Brutishcrab51's bone to pick with SonicGotNuked

[Brutishcrab51]

BYOND Key: Slymantis84.

Staff BYOND Key: SonicGotNuked

Game ID: B3D-amBu

Reason for complaint: I think he gave me an unreasonable one-week department ban. 

Evidence/logs/etc:

(The Diona in-question was a Heister in this round. I and a Detective (Lori Tellows) had been in a firefight with this individual in the main hallways. They wandered into Medical and grabbed an Unathi doctor to hold hostage. We were discussing my misunderstanding as to how that mechanically meant the person was a hostage, insofar as I wasn't aware that anything actually labeled the red-grab as a 'hostage-hold'.)

(In this particular case, we were discussing my response to the flashbang itself. That's why I was banned from Security, "actions not acceptable in driving a narrative". The Diona (Or other raiders in proximity, we weren't fully aware but there was no way to guess either way) killed a Diona Security officer. The nymphs were dead, too, supposedly. They'd grabbed the doctor and held them hostage with a sword, apparently with the sword on the throat. Though, no /me's were done. I was told I should've assumed this from the Neck grab. We'd cornered the Diona immediately after having a firefight with it in Medical, and that was when I threw the flashbang. To take it down, and rescue the hostage. That's apparently the source of this ban, because SonicGotNuked dismissed everything else involved in the round as being "fair".)

(The Diona in question).

(Evidence that we'd been in a firefight immediately prior to him grabbing a hostage.)

(More evidence, because I went back for a better screenshot)

(Evidence that, hey, you know, I waited. Spent a long time watching this while they spoke in LOOC out of respect for the Heister and to avoid rushing him. I'd think that's pretty conducive.)

(The incident in question. Note that the hostage already had nasty burns from being thrown into an electrified door)

Additional remarks: Hey - you know, maybe I was wrong. I was told that I was powergaming, and my note history was full of aggressive Security play. I just don't think that was the case, though. I'd like to keep playing, and I really only play one role when I want to have fun.

[Roostercat]

I was the dead Diona security officer in this round, They had thought I was killed while restrained as the hostage at the time, and the raiders were fairly aggressive, hence the aggression when another hostage was taken. I was watching that as well, and Easter gave a LOT of time for the hostage taker to secure the hostage who was thought to be AFK, rather than just baton rushing. The raider Diona had taken the hostage further into medbay and was threatening to harm them, so I see how a flashbang could be necessary here, as again, they thought I was straight murdered for no particular reason. And had no reason to believe the raider wasn't going to kill the hostage now, as the raiders had been firing at people constantly prior.

[sonicgotnuked]

12 minutes ago, Brutishcrab51 said:

because SonicGotNuked dismissed everything else involved in the round as being "fair"

I decided to keep everything else in mind, but not act upon any of the previous actions during the round because it was extremely convoluted and it wouldn't be fair for you if I decided to rule based on speculation from frustration expressed by other players. You may have been in the wrong regarding interaction prior. It may of been fair. I couldn't get enough details to really understand what was going on before then. I could only act on information gathered because I wasn't actively observing the conflict.

 

17 minutes ago, Brutishcrab51 said:

(The Diona in-question was a Heister in this round. I and a Detective (Lori Tellows) had been in a firefight with this individual in the main hallways. They wandered into Medical and grabbed an Unathi doctor to hold hostage. We were discussing my misunderstanding as to how that mechanically meant the person was a hostage, insofar as I wasn't aware that anything actually labeled the red-grab as a 'hostage-hold'.)

From what I've gathered, the Diona blatantly told that 'they would kill them' if security attempted to do anything. I also previously asked if it was a hostage situation, which was acknowledged to be correct. 

 

Reviewing the information, the hostage did mention for security to back away but sadly it seemed to be too late due to the grenade already being primed. Inside the logs, the Unathi did claim in LOOC they were not AFK as well. While I understand the misunderstanding that may come with the Diona trying to get into tighter spaces, the added detail that I've not gotten during the initial contact and decision process does help Brutish's case in regards to his actions being valid or not. 

 

Thank you for taking the time to screenshot. It gave me a greater context of the round and the situation. I do not think a ban is warranted in this case and I'll go ahead and have the ban removed. I'm sorry for the inconvenience it caused. 

[Brutishcrab51]

It's fine, thank you. This is essentially resolved.

[Cnaym]

 

2 hours ago, Brutishcrab51 said:

It's fine, thank you. This is essentially resolved.

I can close and archive this?

[Brutishcrab51]

Yep. That's fine, this is resolved.