Randy Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) BYOND Key: RandyJones Staff BYOND Key: Shestrying Game ID: b41-alwm Reason for complaint: Banned me for validhunting because I have a warning even though the situation clearly wasent my fault she also kept asking the same question over and over ignoring my answers and just asking the question again All the answers I gave to her in the pms explain the situation and it should have all the relevant details about what happened Edited January 2, 2020 by Randy
Garnascus Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 I do see a fair number of notes/warnings and bans on your ckey. Quote shestrying has banned randyjones. - Reason: Consistant validhunting and lowRP behaviour. You have been in this community long enough to know that this sort of thing is not tolerated. As an officer, ran up to an antag and wordlessly began tasing them, without even saying a word. - This will be removed in 10080 minutes. This is the note for the ban you just received. What is your explanation of these events?
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 i was the antag. i was in maint and i dominated a cadet to walk off quietly so i could eat another officer. i was just chatting with the officer when randy's officer rounded the corner and aimed a taser at me. they didnt say anything at all and even other officers that showed up were confused. they just quietly tased me and I didnt see any dialogue at all. no rp or anything
Randy Posted January 2, 2020 Author Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Garnascus said: I do see a fair number of notes/warnings and bans on your ckey. This is the note for the ban you just received. What is your explanation of these events? 6 hours ago, Marlon Phoenix said: i was the antag. i was in maint and i dominated a cadet to walk off quietly so i could eat another officer. i was just chatting with the officer when randy's officer rounded the corner and aimed a taser at me. they didnt say anything at all and even other officers that showed up were confused. they just quietly tased me and I didnt see any dialogue at all. no rp or anything I was banned because I "wordlessly ran up and shot ruul" What really happened however is that Ruul had a warrent out because he was seen assaulting a cadet who reported "he blacked out" though a witness reported an assault and therefore we were actively hunting him. Coenraad reported the same thing and when i went around the corner and saw them together so i wanted to point my taser at him but the first time i forgot sto switch aiming modes and shot him once after that i aimed my laser at him and he ept moving maybe like 4 or 5 times so he kept getting reflexively shot, if i didint know better it would seen he actually wanted to get shot. So no. I didint just run up and unload, ruul clearly didint want to be aimed at eventhough i had a reason to and during that I clearly couldnt talk to him eventhough every time i tried to talk he moved and got shot so after this happened a few times i understanably thought he didint want to rp the situation so I took him down. Also Shestrying basically asked me the same question 5 times, ignored my answers then banned me because I had notes. So basically I am being banned because ruul didint want to stop moving while being aimed at which is absolute garbage if anything ruuls player should at least get a verbal warning not to move when aimed at but its clearly easier just to ban me for a week because the lore dev didint want to roleplay or at least thats what it feels like to me Edited January 2, 2020 by Randy
Garnascus Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 10 hours ago, Randy said: What really happened however is that Ruul had a warrent out because he was seen assaulting a cadet who reported "he blacked out" though a witness reported an assault and therefore we were actively hunting him. Coenraad reported the same thing and when i went around the corner and saw them together so i wanted to point my taser at him but the first time i forgot sto switch aiming modes and shot him once after that i aimed my laser at him and he ept moving maybe like 4 or 5 times so he kept getting reflexively shot, if i didint know better it would seen he actually wanted to get shot. I am not saying you are lieing i just need to check the logs to verify.In the mean time i will see what olivia has to say here. I will post my thoughts once that is done.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 I have no idea if security was talking about me, from my perspective it came outta nowhere and this was reinforced to me when no one gave me a straight answer as to why i was shot and arrested, it seemed to me like the warden only held me because they assumed you had a good reason
ShesTrying Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 Hi! Apologies for the delay in responses. Notes and warnings lead to bans-- that is how our escalation system works. You walked up to an antag who was chatting with an officer and, instead of taking time to speak to him, immediately began shooting. If it was a mistake, that’s fine, you could have stopped at that point and began speaking. What happened, from the perspective of the people I spoke to, was that you walked in, started shooting, and did not stop. I apologize if it seems I kept asking the same question-- usually I am in 3-4 tickets asking questions at a time, and often times I try to clarify with the original person I bwoinked before continuing on with the supplementary tickets, to ensure I have the right information from all. You have been playing long enough to know that you can allow movement in your aim to speak to someone. You gave no warning or instructions to follow to Ruul before you began shooting. Even in the screenshot you posted, you turned off aim intent, and began firing on him for real, while he was trying to speak to you. I can see he spoke on the radio, and you did as well. You would have had time to talk to him, if you had time to talk on the radio, would you not? You have a history of validhuntey behaviour and have accumulated quite a lot of notes and a warning or two regarding it. Sometimes you need to give someone some time off so that they can come back with a new perspective, and that is what I did. I am sorry if you feel you were in the right in that situation, but I do not agree.
Randy Posted January 3, 2020 Author Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, ShesTrying said: I apologize if it seems I kept asking the same question-- usually I am in 3-4 tickets asking questions at a time, Apology accepted The other stuff you mentioned I already adressed both above and in the pms I sent you during the round
Garnascus Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 The screenshot you provided shows you only aiming at them once and them being shot because of the aim once. The screenshot shows your aim being dropped. On 02/01/2020 at 07:14, Randy said: shot him once after that i aimed my laser at him and he ept moving maybe like 4 or 5 times so he kept getting reflexively shot Your screenshot only lists them being reflexively shot once.
Garnascus Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 Yeah so, a reflexive shot DOES drop the aiming mode @Randy @Marlon Phoenix @ShesTrying I just tested it in game and upon further notice i see TWO reflexive shots from the screenshot. If you are aimed at and you get shot that is 100% your fault. This ban does not seem valid in this case.
Randy Posted January 5, 2020 Author Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) On 04/01/2020 at 06:16, Garnascus said: Yeah so, a reflexive shot DOES drop the aiming mode @Randy @Marlon Phoenix @ShesTrying I just tested it in game and upon further notice i see TWO reflexive shots from the screenshot. If you are aimed at and you get shot that is 100% your fault. This ban does not seem valid in this case. not to be an asshole but a reminder that i am still serving this ban Edited January 5, 2020 by Randy
ShesTrying Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 While I still draw concern from the fact that he did seem to have time to talk on radio, and yet not in person, I wasn't aware that aim was dropped when the target moves-- my unrobustness is showing, I suppose. I agree that the week ban was too long for this, but the history of validhunting and barging in on the situation without a word is still an issue in my mind.
Randy Posted January 5, 2020 Author Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ShesTrying said: While I still draw concern from the fact that he did seem to have time to talk on radio, and yet not in person, I wasn't aware that aim was dropped when the target moves-- my unrobustness is showing, I suppose. I agree that the week ban was too long for this, but the history of validhunting and barging in on the situation without a word is still an issue in my mind. Not really he was being actively hunted for assault warrent and all so my rp was perfect given the situation. If you define this valid hunting then the entirety of sec should get a note And as ive told you maybe 5 or 6 times in the pms I did try to talk to him, i was in to process of talking to him but he kept moving making that impossible Also saying im wrong for taking 4 seconds to call in backup to a suspect who is dangerous is clearly wrong on your part so not only is the ban "too long" as you put it it shouldnt have happened yet somehow ive already served more than half of it because i have a note i got for for a situation totally different to this one In that case you should just ban everyone in the server with a note wholesale and be done with it but that would be unfair Edited January 5, 2020 by Randy
Garnascus Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 Soon as our server comes back i will lift this ban.
Randy Posted January 6, 2020 Author Posted January 6, 2020 9 hours ago, Garnascus said: Soon as our server comes back i will lift this ban. Apreciated
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