Carver Posted January 31, 2020 Posted January 31, 2020 48 minutes ago, GreenBoi said: Aut'akh made the prosthetic 'outsides/skin' themselves, while Eridani only "supplied" the augments through the crashed shuttle. The concept of FBPs existing overall isn't problematic, the issue is just them becoming widespread and marketed. If a person is extreme enough to do that, then that's them and their extremist beliefs; I could totally see a crazy dreg trying to do it and most dregs also not because it barrs them from drugs and shit. I think it'd be too outlandish to be an option for station characters to be them. Aut'akh themselves are a cult, and they have religious "backing" on their things at least- a normal FBP's backing would just be "this is a sure-alternative to cloning" where people can go back and forth in circles talking about if it's really worth living life in a robotic shell where you can't feel naything. Hot take, Aut'akh have no more validity to their reasoning for augmentation than anyone else.
FreshRefreshments Posted January 31, 2020 Posted January 31, 2020 5 hours ago, GreenBoi said: If a person is extreme enough to do that, then that's them and their extremist beliefs; I could totally see a crazy dreg trying to do it and most dregs also not because it barrs them from drugs and shit. Once more, Aut'akh can still take drugs. This is not an argument.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted January 31, 2020 Posted January 31, 2020 The autakh reasons are very valid and rational within the framework of how unathi view the world and their place in it. The same can be said for humans. While we risk flattening interesting cultures by throwing everything into everyones ring we can still explore human augmentation in ways that are internally rational and consistent.
GreenBoi Posted February 4, 2020 Posted February 4, 2020 On 31/01/2020 at 07:54, Carver said: Hot take, Aut'akh have no more validity to their reasoning for augmentation than anyone else. There is a massive difference between purposefully maiming and replacing yourself with metal for a spiritual, cult-like reasoning and doing it just to survive. People of the cult will always give good accounts on what they experience and all that stuff because they believe in it spiritually and it's the lifestyle they see as correct. Normal people may hate and regret this decision, and present this opinion publically. It's a lot harder for something to gain traction when those most obviously under it don't like it or aren't giving great feedback about it. Aut'akh have more 'validity' to their reasoning because they are very extremist with what they do; comparing a literal zealot to your average guy at walmart just won't work- there are different reasonings. FBPs, if anything, would be a marketing strategy.
Zundy Posted February 4, 2020 Posted February 4, 2020 What about human Aut'akhs? What about maimed victims who need FBPs to survive? What about people who just want FBPs (they most certainly would exist)?
GreenBoi Posted February 5, 2020 Posted February 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Zundy said: What about human Aut'akhs? What about maimed victims who need FBPs to survive? What about people who just want FBPs (they most certainly would exist)? Human Aut'akh are still a form of Aut'akh, although rare. Maimed victims usually aren't missing their entire chest and head. This is basically the same as having all four limbs as prosthetic (most organs that matter are in the torso anyways). For the people who want FBPs, you can just go back to any of my previous statements. Those people would definitely exist, but they wouldn't be enough to make it widespread. It's like the field of current-day cryogenics, but more horrific.
Zundy Posted February 5, 2020 Posted February 5, 2020 Oh yeah we're talking about brains-in-jars shells essentially. I was pushing for human augs. I got lost in all the excitement. ☺️
Carver Posted February 5, 2020 Posted February 5, 2020 Either form is completely reasonable for someone to desire, especially due to the physiological advantages presented. Particularly in the cases where it'd keep you alive, whereas cloning does not do so per my previous argument. Whether you're General Grievous with the gutsack or a brain-in-a-body, neither is particularly horrific. Cryonics (The proper name for the field you were attempting to mention, and one which I have looked into quite a few times in the past) is a far different case as it's reliant on the assumption of future medical technologies being able to compensate for the flaws in current medical technologies. Amusingly, per my argument, Aut'akh's reasoning is no more valid. Anyone can claim some cult-ish beliefs for something (Such concepts are not limited to a heretical sub-sect of Unathi religion), and their population is so insignificant that you'd be just as likely if not moreso to encounter more 'extreme' transhumanists. Especially considering the variables in population, and that some cultures more heavily revolve around lighter forms of transhumanism. On an amusing side-note before you bring up the same argument, drugs could easily be delivered to the brain (or other organs if you're an especially suicidal gutsack type) via artificial glands or the other things you'd actually require for a human brain to properly function outside of the body. Numerous tactile sensations could be rather easily replicated with Aurora's known and even common technologies; And as for gustatory sensations, I'm uncertain as very few things in lore quite describe the mimicry of such, nor is there a modern basis for the technology like we have with tactile sensors.
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