[Resolved] Player Complaint Kobi Goldman

[Guest]

BYOND Key: moom241
Game ID:caV-bcEg
Player Byond Key/Character name: Kobi Goldman
Staff involved: MattAtlas
Reason for complaint: Poor command play/self antagging. The captain of this, admittedly dead-hour round, went mad with power when a burglar showed up and stole the disk and other stuff. He ignored the growing threat of a blob consuming the station, even after engineering staff informed him that the blob could not be destroyed. He told engineering to "contain" the blob, and gave no further direction, vehemently refusing to call the emergency shuttle. At some point he acquired a diamond golem as his bodyguard, which he armed with a riot shield and a baton. Over the round he also trapped a librarian and assistant in telecomms, threatened his command staff for trying to get him to call a shuttle, and culminated in having the golem beat the HoP with a stun baton for calling the shuttle while he was chasing after the burglar. There were plenty of others affected by his obsessions with not calling the emergency shuttle and catching one single random event antag. I am also informed the disk was not actually stolen, but the character simply lost it, and then used it as an excuse to act this way. He also carried on him the spare captain's ID, and the antique laser at one point. 
Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? Spoke to MattAtlas. He told me to make a complaint on the forums as it was a very long dead hour round.
Approximate Date/Time: Round started somewhere between 1-2 AM, CST and ended around 7 AM CST. 3/6/2021

[SleepyWolf]

hi

 

to give my own context, as the player of Goldman, there are a few key things

there was no security until the final 30 minutes of the round.

the burglar had robbed Goldman right in front of him, then aimed a weapon at him and skedaddled away.

it was a 6 hour round, and not only that, it was Code Green the whole time - with crew voting to continue with a    1/5    or   1/3    split every time there was a vote.

and a small ooc note: i did not know blobs grew infinitely, so when i told engineering to just seal it off, i was thinking i knew they could.

this is my first time in a year or two on the actual named Captain role, but not my first time AS ccaptain at all. i play interim captain constantly on my other Gold boy, Cap'n (C.E.) Goldhorn.

 

SO. with that small bit of context. I will just run through what Goldman and I did.

Captain Goldman spent the first 2 hours doing nothing except small RP with 5 crew - literally all there was for that time. delegating crew around to fix, check, or build things. then, Kane the Roboticist finds a Diamond Golem, and we talk about it in the captains office. Goldman wants it destroyed for its Diamond material, which in roleplay Goldman sees as the finest and largest diamonds he's ever seen. the diamond golem SPECIFICALLY asked to see the captain as its master, so Kane brought it in. Goldman delegates Kane to 'harvest' the thing, and he begins the plan to do it begrudgingly.

To prep the labs, Goldman goes to science - and is held at gunpoint by a burglar stealing gold! There's tension, they talk for a second, tiny insults are given, he jumps away.

This gives an excuse for the Golem to NOT be harvested for its materials. Because there is NO security, this makes perfect sense for the moment, and even the burglar heard about the plans for it to be executed for materials. Goldman begrudgingly takes the golem, named "Statue", to be given a stunbaton and a shield - because, yes, it needs a weapon to catch a criminal.

There was NO blob yet, at least it wasn't on Goldman's radar. Goldman goes to try to make an announcement, raise the code - and the network that runs all the computers is down. Goldman deputizes the only person he thinks is capable of fixing it, Phuan Van Dao the 'librarian' (tech support) - to get into the telecomms area and fix it. Dao and her diona stay in there for however long, I did forget them there because there was a Mutiny at some point.

ANYWAYS. Continuing, the situation with the blob starts and gets worse, an Engineer dies at some point, Goldman just tells engineering to block off the blob with walls to stop it from expanding. Goldman largely ignores the blob because engineering is SUPPOSED to be on it, in his mind, they can handle it. He goes back to the bridge with Diamond Bodyguard and sees Chauncey dead. Dao the Tech Support has turned on the network so Goldman makes an announcement and raises to blue. With Chauncey dead, Goldman keeps the spare ID in a locker and the auth disk on him - but leaves the auth disk in a secure briefcase that he sets down for a moment. When he comes back at most 3 minutes later, it's missing. This is a HUGE reason why the shuttle isn't called. To Goldman, now the Burglar has the BIGGEST thing he needs to keep safe, and he's not going to be the captain that lost that disk.

So for the COMPANY and for SELFISH, IC reasons, Goldman does NOT call the shuttle. (Whole time, everyone keeps voting to continue the round) After that, the HoP that arrives JUST THEN calls the shuttle, with the agreement of the CMO. Goldman sees it as mutiny, because they are refusing to accept that there is something bigger than them at risk here - or they are accepting it, and risking it for their crew.

 

OKAY

 

I also want to add : Goldman is there to show how absolutely 'Good' aligned the other crew are. Goldman is Lawful Evil - Corporate first, greater good first, Crew be damned. Obviously I wasn't throwing away lives, I was just trying to be a driving captain that has loftier goals than JUST caring about the crew. We're a CORPORATE CONGLOMERATE.

 

I also want you to know none of this is supposed to be aggressively worded, it's just me writing in the style of how Goldman thinks, which is controlling and demanding. Some people were ICly not told specific information because of how vital things are: for example, the Authorization Disk that was lost. This is because it's the Auth Disk and shouldn't have gotten lost in the first place.

 

OK, I don't know why i always end up writing on this FUCKING forum as i'm nearing hour 20-24 of a day. it's like it calls to me ONLY at these times. wild.

[SleepyWolf]

 

bonus addition: Goldman caught the burglar, remained on the blob-infested station with his diamond shiny golem. AND got the disk back!

Edited March 6, 2021 by SleepyWolf
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[Guest]

I've slept on it, and I'm honestly not fussed with most of it anymore. I think most of this could have been an IR, but as my character died that round, I can't do that. My biggest issue was the brutalizing of the HoP, which is half on the golem I think.

[Faris]

@MattAtlas and I will look into it.

[Tomixcomics]

Okay, here's my two cents, as the person playing Mako, the CMO during that shift.

1. The fact you wanted to destroy the Golem is already a bit iffy because, because while I understand and can accept the IC logic of wanting to harvest the biggest diamond you've ever seen, especially as a lawful evil character - OOCly That is still another player character, and as neither of you are antags or hurting the station, it typically shouldn't be your goal to take out other player characters from the round. Removing a player from the round doesn't promote RP, it removes it. Especially in an already low-pop round. A better way to handle that might've been to make the decision that at the end of the shift it would be smelted down or something.
That was the first thing that made me think you might be an antag. The fact you also made it another crew member's direct order to perform this killing, which they did not want to do, in what could've ended up being a canon extended round, was another.

2. Just to give some context to how it happened - The idea to make the Golem the captain's bodyguard was my idea, because I walked into science, saw you have a gun pointed at you and figured "hey, you know what's stronger than a bullet? diamonds. And you know what's made of diamond and needs to prove it's usefulness to the captain to avoid being destroyed? The golem" so I called it over in a hurry and told it to guard the captain.

3. You say "Goldman just tells engineering to block off the blob with walls to stop it from expanding. Goldman largely ignores the blob because engineering is SUPPOSED to be on it, in his mind, they can handle it." - Both Mako and Engineering have repeatedly told Goldman that this will not work and that blobs eat walls. Mako even compared it to holding acid in a paper cup. To which Goldman replied "Then make the cup out of metal!", to which, I think Mako responded "Blobs eat metal!". Any time he was asked HOW they are supposed to hold it when blobs eat walls, there was radio silence.
He also mentioned on at least one or two occasions that he is the only person working Medbay and he can't keep up with the influx of patients coming in and urging him to reconsider because he wouldn't be able to keep patching them up if another person came in while he was treating someone else. He also mentioned to Goldman that any time the engineers or the security officer that eventually showed up - are in medbay getting surgery - that's time that the blob is growing without these people fighting it. And therefore, the fact that they are eventually getting patched up does not mean the situation is under control.

4. I don't want to attack Goldman too hard, I will say this - I fully agree with his motive that some things are more important than the station. This is why it took Mako a long time to agree with the HoP's request to ignore the Captain's orders and declare him unfit, and he tried to convince him with words or understand what is happening. Mako agreed that if the disk contained information that is immensely deadly and widely dangerous- it should not be allowed to get out of the station by any means. 
The issue is this: Mako, on several occasions, asked the captain how delaying the evacuation was supposed to help us obtain the disk, and was met with no response.
People were dying from a blob that was inching towards the engine (which the Captain was made aware of), Medbay was one person working at capacity, and Goldman didn't want to call for an ERT because he didn't want to involve outside sources.
In general, the captain was not very communicative with the rest of command staff and only mentioned that an important disk was stolen after the HoP was already trying to declare him unfit for service.
If he had actually given a decent enough reason as to how having innocent crew members not evacuate an exploding station with ONE sec member on board and a golem - was supposed to help retrieve something from a burglar who, for all anyone knew - could've flown off ages ago - was supposed to help RECOVER this theft, he would not have been mutinied. 

But Goldman wasn't explaining his logic to anyone, he was ignoring most things he was being asked, not filling anyone in on what was happening, not asking anyone who could actually help for help, etc.

I don't feel like there should be actions taken against the player OOCly - it was just a round, and an interesting one at that, and he acted how he saw was right. The only thing I'd argue was iffy OOCly is trying to destroy the golem.
I would argue that ICly - Goldman did not behave the way a captain should and some things should be changed about the way he acts if similar situations pop up again. Lawful evil or not - if the entire station is telling you "we can't contain the emergencies", repeatedly telling them "contain the emergencies!" without elaborating on how is not very captainly.

Edited March 8, 2021 by Tomixcomics

[Faris]

@SleepyWolf 

Did you try to use your pinpointer for the disk?

[SleepyWolf]

@Aboshedab a security officer arrived somewhere in the chaos and i gave him the pinpointer, told him to find the disk.

[Faris]

@MattAtlas and I went over the complaint and have a verdict that no administrative action will be done to @SleepyWolf. We'll address some of the issues listed. 

 

1- The disk to a Captain is one the most important item if not the most important item. It gives access to a nuclear device on the station which could very well destroy everyone or something else. The Captain can look at this from different angles like trying to save lives, the station, their career and so on. So it's reasonable to not call an emergency shuttle to attempt to salvage the situation. In the other end, since other command staff do not understand why it is so vital, it is reasonable for them to remove the captain from a position of power and try to leave. So here we have a clash between two groups on this station, a power struggle, which is fine and justified. 

2- From what I can see, the station was elevated to code blue, if the players and observes had wanted to leave, they would've needed 1 vote more than those that wanted to stay putting aside the time frame of the second hour mark to the third hour mark. 

3- Death and injury is part of the round, they don't remove from the round. The golem can be treated any number of way be it with awe, dislike, indifference. They're a step below the standard human but a step above maintenance drones and rats. If science or command wants to experiment and harvest a golem, then it's fine, that is their purpose.

4- It seems like Goldman was trying too coordinate and communicate with people, while it may not have been ideal for everyone, I did see a lot of personal interaction on their part. Given how hectic this round is, we think it was fine. The player does not seem to exhibit a history of lack of communication either. 

Locking and archiving in 24 hours.

[Faris]

Locking and archiving.