Joel Carter's Worst Nightmare (PTiberiusM Command App)

[PTiberiusM]

BYOND key: PTiberiusM

Discord Username: PTiberiusM#3335

Character names:

Primary:
Joel Carter - Shaft Miner - The star of this application
Chad Zisa - HyBROponticist
Conner Mab - Physician
Robert Barcus - Pharmacist
Gregor Simali - Scientist

Secondary:
Alfred Siegrist - Engineer
Pablo Chavez - Security Officer
Cameron Triton - Bartender

Characters I want to re-work before bringing to the Horizon:
Cynthia Megaclite - former Robotics
Alexei Zadovsky - former Toxins Researcher
 

How long have you been playing on Aurora?:
November, 2019

Have you received any administrative actions? And how serious were they?
None.

Please provide well articulated answers to the following questions in a paragraph each.
What do you think the OOC purpose of a Head of Staff is, ingame?:
Roleplay is best when is has a plot and all plots require conflict. Heads can both increase and decrease the amount of conflict in a round to encourage roleplay. Conflict is not always violence and explosions. Sometimes its imposing paperwork on the crew or letting someone get away with something "just this once". Heads can serve as the example of model employees or the degenerate bosses the employees love to hate. Simply put, they are an example and a motivator of good roleplay.

What do you think the OOC responsibilities of Whitelisted players are to other players, and how would you strive to uphold them?:
The game doesn't teach you how to play it on its own. If you want to learn to play, you need other players to help show you the rope. Whitelisted people should be encouraging people to grow develop, improve, and enjoy the game more. Don't be a buzzkill and motivate the fun of Aurora.

Could you give us the gist of what is currently happening in Tau Ceti and how it affected your character and their career?
This application is primarily for Joel Carter, the no-nonsense Shaft Miner, so I will tell it from his perspective.

As a Hepht contractor on the Aurora, his job was to find and mine resources for the station, including phoron. With the rapid depletion of phoron resources in Republic space, and the chance to keep smashing rocks for a payday, Joel signed on to the Horizon where his skills could be best put to use. Joel used to live aboard a Hepht barracks ship in orbit of Biesel when he wasn't on shifts on the Aurora, so his new living accommodations aboard the Horizon aren't bothering him. He keeps putting in solid shifts, cares for his fellow miners and other Operations team members, and is committed to do his job well to make his creds.

What roles do you plan on playing after the application is accepted?
Joel Carter is going to experience the one thing he never wanted to have again: Responsibility. After reliably and productively working for Hepht, he is going to be given an involuntary promotion to Operations Manager. Tasked to help improve other miners and technicians, Joel is going to have to swap his EVA suit for a standard suit. The bump in pay is nice, but now he is burdened with the responsibility of making sure his team lives up to his safety and productivity standards.

Have you familiarized yourself with the wiki pages for the command roles?
I have!

Characters you intend to use for command or have created for command. Include the job they will be taking.:
Joel Carter already exists. If approved, he will be promoted to Operations Manager.

Do you understand your whitelist is not permanent, and may be stripped following continuous administrative action?
I do.

Have you linked your byond account to the forums?
Yes.

Extra notes:
I might want to make other Command characters, but right now I am only interested in Operations Manager. I think any other Command roles would be for new characters.

Chad is just too dumb to get promoted

[MattAtlas]

Have you tried getting feedback?

[PTiberiusM]

6 hours ago, MattAtlas said:

Have you tried getting feedback?

Yeah, it's just hard to get feedback as a miner. I typically only have one other person to RP with. :(

[MattAtlas]

26 minutes ago, PTiberiusM said:

Yeah, it's just hard to get feedback as a miner. I typically only have one other person to RP with.

Some roles are like that unfortunately. I'd suggest playing another role before putting up this kind of application.

[PTiberiusM]

Yeah, I just been playing Joel as much as possible since I put this up in the hopes that people would get to interact with him, as he's the character I would plan on playing as a Command Role.

[LordPwner]

Joel has been an interesting character to watch- I've had the pleasure of RP'ing with them a few times- and I remember some of their older characters. I think they can handle it honestly +1 - I want to see Joel suffer with a paperwork focused job.

[Mr. Teatime]

Interaction with Joel is kinda limited but from what I've gathered they do the mining good and never come into medbay with their lungs exploded. Barcus I see more often and is fun to write with. I get the impression they have a good idea of how Ops works and what to do as well. You'll get a +1 from me!

[Sneakyranger]

I've looked over this app a couple times with nothing to say since I hadn't seen any of the characters, but now that I have, I can say for sure a few things:
One, this application has my support since he's going for operations manager specifically and other head characters are for a future thing.
Two, I feel like Tiberius is trustworthy enough to not play a head of staff roles he doesn't know enough about,
Based on:
Seeing a good RP conversation between him and Athos this morning.
Seeing him work well during a merc round.
As a note, however, I specified point two because I don't think he's ready purely on game-knowledge to play some other roles like Chief Engineer. He's not far off, but a little bit more experiences is for sure required for those. This application is for OM, though, and like I said: see point two.
So, +1.

[MattAtlas]

On trial until 16JUL2022.

[Dreamix]

Just played as my orange skrell XO, with Joel Carter as OM, on an extended round.

Joel was alright, helpful, talkative, interacted with me, other command member, as well as the crew. Even resolved some issue or disagreements with his machinists.

+1 for okay command play
(but also -1 for negative drip. Change up the hair, please, I hate it)

 

edit: Now played another one, and the same applies as above. Carter is fine, though he got negative drip. Arranged with other command an expedition, prepared the miner(s), etc.

Edited July 11, 2022 by Dreamix

[Predicament]

Joel's an enjoyable personality to be around, although a bit reserved at least while I played with them. Also, I think they're quite drippy, Dreamix 😠

+1, but I do wish they were a little bit more interactive with everybody/more people.

Edited July 11, 2022 by Predicament

[Carver]

Carter was quite communicative and helpful, helped keep me up to date over the Command channel and assisted well with announcements and faxes. Kept from panicking in a tense situation, too. Often saw him walking about, socializing with the greater crew.

+1 if he cuts the hair.

[LordPwner]

Now- I late joined this round, so I don't have the total context for this round fully. These are more so questions based on things I observed Joel doing. The round in question is ciR-aBGM A technomacer round. Literally just happened so it should be fresh in people's minds. Once again, isn't an attack, but as someone who wants to play Command, it's good to look at the thought process at arguably questionable actions.

The Technomancer was:
Witness Of The End Of Eternity as a Technomancer (survived)
Bought Gambit, Instability Tap, Mark, Recall, Passwall, Destabilize, Abjuration, Apportation, Audible Deception, Illusion, Chroma, Condensation, Shared Burden, Haste and Radiance, and used an unstable core.

 

So- 

1) why did Carter as Operations Manager/Miner put himself near as everyone described as a basically a massive bomb that Arche was trying to remove? Scientist- make sense, they are subject matter experts in all things bluespacey/strange

2) Why was he ordering security with Reed standing less than four tiles away from him? Why did Joel not let the HoS handle his department? (This is an OOC question as much as an IC one, since Reed could have been typing orders to them)

3) Why did Joel go with security up to the pool with Carmine and the bomb again? Security had been updated in front of Joel on their location- (I believe Joel also updated them, unsure if he said it on radio) so why did he once again put himself in a by far more dangerous situation then the first question, since even as Joel said, trying to destroy it might cause it to explode. 

 

Since I never like putting people on the edge of judgement without explaining myself as an act of good faith:

1) Zane was gearing to assist to Arche in suit removal, whatever capacity that could be- Seeing as that she seemed to be struggling- Which tbh I would have too lol

2) Zane refused to take any charge of medical, since no information, but asked for info from his department- got a kind of a half-reply. Which is why he asked allowed to the ever growing crowd of people outside the OR, Two scientist, a Detective, and an officer

3) Zane did not respond to the pool since going to a place with something that can explode can be harmful- They had a first responder if any wounded came about

[spoiler]

Now to answer the concerns as to why I am writing this, asking you Chadster is ever since I was whitelisted for Uriel to be HoP and later moved him to Captain Most Useless man in the seven sectors, I've had to ask these questions every round. Why would I as this command member do X- As command, we set a sort of precedent on the level of HRP that others should be looking towards, and not to save every whitelist holder is a better RP'er than those without and vise versa. Just that people who have whitelist have shown to have met certain qualifications and standards in terms of roleplay, antag involvement, and how they interact within the round. Bitching that security isn't doing their job to their HoS or just in public because it's actually insane what they're doing? Thumbs up, all day every day, make 'em regret playing Red Department. Ordering Officers around when they already have a superior and your character has no experience in their line of work- A little yikes imho

Now some of this as an issue falls on the general players forcing themselves into the interaction because it's fun for them as characters and roles that have 0 business in that interaction. I get it, antag make story, RP go brr. It's just all something to keep in mind and I'm really excited to hear your answers to my questions and I do hope you keep the whitelist, I actually really enjoy Joel as a character and I want to see what else you do with 'em!

[/spoiler]

tl;dr Try to think about a character in your chosen position, authority, and experience would do- Deferring to other Heads of Staff is sometimes the best sign of an RP'er, a person willing to step back and just let ones in those roles handle their situations.

Also call Zane Doctor smh smh first naming a Doctor, -1

[PTiberiusM]

8 hours ago, LordPwner said:

1) why did Carter as Operations Manager/Miner put himself near as everyone described as a basically a massive bomb that Arche was trying to remove? Scientist- make sense, they are subject matter experts in all things bluespacey/strange

2) Why was he ordering security with Reed standing less than four tiles away from him? Why did Joel not let the HoS handle his department? (This is an OOC question as much as an IC one, since Reed could have been typing orders to them)

3) Why did Joel go with security up to the pool with Carmine and the bomb again? Security had been updated in front of Joel on their location- (I believe Joel also updated them, unsure if he said it on radio) so why did he once again put himself in a by far more dangerous situation then the first question, since even as Joel said, trying to destroy it might cause it to explode.

Thanks for the feedback! Just to answer some of the questions:
 

1. Joel had been having the engineer and operations transfer the phoron from Secure Storage to the engineering Hard Storage while being in communication with Reed (the HoS). The plan Joel and Reed had come up with was to extract the "Shard of Glorsh" from the Diona and put it into storage as far away from the AI core as we could. As we had an active AI, can't let it get corrupted, etc. etc. Joel ended up in medical because it had been a while since he had heard about the update on the extraction, and was delaying updating CENTCOM with a situation report until we had an outcome of it. Time was short, needed to see it himself.
    
2. So, that was after everyone in the room had a huge discussion about what to do with the now extremely unstable "Shard of Glorsh". We had a Skrell demanding immediate destruction, others wanting to store it, throw it into space. Joel and Reed were talking about what can we do with this thing. Joel pitched to Reed that we can't try to destroy it without risking it destroying the Horizon, and throwing it into space would just make the same problem we had now (Supposedly the Diona had been impacted by the "Shard" while drifting in space). So Joel pitches to Reed that we have to stick to the plan and store it. Reed then tells Joel (paraphrase, can't remember the exact words), "Convince them of that". Time for the OM to be the "Command of The People" and talk them into rational action. It works, and people agree to store it, likely till we can have the Federation come and turbo murder it for us! And the Diona and the scientist had escaped with the core while that conversation was going on! DRAT! So, once everyone, literally everyone in the room goes "Hey, where did they go?" Joel is at his wits end. He snaps, demands they get into action and find that dangerous object! He, yeah, steps on some toes. Tells the security officers to start moving, he tells medical to get him sensor locations. He jumped into commanding leadership. It was a time of action, and Joel demanded action.
   
   OOC: We are on like less than 2 minutes till Bluespace jump. Which means less than 4 minutes till round end. We need a conclusion. Did we find it? Did it destroy us all? Did the scientist betray us? However it was going to shake out, it needed to shake out.
    
3. Yeah, Joel is the one who told security where to go. The same security that let the "Shard of Glorsh" slip away right in front of them just moments before. Joel, as a character, is not security, but he does care greatly about the life and safety of the crew. If he needed to personally be lit on fire and carry it into Secure Storage himself to keep the crew safe, he would. This device had, in the round, been established to be something which if let to escape and grow could end entire civilizations. Joel makes his miners tell him in person, face-to-face that they have all their mining equipment and safety gear. He isn't going to let people die if he can stop it. So why did Joel do it? Because he has to. Too many slips, too much danger. Sometimes you gotta handle it yourself if it comes to it. And, he also didn't take the lead once at the pool. He let the security team, especially the investigator, try to talk the scientist down. Once Joel was there and saw security doing their thing, he became just another of the crowd of voices begging the scientist to do the right thing.
   
   IC: Joel needs to see the right thing done, but he doesn't have to be the person to do it if he can see it being done. OOC: Yo, the round might end with the ship exploding, you telling me you don't want to be at ground zero?

[RisingValiant]

Issued the first commendation I've ever witnessed, generally worked towards keeping the crew informed and the ship calm, was proactive in informing medical of possible injuries, which is rare and very very appreciated. Overall a +1 from me

[LordPwner]

14 hours ago, PTiberiusM said:

Thanks for the feedback! Just to answer some of the questions:
 

1. Joel had been having the engineer and operations transfer the phoron from Secure Storage to the engineering Hard Storage while being in communication with Reed (the HoS). The plan Joel and Reed had come up with was to extract the "Shard of Glorsh" from the Diona and put it into storage as far away from the AI core as we could. As we had an active AI, can't let it get corrupted, etc. etc. Joel ended up in medical because it had been a while since he had heard about the update on the extraction, and was delaying updating CENTCOM with a situation report until we had an outcome of it. Time was short, needed to see it himself.
    
2. So, that was after everyone in the room had a huge discussion about what to do with the now extremely unstable "Shard of Glorsh". We had a Skrell demanding immediate destruction, others wanting to store it, throw it into space. Joel and Reed were talking about what can we do with this thing. Joel pitched to Reed that we can't try to destroy it without risking it destroying the Horizon, and throwing it into space would just make the same problem we had now (Supposedly the Diona had been impacted by the "Shard" while drifting in space). So Joel pitches to Reed that we have to stick to the plan and store it. Reed then tells Joel (paraphrase, can't remember the exact words), "Convince them of that". Time for the OM to be the "Command of The People" and talk them into rational action. It works, and people agree to store it, likely till we can have the Federation come and turbo murder it for us! And the Diona and the scientist had escaped with the core while that conversation was going on! DRAT! So, once everyone, literally everyone in the room goes "Hey, where did they go?" Joel is at his wits end. He snaps, demands they get into action and find that dangerous object! He, yeah, steps on some toes. Tells the security officers to start moving, he tells medical to get him sensor locations. He jumped into commanding leadership. It was a time of action, and Joel demanded action.
   
   OOC: We are on like less than 2 minutes till Bluespace jump. Which means less than 4 minutes till round end. We need a conclusion. Did we find it? Did it destroy us all? Did the scientist betray us? However it was going to shake out, it needed to shake out.
    
3. Yeah, Joel is the one who told security where to go. The same security that let the "Shard of Glorsh" slip away right in front of them just moments before. Joel, as a character, is not security, but he does care greatly about the life and safety of the crew. If he needed to personally be lit on fire and carry it into Secure Storage himself to keep the crew safe, he would. This device had, in the round, been established to be something which if let to escape and grow could end entire civilizations. Joel makes his miners tell him in person, face-to-face that they have all their mining equipment and safety gear. He isn't going to let people die if he can stop it. So why did Joel do it? Because he has to. Too many slips, too much danger. Sometimes you gotta handle it yourself if it comes to it. And, he also didn't take the lead once at the pool. He let the security team, especially the investigator, try to talk the scientist down. Once Joel was there and saw security doing their thing, he became just another of the crowd of voices begging the scientist to do the right thing.
   
   IC: Joel needs to see the right thing done, but he doesn't have to be the person to do it if he can see it being done. OOC: Yo, the round might end with the ship exploding, you telling me you don't want to be at ground zero?

So I don't know how spoiler works- RIP didn't bother to check.

 

These are the answers I wanted- Stepping on toes is 100% fine. Just wanted to play a bit of Devil's big word here with you to see how you'd respond. Joel is an Operations Manager now, no changing it.

[Predicament]

On 10/07/2022 at 20:27, Predicament said:

Joel's an enjoyable personality to be around, although a bit reserved at least while I played with them. Also, I think they're quite drippy, Dreamix 😠

+1, but I do wish they were a little bit more interactive with everybody/more people.

Updating my feedback; after playing a round with a lot of new players involved, I would like to add that with Joel having been the only command member on manifest, I wish I saw them spend more time interacting with the assistants & engineering apprentices so that they can learn their way around. I recall one of them trying to reach out to him, but they were then never responded to, eventually leaving altogether.

Additionally, Joel should try to be a little more communicative and flexible with certain things- noting that Joel has been seen making instructions, without seeking advice or further relevant information, that do not fit with certain situations and shows a lack of understanding of other departments. (i.e., attempting to order the AI to set up the engine.)

As the round progressed, Joel had an inexperienced engineering apprentice set up the engine, resulting in a delamination, and from then on was unable to handle the chaos that ensued with multiple assistants and new players running around, and did not respond efficiently to crew attempting to help him (if responding at all), as well as shutting down most, if not all ideas from other crew members, likely just due to being too overwhelmed.

Not a -1, definitely was a chaotic and overwhelming shift, but Joel will probably need to work on these things in order to handle manning a round as command.

Edited July 13, 2022 by Predicament

[MattAtlas]

I think your roleplay needs some work. Joel does not seem to be a particularly developed character from the cursory interactions I've had with them, and I have seen some questionable handling of some situations. However, I think you have potential, so I'll be accepting this application.

You should work mainly on getting a better understanding of other departments, branching out in your characters (specifically, I would like to see you play a head of staff that is not a continuation of your current character, and to use more exotic planets from human lore -- think New Hai Phong, Gadpathur, Dominia and so on) and your roleplay in general, in the future.