Staff complaint - WickedCybs

[kyres1]

BYOND Key: kyres1
Staff Byond Key/Character name: WickedCybs
Reason for complaint:

Very demeaning behavior directed at me with reasoning that yet confounds me. The substance this complaint is directed towards is the entire content of a previous forum thread wherein I was the subject of Cyb's complaint. For complete transparency, I am not contesting the result of the complaint, or anything related to the staff side of how it was handled whatsoever. The intent here is to basically seek repercussions for, in my opinion, awful behavior demonstrated by Cybs (as both a moderator and a player) in that complaint.

My responses to the conduct in the thread itself were pretty clear in that I wanted reasoning to back up any of the claims leveraged against me, a few of which did not pertain to the complaint whatsoever and felt like they were dug up for no other reason than to cause harm and be difficult. In response, I didn't get any reasoning for anything.

What I effectively got was more sidetracking, spiraling the public complaint into a dismissal of my personal integrity. For, yet again, a reason I don't know.

In the thread I defended against a lot of accusations and saw myself on the end of pretty heinous insults that, for a player, would go above and beyond what is "normally allowed" to be said in player complaints. This isn't to say some stupid bias is in play. This is instead me saying that I expect more from Cybs than to end up acting like this in the first place, not as a player but as a moderator.

The previous thread is going to be read either way, but to solidify what I feel is wrong here, I'll run over what I had against me and explain why I think Cybs is at fault for behaving in such a way.

1. Most importantly, something I am very fixated on is the accusations of paranoia. I asked twice, once in giant colored text, and this is my third time asking - yet again in colored text. Exactly what does Cybs have to offer to make any implication that I am paranoid? This is discarding the fact that it is plainly a direct insult to call someone paranoid, and sets me up to be called crazy if I intend to make assumptions of my own or even speculate on certain comments. This is insidious and makes me feel like shit that I've been in this community for this long and I'd get called crazy in any context.

To specifically target the accusation in question,

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"You've been projecting some intense paranoia on your colleagues and the players."

It should go without saying that, to the best of my knowledge, I've never worked on an immediate team with Cybs of any sort. I don't think they necessarily refer to any one of my four or five tenures, but to say we were colleagues in any circumstance is a lie. I have not once shared lore with them, nor development for any amount of time, and they lack any access to the official channels of either as a moderator. "The players" is even more confusing, because I do not know where exactly I have broadcasted any of my feelings about this in any sort of public circumstance. I especially have broadcasted none in private to Cybs themselves.

2. The immediate jump and implication that we were or have ever been friends was, in my opinion, entirely just used as leverage to further vilify me. The process of this effectively went down as claiming we were once friends (which is reaching at best and a lie at worst), then giving them the opportunity to double down and say I totally unpredictably disrespected them and I've disappointed them for it. This is, mind you, in response to me defending myself over a complaint targeting me. The excuses used were meant to indicate that I am "making it about me," when the entire premise of the complaint was about defacing me.

This is a level of dishonesty and manipulation that greatly, greatly pisses me off ; not necessarily because I feel I've lost a friend, or that I distrust Cybs more or less for it. Instead, I am pissed because Cybs has gone on a tirade about this as a moderator to place me in a position where people would be wrong to not distrust me. This is a community I have a very long history with. I have a lot of time spent here and I've met potentially hundreds of people. I would need to be clueless not to see someone calling me a treacherous liar as something that could screw me over in the long run.

3. Claimed to (up until the complaint's closure) have a bag of shit to drop on me from nondescript people in nondescript circumstances.

The two key quotes on this are,

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"I do know others who have seen this behavior, and I will ask them to post if it'd be useful and not turn this into a "he said she said" situation."

and -

"I'm not going to post a highlight reel of quotes from random people affirming what I'm saying if that's what you mean. I know who to ask to post here if it becomes relevant to do so."

I do not like this. Nobody would like being told there are people who actively withhold a slew of damning information about you. I am well aware there are people who regularly burn other people's names with zero repercussions. That's the nature of the internet, and is nothing we as a community can prevent in the end. There is nothing these endless complaints can amount to if they don't present themselves in the official circumstances to begin with.

If there are truly so many people who paint themselves out as my #1 haters, then it's a hilarious coincidence I haven't heard a solemn thing from anybody or any group on the matter, for anything, especially the conduct outlined in the complaint. The point here being ; I don't care how many people you have to stir shit about me or who have damning evidence regarding me. If they had damning evidence, they'd send it. They lose absolutely nothing by telling staff privately about my wrongdoings, and I'd argue they lose nothing by just telling me myself. This leads me to say that I don't think Cybs, as a moderator or a player, brought up this particular information without knowing full well it was redundant at best and trying to set me up to stir shit at worst.

Evidence/logs/etc:

There is no external sources for "evidence" besides the material within this thread. Which, is the first time I've ever had this sort of experience with Cybs, meaning that I don't intend to pursue it further if their conduct was deemed appropriate. 

 

Additional remarks The previous complaint was handled by @ReadThisNamePlz and @Alberyk

 

 

 

[WickedCybs]

This is largely the same posturing Kyres has done since their first post in my complaint, so I will not rehash it with another back and forth. That only led to Kyres misconstruing, maybe on purpose, what I was saying and taking the conversation into wildly irrelevant directions. I will just respond to any questions. I'd say what I've said in that linked thread still applies here as well so that can be mentioned.

The resolution of the complaint was fine to me, so that's all I can say on that front too.

[Melariara]

@kermitand I will handle this. Apologies its sat here for some time. Give us a bit to go through it then we'll get back to you.

[WickedCybs]

7 hours ago, Melariara said:

@kermitand I will handle this. Apologies its sat here for some time. Give us a bit to go through it then we'll get back to you.

I kind of forgot about this due to how much time has passed. Now that I've been reminded though and since it's actually being looked into now, I reexamined the situation. Not much has changed, though I would like an examination of Kyres's own behavior now as a staff member to be looked over rather than me needing to make a separate complaint on that too, because I don't think lore staff should be behaving the way they did. With that in mind, I do have more to say.

In particular I'd like the third point Kyres raised to be looked into in that regard because it kind of links to everything else. The whole "Claimed to (up until the complaint's closure) have a bag of shit to drop on me from nondescript people in nondescript circumstances." or that I'm gathering a squadron of people that "paint themselves as my (Kyres's) number one haters" and trying to stir shit up among people who know Kyres among other things. As soon as I even mentioned I'd like to see if anyone else could comment, Kyres was immediately lashing out and fixating on it in particular. While on the initial complaint you can already see my thoughts in that regard I will just say again, it wasn't exactly a major point or something this complaint hinged on, but I did think it might be useful to just... ask those who have been present when I've had to deal with them, others and Kyres to affirm something? Kyres isn't really hearing about me getting the avengers together because I don't really care to slander or badmouth people to others and they likely still haven't heard of any real campaign to get people to start hating them or whatever. Most of us are adults and can come to our own conclusions. I'm never going to tell someone to not talk to a dude just because I have issues with them.

It makes it hard to respond to these mentioned scenarios where I allegedly want the complaint to be a circus, a dogpile or that I wanted it public in an attempt to ruin a reputation rather than just being the usual complaint anyone can see like any other minus the confidential complaints. I'm unjustly shutting down a dchat conversation and bulldozing my way in and holding my "position" over people in a "debate" by saying "Hey, please ahelp so we can handle stuff rather than complain about sec/antags here, thank you." as if that's unreasonable for me to even say. They've said worse about me even in the first post they made that concluded in what I'd call the faux apology, but I'm not really going to stretch it and go as far to say this was a deliberate and heinous effort to lower my standing in a community I've been in for a few years because the fourms aren't exactly the place to go if you want to be heard or seen. Nonetheless it does turn complaints into the self fulfilling prophesy Kyres mentioned. Rather than just taking it as it is it turns into "Why did you make this public" and devolves from there because the issue is that I even made it to begin with rather than going about it exactly how they wanted it.

It's not uncommon for someone to lie or assume something about us that isn't really right. We can't always mollify people though. It is just really paranoia that leads to stuff like worrying staff are specifically out to get you, colluding in msay or thinking we're putting you on our shit list if we see we've been ahelped just to name a few examples like that which aren't uncommon thoughts I think. Would be far too much time and effort even if I wanted to pursue a grudge if I had one and it can probably be seen even after multiple complaints made by me or focusing on my actions as staff that I don't try to get retribution.

[kermit]

This complaint took a little while to slog through -- there was a lot to break down and process.

Mel and I repeatedly came to the same conclusion which was that the original staff complaint was quite overblown by a series of inflammatory remarks on Cybs' end which only served to foster a hostile environment. Calling other players within the community 'paranoid' is unacceptable, this shouldn't have to be said. As a result of the tone that was set, a large back-and-fourth went on that wholly deviated from the aim of the complaint which was centred around a Deadchat interaction. Mel and I approached you both in DMs about this and the appropriate action was taken. This covers the first point outlined above.

Regarding the second point, we're not going to make assumptions about whether or whether not there was malice in Cybs bringing up friendships. Neither me or Mel believe Cybs was setting out to villify you, though it can be argued that friendships didn't need to be mentioned at all in the staff complaint as it deviated from what the original complaint was about.

Regarding point three outlined above, there isn't anything inherently wrong about Cybs' saying they have other witnesses/whatever to bring into the complaint.

All that's left to say is, when opening complaints, is to leave any frustration at the door and and stick to the subject of the complaint. Digging into past, unreported issues often leads to rocky complaints; issues should be reported as they come up and isolated from other complaints instead of being held in-reserve, ideally.

We'll keep this open for 24 hours more, then it'll be archived.

[kermit]

Archiving.