Character Complaint - Alex Eriksson

[La Villa Strangiato]

BYOND Key: lavillastrangiato
Game ID: cIL-bat4
Player Byond Key/Character name: Flpfs as Alex Eriksson, Head of Security
Staff involved: Yonnimer
Reason for complaint: Shooting a crewmember with a lethal laser rifle over an expired brig sentence, PBing another character while downed to kill confirm them, generally self-antaggy behaviour
Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation?: Yes. Yonnimer told me to make a character complaint, and here I am.
Approximate Date/Time: Roughly 1:20am MST, 01/07/2023

The build-up to this incident is as follows; it's a revenant round, and about midway through, Alex Eriksson joins as Head of Security. He grabs the Captain's spare ID, and while a radstorm is going, announces that after the storm passes, he will open the crew armory. Myself as Rei Patel and several others mosey on over to the crew armory, and after a while, the HoS shows up and opens the crew armory. Then, he starts getting mad at Ose Lotchy, refusing to let her have a gun, for what is apparently an expired brig sentence. From scraping my logs, it looks like the charge was "slander".

So Ose takes a gun anyway, and Alex shoots her. Now, Flpfs in LOOC here says they "meant to aim mode", and then proceeds to shoot Ose more.

Ose runs away to the elevator, being chased by Alex, and then I come across Alex point-blanking Emma Pesic many, many times in my view. Keep in mind I don't know what's happening here, and I can only assume the events were as follows:

1. Alex chases after Ose and keeps shooting her.
2. Ose returns fire.
3. Emma chases after Alex to shoot him because he's shooting Ose.
4. Alex shoots down Emma and kill-confirms her.

So naturally a lot of characters are upset about this, and it occurs to me I should probably ahelp this unfortunate matter. Most admins are offline, but after a bit Yonnimer comes on and tells me I should make a character complaint because he doesn't want to delay the round any further. Thus, here I am.

 

Edited January 7, 2023 by La Villa Strangiato
removed a ping that didnt work

[Minzeyes]

This is an accurate account of events, though I would like to add a few tidbits.
my own character, (Emma Pesic) only engaged in violent action after witnessing said HoS repeatedly shoot Ose while she was on the floor.

I'd also like to add comments said by Eriksson's player in deadchat after the fact.

 My response to the previous comment,

 And here is what he said to what I typed.

I will likely update this with more logs, as I've asked the Admin team for them, but I don't currently have most at this time.

[Drooling Cowboy]

Sup, I played Ose and saw your complaint. Just some info here, I was charged for trying to fix up a unathi military hardsuit with some other characters, although the charges were dropped and reduced to disobeying orders because we attempted to run away initially before turning ourselves in. Then slander after I insulted him a lot and called him a mallcop after said arrest. I was in the cell for about ten minutes, for some reason he didn't give me my card back and eventually after being dragged off into maint the officer said I could just leave because my sentence was up So after the radstorm I left to the armory. I took the gun even after he said no because I wanted to defend myself. I had spent ten minutes in jail, been released by the other officers and for some reason he didn't just charge me with slander twenty minutes ago when I was still in the brig. Logs show what happened, I decided to run, however I did not fire back at him or take my gun off of safety until he had shot me EIGHT times, because I didn't want to break any rules since I got off a permaban recently. I returned fire twice before flopping over, to which he attempted to kill confirm me. After that I'm not sure what happened

Edited January 7, 2023 by Drooling Cowboy
Left out some stuff

[Scheveningen]

I can verify this occurred as an observer and later participant as a revenant for this round. The way this round developed was legitimately so insane from the command and security level that I cannot believe that sequence of events unfolded from a "fellow" whitelisted player. This is the sort of behavior you'd expect from the stereotypical frag-hungry IPCurity of yesteryear where synthetics were roleplayed so stupid as being unable to value human life on any meaningful metric.

The worst part of this is that this is literal "blue-on-blue" unnecessary violence. Why is a head of security killing his own crew when they're clearly not doing anything that would merit forced disarmament? Pesic and Ose did not even do anything that could be associated with antagonist behavior, let alone criminal behavior in that instance. He opened the crew armory because he declared the situation a combat emergency (which, really, was not accurate to the current situation either and was also another incorrect call), and then tries to tell a crewmember they're not allowed to be armed from the crew armory. Perhaps if this was an immediate concern, the crew armory should not have been opened in the first place?

The LOOC gaslighting about "oops aim intent wasn't on" regarding Ose followed by the escalation of force on Pesic after Ose and then deadchecking Emma Pesic is genuinely insane and would not have happened if literally anyone else was playing HOS that round. This is just awful and should not have happened. This is the exact kind of over-escalation and bad faith security behavior that would merit a temp-ban at the very least. It violates the written and spiritual nature of the rules to play HOS like this.

[MadMurky]

I was about to make a complaint over this exact incident but I'll just post my side of the story here.  So I was playing Zhi Jiang (Scientist) during this round, for reference, and I'll start with the main event that I ahelped over.  So everything occurred as La Villa tells it, so I'll just fill in the blanks a bit.  Alex fired upon Ose and continued to shoot them with lethal force after they started running away in spite of the fact that Ose had not returned fire and just chose to run away at that point.  They then continued to shoot Ose after they were cornered by the lift instead of verbally engaging them, at which point Ose did finally return fire.  The HoS, Alex, continued to shoot them even after they were on the ground as though they were trying to kill confirm them.  At which point, Emma Pesic, opened fire on them because, I assume, it was clear this HoS was trying to murder a crew member in the hallway over a slander charge Ose had already served while there were ghost-aliens on the ship trying to harm the crew and destroy equipment. 

As you can see from the logs La Villa posted, Alex returned fire on Pesic until they were dead, and I'm almost certain, because I was wearing a MedHUD, that they continued to shoot Pesic's body after they'd already died.  My character did, at this point, shoot him twice and then stop once I saw that he was apparently incapacitated by this point.  The player then proceeded to act utterly bewildered that the crew would turn on them like this after trying to kill a crew member over something much more minor than an active threat to the ship as a whole in the form of unknown alien ghosts, that the HoS had already seen with his own eyes.  It appears to me that this player doesn't understand that the HoS does not make them judge, jury, and executioner or how/what to prioritize in terms of security threats onboard the ship.  They were also overall very lackluster as a leader during the entire round from my perspective, a big example being their announcement after raising to blue alert, 'Ghosts Breaking Lights.' and spending time on deck 2 heavily micromanaging their IRU officers while making almost the entire rest of the crew wait for them outside of the Crew Armory.

Edit: Also because I feel like this is important, there were only two medical characters during this round (A Pharmacist and a First Responder), neither of whom could have saved someone from multiple gunshot wounds since neither of them are surgeons.  To use lethal force under these circumstances left Ose with no real chance of survival, which I don't think Alex was planning on allowing to happen anyway considering they continued to shoot Ose while they were down and shot Emma to death and then continued to shoot her corpse after she was already dead.

Edited January 7, 2023 by MadMurky

[Garnascus]

Will read this over later today. So if i am tracking correctly nobody involved was an antag? Does not immediately make anyone guilty.

[La Villa Strangiato]

44 minutes ago, Garnascus said:

Will read this over later today. So if i am tracking correctly nobody involved was an antag? Does not immediately make anyone guilty.

No one was an antag, the round was voted Revenant. All of the people involved were not spooky blue ghosts.

[Flpfs]

I was the HoS, keep in mind that I am not only posting here to defend myself, but also to accuse a few people on this thread, since I believe that they broke the rules.

It all began when I and IRU-Adrian found a breacher hardsuit on the library floor. I and Adrian basically chewed out the tech support IPC and the engineer working on it, and they said it was the Guwan who brought the hardsuit out of the warehouse.

We go back to the brig, do some stuff, and we return to the library. We happen to find the Guwan and Ose Lochty (Drooling Cowboy) on it.

Adrian asks the duo who committed the crime, to which Ose said “the mouse did it! he's the criminal!” or something similar, dropped a mouse on the floor and pulled Guwan away out of the room, leaving me typing mid conversation.

Adrian and I walk after them, and we find them in the bar, with the curtains closed to hide themselves. I ask both of them to walk with me to the brig. After some complaining, they comply.

I speak a little with Guwan, and Ose, which I tell to get into the holding cell after they repeatedly complain and say that I am being unfair. After some discussion, I let the Guwan go, and do not pursue the contraband charges. I instead decide to charge Ose with Failure to Obey an Order, as they ignored me and walked away while I was talking to them about an important topic.

Letting the Guwan go, I charge Ose and tell them to go in a cell and begin the timer for their failure to follow the orders from a superior sentence. They repeatedly insult me while in the cell, saying “suck my dick” like five times, that I am a pig, that I am a shithead, and that they would beat me up if I was not wearing armor. There’s a barrage of insults which were frankly many so I lost count. Anyways, I charge Ose with Slander of a Head of Staff and leave the charging paper on the floor, to tack onto their cell timer after the original timer has run out. This is due to a mechanical limitation.

I'd post logs of Ose acting aggressively and all the insults, however, the logs I have do not go back that far. Staff will see that it literally went on for minutes.

We have a radstorm, and I ask engineer Felix to get me into the bridge so I can get the captain’s spare ID. I followed the recommendations of the people in Security, saying that I should unlock the crew armory, and take captainship. I did not think about this alone.

I announce on the radstorm that the crew armory is being opened. Going to the bridge, I gear up with the ID and get ready. Before heading to the armory, I go and promote scientist Tilton to interim RD, since he messaged me several times in the PDA to do so and appoint an interim.

Zhi Jiang runs to me out of nowhere and tells me to open the crew armory, and the bridge crewman informs me they’ve (the bridge crewman I believe) ordered Felix to weld the walls of the crew armory open since in their opinion, was taking too long. I run there and I see several people, including Ose who should have not even been out of the brig, as their slander charge was still not inserted in their cell. Security channel tells me that Ose should not be carrying a gun, and I agreed.

I open the crew armory, and order Ose to not grab a firearm several times, to which Emma Pesic and Zhi Jiang keep egging me on to unlock gear.
I tell the crew that we don’t even need ten people to get gear, and that it is not that critical. Personally, I wasn’t too keen on the crew armory but did it since security recommended it.

I open the lockers, and tell Ose to not grab a firearm, and to not get geared up since I do not trust them. It does not make sense for me to allow somebody who has stated an intent to harm and pretty much psychotically raged on me, banging on their cell windows and telling me that they’d beat me up, to get a gun.

Despite this, Ose literally ignores me, and then runs to the carbine cabinet, grabbing one rifle and ammo. They then do not talk at all and begin running out of the crew armory. Once a firing line is cleared, I toggle aim mode and aim at them, which since it’s buggy fires a shot at them.

I LOOC that this was a mistake, and I tell them to lay down. They ignore my orders and wield their rifle, giving me no other option than to open fire. I would like to point out that the player simply did not fire back at me until we reached the lift not because they thought it wasn't a rulebreak, but because they were recently unbanned. This is admitted in the screenshot below. Keep in mind I shout at Ose to surrender once more on a wall, taking cover. Yet, they still decide to shoot at me.

After the shootout on the entrance to the lift in D3, Emma Pesic walks up to me and tries essentially executing me with zero roleplay or conversation. This is not the first time this behavior has happened. I distinctly remember Emma Pesic’s player fake surrendering and trying to PB people before, I am sure a staff member can see through the logs of these previous rounds to show a pattern of behavior.

I fire back at Pesic. And Jiang, for some reason, walks up and shoots me with a carbine  about three times before shouting "Stop!!", which seems like a thinly veiled attempt to try and make it a IC issue despite not OOCly making sense. This for some reason is left out in the player's recollection of the events.

 

 

Jiang is disarmed either by crew or security who later arrived on the scene, and everyone is arrested. Although I have many more injuries, Cerys-02, a Nexus owned IPC, delays treating me and deliberately neglects it so I would die, because their (as far as I know) girlfriend, Emma Pesic, was shot by me. This is corroborated by the screenshot below, which Rei Patel (Pharmacist) states the same. This is frankly, ridiculous and unbelievable behavior by the player. They also hung out with Emma's corpse on the holodeck after the situation was resolved, which is totally bizarre behavior for an employee. I do not believe even a sane human would do this.

Before anyone says this is unrelated, I was informed to not make a seperate thread for this.

I would like the synthetic lore team to look into this instance separately, as I do not believe owned Nexus IPCs should not be holding grudges and essentially letting me die, and that they should not be doing grief roleplay with a rotting corpse that has been dead for pretty much an hour or so.

 

I would appreciate it if everyone who has contributed to this thread to explain their logic here now that I have provided my own context.

Emma Pesic tried validhunting me by walking up to me and PBing me out of nowhere, Zhi Jiang has a friendship with Pesic, so they also wordlessly did the same, but tried to basically cover it up.

I want to point out that Ose’s behavior here is totally illogical. I was the acting captain and I told you many times that you should not be there, and you knew it. You’re not new to the server and have been unbanned like two weeks ago, you should know better. I do not understand how this would’ve turned out. You reached for a rifle when I told you many, many times not to get any weaponry, loaded ammo, and began running away. You knew what you were doing was wrong, you admit in deadchat you would’ve shot at me if it weren’t for your recent unban. I don't get how it's believable for your character to ignore my orders several times, and insult me tirelessly. If it weren't for the huge mess on the armory, I would've filed an IR regardless on your character because insulting your boss infront of several security officers, saying that you'd beat him up and slandering him tirelessly is not realistic.

For Pesic and Jiang, I was wordlessly shot at in basically self-antagonism. I do not understand how it is reasonable for a crewmember, a thirty-year old woman with a PhD, to attempt to kill the commander in what is essentially a mutiny because of a valid use of force. You were present physically at the crew armory and saw me shout at Ose, and you also heard the argument over the radio. Do not try to claim ignorance or that you think that I tried killing them out of nowhere, because you saw the previous context yourself in the round.

And, for Rei Patel, you displayed a grudge on me leaving me out to die. You literally stated in dchat that you refused treating me. I don't know what IC reasoning you would have for this, or if it's justifiable and realistic for you to ignore to do your OOC job which you signed up for because you don't like me.

 

Overall, this is totally ridiculous, and, I assume, has a "peanut gallery" comment too, made by Schev who did not even see the whole round. This entire round was overwhelming and it's easy to point fingers at me and claim that I was a shit commander. None of the characters involved acted in a believable way. This round was an absolute mess, and I frankly feel saddened at how many people are taking sides before even hearing what I have to say. I have no idea why people acted in this way which was frankly insane, if you told this to someone else, they’d think it was a revolutionary round.
 

[La Villa Strangiato]

I don't really know anything about what happened to Ose or what happened pre-crew armoury, so I'm not gonna comment on that. Minzeyes, MadMurky, and Drooling Cowboy have also already posted their justifications for why their characters shot at Eriksson, so I will leave that up to administrative discretion.

1 hour ago, Flpfs said:

And, for Rei Patel, you displayed a grudge on me leaving me out to die. You literally stated in dchat that you refused treating me. I don't know what IC reasoning you would have for this, or if it's justifiable and realistic for you to ignore to do your OOC job which you signed up for because you don't like me.

My character's IC reasoning was that she refused to treat your character because yours started shooting someone and chasing after them to shoot them with a lethal weapon, and then point-blanked someone my character knew and was friendly with multiple times in the head. I think this is a pretty reasonable response for someone who just saw someone get shot many times in the head, past the point of death. I can't speak for the player's justification here, but did you also consider that Cerys didn't want to treat Eriksson because he point-blanked her girlfriend multiple times?

The only thing my character (and I, the player) has to go on about this is that Ose is being attacked for an expired brig sentence, especially when there was already a big, existential threat going on.

1 hour ago, Flpfs said:

I LOOC that this was a mistake, and I tell them to lay down.

In my original post, we have clear, screenshotted proof of you LOOCing "meant to aim intent" and then shooting Ose twice more. The aim intent crosshair never showed up in my view. I believe I was looking directly at you and Ose through a window when this happened, and it doesn't show up in my logs that you said "lay down" before shooting her again.

15 hours ago, La Villa Strangiato said:

So Ose takes a gun anyway, and Alex shoots her. Now, Flpfs in LOOC here says they "meant to aim mode", and then proceeds to shoot Ose more.

I'm not sure why you're on this kick that I hate you personally and that's why I'm making a player complaint. I can't speak for anyone else in this thread, but I didn't even know it was you who played this character before I ahelped, and even if it wasn't you, the result would be exactly the same. I just think you played extremely violent when you had very little reason to in an incredibly egregious manner and then you proceeded to brush everybody off about it. It made my round really unpleasant because you played the way you did.

I will say to @Scheveningen that while I agree this seems like very bad security play, particularly for someone who has a whitelist, I am not fond of your vitriol on this complaint. I think as someone who's been in the community longer than I have, you should be conducting yourself a lot more politely and a lot more objectively about this situation (especially when you were an observer and can't volunteer screenshots), because when you post stuff like this it goes against the spirit of the player complaint rules, and you are making me look like an asshole.

Edited January 8, 2023 by La Villa Strangiato
added a single sentence

[Drooling Cowboy]

Yo, I'm not saying I would have shot you, I'm saying I know firing on you was against the rules, and I know that I'm on thin ice so I wanted to avoid breaking rules, however me insulting you a lot for locking me up over such a petty thing for me was just roleplay. Anyway as I said, I just grabbed a gun for protection since it was the crew armory and just wanted to defend myself. I never wanted to shoot you, and I missed your looc. Also, I had the rifle gripped before you shot me or I ran away. You never told me to surrender, either I didn't hear it or you can just check the logs after the fact you shot me eight times and kept shooting before I ever fired a shot at you, which an admin confirmed himself. Why did I disobey orders? Because I wanted to defend myself, and you lit me up with a laser gun. Can't speak on everyone elses actions, I don't care about you getting punished, I'm just trying to defend what I did. 

[Garnascus]

Discussed this with a lot of staff on discord. The general consensus is this, the HoS absolutely had the right to shoot @Drooling Cowboy and kill him given the circumstances. If a head of security orders you not to pick up a lethal firearm and you do it anyway you are getting shot. End of discussion. This does not give any crew the right to involve themselves in the situation and attack the HoS and i am currently looking through logs to get a better picture.

17 hours ago, Minzeyes said:

my own character, (Emma Pesic) only engaged in violent action after witnessing said HoS repeatedly shoot Ose while she was on the floor.

 

17 hours ago, MadMurky said:

My character did, at this point, shoot him twice and then stop once I saw that he was apparently incapacitated by this point

The HoS gave Ohse multiple chances to surrender and ohse did not. You are not permitted to involve yourself in security situations like this. 

2 hours ago, La Villa Strangiato said:

My character's IC reasoning was that she refused to treat your character because yours started shooting someone and chasing after them to shoot them with a lethal weapon, and then point-blanked someone my character knew and was friendly with multiple times in the head. I

 

3 hours ago, Flpfs said:

Cerys-02, a Nexus owned IPC, delays treating me and deliberately neglects it so I would die, because their (as far as I know) girlfriend, Emma Pesic, was shot by me. This is corroborated by the screenshot below, which Rei Patel (Pharmacist) states the same. This is frankly, ridiculous and unbelievable behavior by the player.

I am personally not keen on medical players EVER refusing to treat people regardless of the circumstances. Its the same as killing someone because you're literally letting them die in my mind. That being said i understand being incredibly grief-stricken over your girlfriend having just been killed. EVEN IF your girlfriend was in the wrong i dont know how reasonable it is to expect your character to act totally rational in that situation. As far as refusing to treat someone who killed someone you where friendly with....frankly, its your JOB to treat crew. It is a server rule that your character must be able to perform your job to an acceptable standard. We really cannot have medical players picking and choosing who they treat because their friend was just killed by the janitor or someone else in the crew. Treat them, cuff them even and then hand them off to security so they can be tried and investigated for any wrong doings. 

[La Villa Strangiato]

56 minutes ago, Garnascus said:

frankly, its your JOB to treat crew

I understand that it is my character or another medical character's job to treat crew (even if I was a pharmacist, but I wanted to be able to at least slap bandages on someone), but I don't really understand the focus on "you didn't treat so-and-so because you 'don't like them'" given that my character saw someone get point-blank shot in the head multiple times, to the point she saw them die in front of her before she could do anything. I should also point out that my logs omit that Pesic was shooting at Eriksson because I got there right when she was being shot while downed. I think this is a pretty shocking experience for anyone that may influence them, no matter how dedicated they are usually, to not treating the person who just did that. (Also, at that point, I was kinda stunlocked myself that that happened because it seemed to have come out of nowhere. It was by far the most rapidly escalated situation I'd seen from a Head of Security even in a revolution round, and it just put me off to the point I wasn't even really interested in playing. As the logs will show, I cryoed shortly after.)

There's obviously more context to the situation with Ose, but I'm not sure I agree with "you shouldn't have involved yourself in this security situation" because none of our characters have context for the HoS' reasoning of "you can't have this gun and I will shoot you lethally if you take this gun". The sole context we had was "I called you a mall cop which you brigged me for for slander, my sentence ran out, and now you're not letting me have a gun when there's a very serious situation going on". With the initial screenshots I posted, it appears to be (but isn't necessarily, depending on your perspective) a pretty minor offense. If the guy who is the acting captain suddenly pulls a gun and starts shooting a person who committed a petty crime, even if they do have a gun, I would think trying to stop the guy is a pretty normal reaction.

Edited January 8, 2023 by La Villa Strangiato
added sentence for clarification

[Garnascus]

1 hour ago, La Villa Strangiato said:

but I don't really understand the focus on "you didn't treat so-and-so because you 'don't like them'" given that my character saw someone get point-blank shot in the head multiple times, to the point she saw them die in front of her before she could do anything.

I just don't buy it, frankly. We never have this discussion during any of the 12 horrendously violent merc rounds we have a week. We never have this discussion during any of Alb's or the lore teams events when they get violent. Hell this round itself had ghosts flying around breaking stuff and i certainly do not see any character in this thread justifying not doing their job because of it. It is theoretically possible for your character to reasonably roleplay being unable to do their job for X reasons but it seems to be so rarely and inconsistently applied in our community it makes me question it. I'm not necessarily saying either of you are breaking rules (you and the IPC). I don't know and this is only a small part of this overall complaint.

1 hour ago, La Villa Strangiato said:

There's obviously more context to the situation with Ose, but I'm not sure I agree with "you shouldn't have involved yourself in this security situation" because none of our characters have context for the HoS' reasoning of "you can't have this gun and I will shoot you lethally if you take this gun".

This is even more of a reason to not involve yourself. If none of your characters have the context for an order the HoS is giving then you dont interfere. Disallowing certain crew members from accessing the crew armory IS the HoS's call to make. Full stop. If you disobey that order the consequences are on your character. You dont have the right to rear end someone and then complain that they stopped. 

[La Villa Strangiato]

54 minutes ago, Garnascus said:

I just dont buy it, frankly. We never have this discussion during any of the 12 horrendously violent merc rounds we have a week. We never have this discussion during any of Alb's or the lore teams events when they get violent. Hell this round itself had ghosts flying around breaking stuff and i certainly do not see any character in this thread justifying not doing their job because of it. It is theoretically possible for your character to reasonably roleplay being unable to do their job for X reasons but it seems to be so rarely and inconsistently applied in our community it makes me question it. 

I have to say I really don't agree with your assessment here just because of the context of everything, which like I said included me being surprised this happened, thinking it was self-antaggy, and not really wanting to get involved in it. However if that's your final verdict, then I will be sure to remember not to refuse to treat someone in the future.

1 hour ago, Garnascus said:

This is even more of a reason to not involve yourself. If none of your characters have the context for an order the HoS is giving then you dont interfere.

Again, I have to disagree, just because my first thought was not "WHAT HORRIBLE CRIMES COULD THIS CHARACTER HAVE COMMITTED", rather, it was "holy shit why is he firing a laser rifle at her over an expired brig sentence! Somebody should stop that guy!" All the same, I too really despise it when characters really bait security super hard and excessively insult or taunt them, which seems like what Ose was doing, even if Drooling Cowboy intended it to be just RP.

I'll cut myself off and wait for a final verdict after this response, but I would summarise the crux of my argument as 1) I don't think "I just meant to aim intent" was a great excuse for shooting, especially when aim intent doesn't work very well 2) I don't think PBing and dead-checking/kill-confirming to that amount, as detailed in the OP in screenshots, was justified and 3) This is really not a great example of sec play to me. That's all for me this thread.

[Axton_Wake]

Cerys player here. I don't know if I'm late to give my side of the story as I've not been initially aware I've been made a part of this, so I'll keep it brief. This is a recollection of events as I remember them.

 

Before the shootout occured on third deck I was stationed next to machinist's lab with a group of security and engineering who were breaching the lab to take out a revenant, which holed themselves up in lab. At that point I heard people call about a shootout on deck three, looked at sensors. Pesic was on sensors and flatlined, Ose and Alex were off sensors.

 

I rushed to the scene, and arrived to Ose being on the floor verbally expressing pain and distress while Commander was talking to the crowd. I had zero idea what resulted in chaos that took place at the time. Pesic was dead, so I had to focus on those still alive. On the medical HUD they were both yellow, so I scanned Ose, staunched the bleeding and given them inaprovaline, perconol and dexalin plus.

 

Afterwards scanned Alex and treated their wounds, giving them inaprovaline, perconol and dexalin plus. The health scanner showed Commander having MSOF, so I had put them into a stasis bag, Ose on the roller bed. I dragged the stasis bag while another person pulled the roller bed, and we brought them to GTR.

 

Following treatment should have been done by a physician, but we did not have one, so I connected Ose to oxygen and blood IV, then went to open the stasis bag and body scan Alex. He had severe brain, heart and lung damage. The best thing that could have saved him was an emergency surgery, but we did not have a surgeon either. The last option I was left with was putting a stabilizer harness on the Commander and putting them into a cryotube, as Rei had informed me before on medical comms it had organ restoratives in it. 

 

The plan was to have organ restoratives fix some of the organ damage so that I could figure out what to do from there, however the cryotube was not enough and Alex expired. I was able to fix up Ose only because they've had minor lung damage and moderate brain damage and were stable enough for alkysine IV drip and pneumalin inhaler to work.

 

Given the circumstances, I did my best to heal both Commander and Ose with the resources I had. The argument that the treatment was delayed doesn't make sense in my head as I had to act on information I gathered in mere seconds since my arrival on scene, which I did. What's more:

A) Cerys is a FR, so it's her job to stabilise injured and bring them to medbay. Given lack of medical personnel she had to go beyond what is usually expected from a FR, however only using the tools a Responder would reasonably know how to use.

B) As with any IPC (with Cerys being owned privately and leased to Nexus), their survival and livelihood depends solely on them performing their job to the best of their abilities, which I as Cerys did. Unlike organics, who are prone to erratic behaviour, an IPC would be able to swipe aside anything that is on their mind to focus on their intended job. I don't agree with the statement that Cerys had a grudge that had affected her performance during medical procedures.

[Garnascus]

21 hours ago, Flpfs said:

Although I have many more injuries, Cerys-02, a Nexus owned IPC, delays treating me and deliberately neglects it so I would die, because their (as far as I know) girlfriend, Emma Pesic, was shot by me. This is corroborated by the screenshot below, which Rei Patel (Pharmacist) states the same. This is frankly, ridiculous and unbelievable behavior by the player. They also hung out with Emma's corpse on the holodeck after the situation was resolved, which is totally bizarre behavior for an employee. I do not believe even a sane human would do this.

So based on @Axton_Wake's post here it seems he did all he could to try and treat you. Do you have any issues with his post? I will say that at the very least "hanging out with the corpse" is actually totally reasonable if it was someone you cared about deeply and if its true he made a good effort attempt to treat you then its completely his character's prerogative. 

[Flpfs]

I wasn't aware of the extent of my injuries nor that I had organ failure. I guess this explains it better, seeing as I was unconscious for most of my time injured. From my perspective at the time, you could definitely make an assumption like that. I have no issues with the post and I am happy with the explanation.

2 hours ago, Garnascus said:

So based on @Axton_Wake's post here it seems he did all he could to try and treat you. Do you have any issues with his post? I will say that at the very least "hanging out with the corpse" is actually totally reasonable if it was someone you cared about deeply and if its true he made a good effort attempt to treat you then its completely his character's prerogative. 

 

[Garnascus]

Alrighty, so just an update on all of this. TLDR is i see no reason to punish the HoS for anything he has done and i have discussed this issue at length with fellow staffmembers on our staff discord. If the HoS tells you not to grab a gun and you grab a gun anyway you are going to get shot. End of discussion. Ose was given a chance to surrender after being shot and he did not. Ose instigated this situation by grabbing a gun and not following the HoS's orders. The fact that the HoS responded with justified lethal force does NOT give any crew the right to shoot the HoS and everyone involved in shooting the HoS is probably going to have some action taken against them. 

@Drooling Cowboy There is a universe where taking a gun from the armory despite the HoS's order is an acceptable IC action. This would depend on the severity of the ghosts attacking the ship. It is almost impossible for me to actually determine how bad the situation was just from logs. You where incredibly verbally aggressive during your prison sentence, you did threaten the HoS and all of security, you did take a lethal weapon when ordered not to, you where given more than once chance to surrender as @Flpfs screenshots show. Whatever "the line" is for rulebreaking character behavior you are DEFINITELY on it and you may even be over it. 

@Axton_Wake As i explained in my previous post I think your actions where fine. You definitely displayed the nuances of IPC behavior here by "swiping away" your emotions and doing your job. 

@Minzeyes Attacking the HoS was absolutely inappropriate. When a member of the crew antagonizes security and forces a particular response you cannot use that as justification to kill them. Action will be taken against you

@MadMurky Based on your own testimony you saw @Minzeyes character fire upon the HoS and the HoS returned fire. The HoS defended themselves against emma pessic and you shot them for it. Completely unnaceptable and the Ohse situation starting this all does not justify you shooting the HoS either. Action will be taken against you. 

@La Villa Strangiato As i understand it you did not shoot the HoS at all and only refused to treat him later. Your character is a pharmacist and generally there isnt really an expectation for pharmacists to treat people. You make medicines and maybe have first aid training but thats about it. Our team as a whole takes a very dim view of any player who refuses to do their job for any reason, you need a really good reason it since our entire server relies on various crew doing their jobs at all times. I think you have a reason here so i do not feel action needs to be taken against you.

I am not listing the specific action taken against people because its going to depend on various note/warnings/ban histories and this complaint would go on for another week if i waited to do all of that. 

[Garnascus]

Actions have been doled out. This complaint is now resolved.

Locking and archiving.