Staff Complaint - Cyberspy

[Zulu0009]

BYOND Key: Zulu0009
Staff BYOND Key: Cyberspy, I think, I don't know
Game ID: N/A
Reason for complaint: Permabanned for no discernible logical reason.
Evidence/logs/etc:

 

This isn't a staff complaint to appeal this permaban, because apparently it's been decided that I can't do so for half a year. It is to complain about what Cyberspy did and this ban itself, and hopefully to get someone higher up to review this mess. It's 5 am as I write this, because I can't sleep after seeing the notification, and I'm assuming the thread is going to be locked or deleted because I somehow breached a rule, so I guess I'm ready for that too. Yippee.

Yesterday, at like, 11 pm, I checked the Aurora Discords as I often do, to see if there's anything of note and to see news and updates. I checked the human-general channel on the lore server, and saw a discussion about whether Gadpathur is fascist or not. I thought it was a dumb discussion, so I took a screenshot, sent it to a friend and remarked about how pointless it was to sit there and argue whether the adjective "fascist" can be attached to something or not freely. It was so dumb that for the first time in over a month, I posted in there. Out of their own volition, accord and will, because it turns out people are free to make decisions and I'm not their master, a few people decided to join the discussion, which admittedly became even more pointless, but then again, it was about fascism, what did you expect? Eventually it died out, I messaged them and told them it had been dumb to involve themselves, and one of them said "hey, you should leave the servers in case they think you sent them." I thought that was dumb, because I did not, I left a total of like, five posts in that chat, and all I had done was be friends on Discord with a few of them (there's really not that many people who play SS13, by the way, being friends with a lot of them isn't crazy) and share a screenshot to one. How could anyone possibly think that I had sent them? In fact, I hadn't. Because like... why the fuck would I?

Imagine my shock when I wake up at 4 am and see that, indeed, someone extended a very long arm and reached the conclusion, thus banning me from not one, not two, but three Discord servers at once, cutting off all communication to friends I might have had the same day that I was thinking about joining the Relay to announce that Francisco Vazquez is leaving the Horizon (sorry for the spoilers). I would like to ask Cyberspy what exact precedence or basis he used to establish that I was out to harass people and that "my OOC conduct continues to be consistently bad" when I haven't interacted with anyone in over a month, I haven't even played the game in over a month, my latest note was unrelated to conduct and my latest forum punishment was issued because I posted in a staff complaint. The more I write this complaint, the more I assume you banned the wrong person, honestly.

As I said, I guess this isn't an appeal, because apparently I can't appeal for six whole months, which is longer than the total time I have been playing on this server, so this complaint is to highlight the baffling nature of this ban, which has absolutely zero evidence or legitimacy, and to question its validity, so what exactly was my crime? Being friends on Discord with people who talked in a public chat accessible by everyone? I mean, I am trying really hard to take this seriously and make my case, but this is like shooting a man with a Javelin because you thought you saw him jaywalk. Did nobody in the staff team stop to say "uh guys, can we double check that this is right"? Nobody? Or worse, did Cyberspy just do this alone, with no supervision or assistance? Is that worse? I don't know. What history of OOC conduct do I have, by the way? How can you accuse someone of going out of their way to harass people, which I didn't, factually (there is no evidence that I harassed anyone whatsoever)?

It was an argument in a Discord channel about whether the fictional nation of Gadpathur can be defined as fascist or not, on a Saturday night, man. I really have no idea how anyone can come to the conclusion that I specifically, personally, directly sent a "brigade" of people to support me in my fight for the declaration of Gadpathur as fascist. Do you seriously think I'm that pathetic, that I would do this for an argument I wasn't even involved in, which I didn't particularly care about? I feel really offended at the thought that not only did you come to that conclusion, but that you thought the solution was to permanently ban me. From an outside perspective, you banned a completely random user several hours after a discussion had gotten mildly agitated, for the crime of... let me check my notes... being friends with people on Discord. If you actually, unironically thought that I summoned an undead horde from the throne of my evil anti-Aurora metaclique to strike down the righteous lore writer Schwann for not declaring Gadpathur fascist and bending to my will... I genuinely have no idea what to say. Sorry. The rules say that the character of a person can't be attacked, but the ban reason is an attack on my person so like... what am I supposed to defend myself against? This is a factually incorrect ban reason and I have no idea how it wasn't questioned or reviewed. I know you guys don't like me, but you could find better ban reasons and actually make your case stand on two legs instead of a single stick.

TL;DR: I am the General of the Aurora metaclique known as Task Force 141 and I sent Ghost (he's literally me fr), Soap and Price to post mildly passive aggressive comments on a discussion about whether or not Gadpathur is fascist. Our attack was unsuccessful, and we inflicted absolutely zero casualties and did minor morale damage. I truly deserve to be permabanned on the spot.

[WickedCybs]

It is actually a little hard for me to believe you're shocked at all that your three buddies ended up reflecting poorly on yourself. Two of them joined at the same time (one is a banned user) and got to work. They made it evident that they know you (how could anyone possibly think you're related?), they made it evident that they knew each other and so all it was really morphing into was you guys just circlejerking and harassing the human lore team. You try to stress that this is wrong and that you're uninvolved because you merely posted the picture that caused them to join in, but that would require a lot of charity on my part to interpret it as such when they joined to start shit, backed each other up and pointed out things to you. Someone more self aware would at least own up to this and acknowledge that maybe their pals weren't right to dogpile and could have at least stopped shitposting if they wanted to be taken seriously, but you just seem to see it as a joke, so it's fine to you. If you view a conversation as pointless, don't join it? That's what I expect.

I don't really think I'm wrong in considering you to be OOCly a negative presence. You were supporting a ban evader in what might as well have been an organized harassment campaign against Mel and others. You started the trend of confused/laugh reacting forum posts you disagreed with and then hypocritically got grievously offended when others did the same to you. You've had problems on server which were most evident when you played Mobius in relation to how others thought of the character. You kept finding any opportunity to insert yourself into threads that weren't for you to post in (complaints). This doesn't need to turn into listing every little negative thing you've done, but what struck me the most about everything is that there's little in the way of apology or self-reflection. You push things too far as a "joke" and you only try to take the high road when others do unto you as you do to them. If we are at the point where these post walls mainly consist of your dramatizations, loathing and shitposting I have to wonder why you attempt to remain and fight people.

All in all I personally can't say I'm comfortable with allowing you to stay lurking so you can save and post funny pictures to another discord and then have random people join in to post about recent bans or other conversations you're feeding them. If you want to continue with that at least don't shit where you eat.

[Zulu0009]

3 hours ago, WickedCybs said:

It is actually a little hard for me to believe you're shocked at all that your three buddies ended up reflecting poorly on yourself. Two of them joined at the same time (one is a banned user) and got to work. They made it evident that they know you (how could anyone possibly think you're related?), they made it evident that they knew each other and so all it was really morphing into was you guys just circlejerking and harassing the human lore team.

Milsugio posted a total of two comments. Vitaeterna posted a few more but eventually stopped. Ambrose continued the discussion in a mature and acceptable way. Drop the harassment thing, it's not working. Show me actual messages that are harassment before you cry wolf that the Baddies harassed Schwann. They did not, and if Schwann feels they were harassed, they're free to post in this to make it clear they were. Also, you really want to use these screenshots? The first one is suspicious, sure, but the second one is a perfectly acceptable response to what was seen as a really rude reply by Schwann. The third screenshot is someone replying to someone else's message, so there's literally no correlation there. The fourth screenshot shows Ambrose and Vitaeterna interacting, but the post highlighted here seems like a reply related to what I said.

3 hours ago, WickedCybs said:

Someone more self aware would at least own up to this and acknowledge that maybe their pals weren't right to dogpile and could have at least stopped shitposting if they wanted to be taken seriously, but you just seem to see it as a joke, so it's fine to you. If you view a conversation as pointless, don't join it? That's what I expect.

Please abide by your own rules and don't insult me with that "someone more self aware". Never in my original post did I say "yeah, they were justified in joining the chat," so don't put words in my mouth either. I told them they fucked up and they should've minded their business once the dust settled.

3 hours ago, WickedCybs said:

You were supporting a ban evader in what might as well have been an organized harassment campaign against Mel and others.

This is the second time you make up something completely false. Stars did not ban evade when I was vocal about my support for them. Once they started ban evading I stopped interacting with them. And again, what harassment? Do NOT imply that I was part of some kind of "harassment campaign" you made up on the spot, or that I supported a ban evader. Where's the evidence for this?

3 hours ago, WickedCybs said:

You started the trend of confused/laugh reacting forum posts you disagreed with and then hypocritically got grievously offended when others did the same to you.

This is the third time you make up something that is factually incorrect. Everyone used reactions on posts, and sometimes they turned out negative. Also, it was the entire staff team that made fun of Stars' complaint that made me offended. You know, the thing that made people question removing forum reactions. You really need to review your facts before posting. In fact, it's happening right now, with Sycmos and geeves. You're not slick.

3 hours ago, WickedCybs said:

You kept finding any opportunity to insert yourself into threads that weren't for you to post in (complaints).

Again, I have no idea what you're talking about, dude. I did it once recently, was punished for it, and have not done it since.

3 hours ago, WickedCybs said:

You push things too far as a "joke" and you only try to take the high road when others do unto you as you do to them. If we are at the point where these post walls mainly consist of your dramatizations, loathing and shitposting I have to wonder why you attempt to remain and fight people.

Cybs, I am genuinely really confused as to what the hell you're talking about. What things do I push as a joke? What are you referring to? And also, what am I meant to post when I'm permabanned for something I had very little part in? "I'm sorry that some people did something and I know them, please unban me"? You have no evidence to ban me with and your response included several insults, so why should I take this seriously? So far your reply has been "you're harassing people" with several examples of it, which have no evidence, which are wrong. My fault in what was a minorly heated argument was sending a screenshot to someone and maybe being a little too mean. You're now escalating this beyond any logical reason by not only insulting me personally, but also claiming this is the cherry on top of a whole history of supposed OOC misconduct. I'm sorry you think I'm a negative presence. I also think you're a negative presence (the number of staff complaints against you seems to reflect this), but I'm not an admin so I can't ban you.

All in all, you have provided absolutely nothing of note and have only proven that you did not gather any evidence whatsoever. You continue to try and construe arguments and discussions as harassment and attack me personally. I would appreciate it if you followed the rules and gave me evidence for what I've done wrong.

[MattAtlas]

2 hours ago, Zulu0009 said:

Drop the harassment thing, it's not working. Show me actual messages that are harassment before you cry wolf that the Baddies harassed Schwann. They did not, and if Schwann feels they were harassed, they're free to post in this to make it clear they were. Also, you really want to use these screenshots?

You posted our messages in your funny discord to get your friends to come in and argue on your side and make passive aggressive comments, and you actually think this wouldn't upset me or Schwann?

[Zulu0009]

4 hours ago, MattAtlas said:

You posted our messages in your funny discord to get your friends to come in and argue on your side and make passive aggressive comments, and you actually think this wouldn't upset me or Schwann?

Considering how I... did not do that, and you're making this up, I'd continue to consider the rules of the staff complaint section. Insisting that I did this on purpose to harass you or anyone else is not only wrong, but stupid.

[WickedCybs]

12 hours ago, Zulu0009 said:

This is the third time you make up something that is factually incorrect. Everyone used reactions on posts, and sometimes they turned out negative. Also, it was the entire staff team that made fun of Stars' complaint that made me offended. You know, the thing that made people question removing forum reactions. You really need to review your facts before posting. In fact, it's happening right now, with Sycmos and geeves. You're not slick.

There is pretty much nothing factually incorrect about noticing that you made a funny reaction on Matt's post early in the thread and then getting upset when you got ratio'd soon after. It's because of incidents like that, where people like you will abuse them to make a thread even more of a joke and then act the part of an aggrieved community member when it subsequently backfires. However you try to spin it, that's the hypocrisy that continues to define your posts here. I'm not really sharing this complaint or even talking about it to others as this is just business as usual.

Now, the interesting thing to me is that this isn't even the first time you've done this with emotes/reactions whether it's on the forum or on the Discord. Just yesterday even before the incident where you harassed human lore, you and your buddies were also shit-stirring in the maincord. It starts off with you reacting to the ban the way you typically do to Matt's posts (I'm sure you would love it if someone constantly did this to you) along with the other guy who then proceeds to randomly echo your opinion roughly half an hour after it already happened and then another guy who has never really been active in the community posts about it again. Almost all the same people you brought to the lorecord sans the guy who was already banned before, but I'm sure you're going to tell me you just mentioned it in to your group and that these were all purely individual actions that happened to closely resemble each other and do not reflect on you. This is one of the least veiled and most immature attempts at brigading I've seen in a while.

Mel didn't deserve what you directed onto her. Matt didn't deserve your continued harassment. Schwan didn't deserve being a random target. The community shouldn't have had to deal with your hostility and constant attempts to make issues where there are none. Harassment however much you feel that it's righteously justified will never be okay. If this is upheld, you are welcome to appeal in the timeframe I specified when you feel you can be trusted to practice more consideration for other people over Discord.

[Zulu0009]

6 hours ago, WickedCybs said:

There is pretty much nothing factually incorrect about noticing that you made a funny reaction on Matt's post early in the thread and then getting upset when you got ratio'd soon after. It's because of incidents like that, where people like you will abuse them to make a thread even more of a joke and then act the part of an aggrieved community member when it subsequently backfires. However you try to spin it, that's the hypocrisy that continues to define your posts here. I'm not really sharing this complaint or even talking about it to others as this is just business as usual.

My brother in Christ, you can't seriously use the "well he did it first so I'm justified" argument when the entire staff team publicly ridiculed someone's unban request. Also, don't fucking say "ratio" in a serious context. Fuck, man.

6 hours ago, WickedCybs said:

It starts off with you reacting to the ban the way you typically do to Matt's posts (I'm sure you would love it if someone constantly did this to you) along with the other guy who then proceeds to randomly echo your opinion roughly half an hour after it already happened and then another guy who has never really been active in the community posts about it again. Almost all the same people you brought to the lorecord sans the guy who was already banned before, but I'm sure you're going to tell me you just mentioned it in to your group and that these were all purely individual actions that happened to closely resemble each other and do not reflect on you. This is one of the least veiled and most immature attempts at brigading I've seen in a while.

Dude, I don't know how to fucking reiterate this to you: I did not fucking send them. I asked Ambrose to confirm if I sent him or not but I'm sure you're just gonna dismiss that because "you told him to say this!!!" or some other excuse. I never harassed Mel or Matt or Schwann, who I'm sure can talk for themselves and don't need you to speak for them, and you can continue to claim I did with no evidence or drop it and figure out a better excuse for banning me.

Also:

6 hours ago, WickedCybs said:

The community shouldn't have had to deal with your hostility and constant attempts to make issues where there are none.

Who the fuck is "the community"? You? You're not the community, dude. Matt isn't the community. Mel isn't the community. Schwann isn't the community. The fact that 2-3 staff members can say "yeah I don't like this guy and I think he did this thing" so you can immediately permaban me doesn't make you question anything? I genuinely can't wrap my head around how fucking stubborn and close-minded you can be to assume that, for some fucking reason, one random day of the week, unprompted, I sent a bunch of people to several Discord servers to what exactly? Brigade against the staff menace? I'm gonna be 100% honest with you Cybs, I don't care nearly enough about you or the staff team to organize that. And also, why would I sit here and consistently say that you're wrong? You don't think I'd find another justification or alibi? I suggest the staff team get a course in criminal law - not that it matters when you can just ban people and bully them off the forums, right?

By the way, how many other people have you banned who were actually innocent because this is the behavior you had?

To be frank, I'm not wasting my time on you, Cybs. I have a paper to write, I have Uni lectures, I have a life I need to live without having to prove to you that I'm innocent. Hell, the weekend is my only free time, why would I waste it on this shit, dude? Why do you think I would have any reason to do that? By the way, turns out it's usually "innocent until proven guilty" and not "head under the guillotine and beg me for mercy". If you're going to continue stomping on the ground and arguing in completely bad faith with circumstantial evidence that proves absolutely nothing while your staff friends react to your messages, go ahead and lock this thread and live your life, I'll live mine. I hear Polaris and Bay are doing good this time of year.

[WickedCybs]

30 minutes ago, Zulu0009 said:

To be frank, I'm not wasting my time on you, Cybs. I have a paper to write, I have Uni lectures, I have a life I need to live without having to prove to you that I'm innocent. Hell, the weekend is my only free time, why would I waste it on this shit, dude? Why do you think I would have any reason to do that? By the way, turns out it's usually "innocent until proven guilty" and not "head under the guillotine and beg me for mercy". If you're going to continue stomping on the ground and arguing in completely bad faith with circumstantial evidence that proves absolutely nothing while your staff friends react to your messages, go ahead and lock this thread and live your life, I'll live mine. I hear Polaris and Bay are doing good this time of year.

OK. 

So do you actually want this thread archived?

[Ambrose]

Since I have been mentioned several times during this complaint, I figure i'm involved enough that i'm allowed to say my piece on this situation in the discord. First, i'd like to begin by confirming and reiterating that Zulu did not send me. I got a little Social-justice-warrior because I saw screenshots that were posted from a stance of "This conversation is ridiculous" where Schwann appeared to be talking to someone (Foxy) rather rudely for simply being curious about the lore and I saw that absolutely.. no one felt the need to call that behavior out. That admittedly rather bugged me. 

The others who joined did not join because of Zulu, they joined in because they saw that I had joined. They followed after me because they saw that I was joining the discussion. Zulu did not encourage any of us to join at all. I don't think the messages I wrote were that bad either, considering I had joined merely to defend what I perceived as wrongful behavior by someone (which honestly I had no stake in, again, I must have put my SJW hat on that day.) 

For the behavior of the others I can't really speak for nor could I control their behavior because they weren't there at my behest or Zulu's. The only behavior I could control was my own, which I don't think was out of line at all (and considering I wasn't banned, neither does any other staff member). 

Personally, I don't know why I wasn't asked at all regarding this and you instead chose to believe Zulu was a puppeteer, but in that case if you truly believed that, why am I still present in the discords? It doesn't make sense, and something isn't right here. As for me being a "Random guy", I had been in the main aurora discord for awhile before that and have actually played a few times, so this doesn't really check out. I may not be super active, but i'm around. 

[Zulu0009]

25 minutes ago, WickedCybs said:

OK. 

So do you actually want this thread archived?

No, man. Re-read what I said. I have Uni lectures right now, so please don't close it while I'm away.

Edited March 13, 2023 by Zulu0009

[WickedCybs]

6 minutes ago, Ambrose said:

Why am I still present in the discords? It doesn't make sense, and something isn't right here.

You were far more coherent than the rest of your friends who could only really say "fr" or short sentences. You also managed to hold a decent conversation with Peppermint earlier. I ultimately chose not to discord ban you for that reason even if you had a big part to play in this. That and I'm not exactly eager to perma people. 

For the future, if you really want to earnestly talk to lore or other people in this community it helps to not join in a dog pile with people that you evidently know, as it only makes you look worse.

20 minutes ago, Ambrose said:

As for me being a "Random guy", I had been in the main aurora discord for awhile before that and have actually played a few times, so this doesn't really check out. I may not be super active, but i'm around. 

You joined last November, were a rare presence in January and only returned two months later (on the discord) just to comment on omegaTracing's ban and the lore discord conversation. Returning just because you saw what Zulu posted isn't really being around and that amounts to the bulk of your contributions here at the moment.

20 minutes ago, Zulu0009 said:

No, man. Re-read what I said.

Your posts become less legible the more petty you make it and the more you shoehorn in that you're studying a law degree or something. It generally helps here to be concise and stick to what's relevant.

[Ambrose]

I mean to clarify what you said, I didn't join in on a dog-pile, people followed me of their own complete volition. Again, I can't speak on whether they had ill intentions or not, i'm just stating the fact that Zulu did not orchestrate anything.

Edit: I understand your reasoning of me coming across as more coherent which made you reluctant to ban me, but if I really was just there to dog-pile and harass someone and you think my reasoning and justification for my actions are false, why have I not received some kind of punishment? This part still doesn't make sense to me. Coherency wouldn't change whether i'm a bad actor or not, would it?

Edited March 13, 2023 by Ambrose

[WickedCybs]

9 minutes ago, Ambrose said:

Edit: I understand your reasoning of me coming across as more coherent which made you reluctant to ban me, but if I really was just there to dog-pile and harass someone and you think my reasoning and justification for my actions are false, why have I not received some kind of punishment? This part still doesn't make sense to me. Coherency wouldn't change whether i'm a bad actor or not, would it?

Well, if you want to talk about it I don't mind being DM'd. I don't really view this as relevant enough to continue in the complaint itself, even if there seems(?) to be an implication I have some ulterior motive to it.

[MattAtlas]

2 hours ago, Zulu0009 said:

I hear Polaris and Bay are doing good this time of year.

Go and stay gone then. Neither cybs nor I have any intention of really engaging with you at this point when you're clearly baiting.

[Ambrose]

I don't think twisting his words where he's saying "If you don't plan on stopping this repeatedly negative bad faith style of negotiating, lock the thread" as "Yes archive the thread now" is really fair guys.

[Zulu0009]

1 hour ago, WickedCybs said:

Your posts become less legible the more petty you make it and the more you shoehorn in that you're studying a law degree or something. It generally helps here to be concise and stick to what's relevant.

1 hour ago, MattAtlas said:

Go and stay gone then. Neither cybs nor I have any intention of really engaging with you at this point when you're clearly baiting.

I would argue it's extremely hypocritical to call me petty after banning me for a petty reason and then being petty in the staff complaint that followed. What's relevant here is that you banned me because you don't like me and are being proven wrong about this as we speak. I didn't send anyone brigading, and Ambrose has just confirmed this. But also, apparently I can't be unbanned for six more months (which is a ridiculous length with no previous warnings or temporary bans by the way) so I don't know what I could even hope to achieve here. I didn't decide that staff complaints are the only place to talk to staff, you did, so here I am. I'm not shoehorning anything, I'm being truthful. I was banned for no reason and I really don't have time to sit here and read someone twisting my words, insulting me and making false accusations. That's why I said that if that's how you want to keep going, then you can lock this thread. Also, Matt, if you have nothing good to say, don't say it. You are doing absolutely nothing constructive here aside from passive-aggressive if not outwardly aggressive jabs.

What exactly am I supposed to do here? You banned me for an unfair reason, I ask for proof, you provide shaky proof that gets proven wrong shortly after. Can I ask to be unbanned now or do I need to see you guys in 2043?

[Ambrose]

One of your points is that the same guy who agreed with zulu on something also agreed with another opinion of his later on in the lore discord (meaning me). The fact is, the omegatracing thing was completely isolated as well. I have a screenshot of when I precisely realized omegatracing was banned for what I thought was a silly reason, and it had nothing to do with Zulu: https://prnt.sc/OivUQdeUzdSG - the exact time I noticed the situation with omegatracing and went "That seems fuckin' weird". 

So the idea that there is a pattern of behavior where he's used me to "Back up his opinion" isn't really there, I didn't even know he reacted to that ban with those emojis before I replied to it. As for the others who joined, I am of the firm opinion they joined as a result of me joining. They were probably lightly trolling themselves, but neither of us actually wanted nor asked them to be there. It isn't really Zulu's responsibility to make sure people act like adults in response to seeing a screenshot of a discussion.

I still think this ban deserves more scrutiny, and this is kinda the only way to do it considering the ban appeal process has a very long waiting time.

[MattAtlas]

36 minutes ago, Zulu0009 said:

Also, Matt, if you have nothing good to say, don't say it. You are doing absolutely nothing constructive here aside from passive-aggressive if not outwardly aggressive jabs.

I mean, you're the one that threatened to leave. I'm just telling you that you should follow through with that.

[WickedCybs]

10 hours ago, Ambrose said:

The fact is, the omegatracing thing was completely isolated as well. I have a screenshot of when I precisely realized omegatracing was banned for what I thought was a silly reason, and it had nothing to do with Zulu: https://prnt.sc/OivUQdeUzdSG - the exact time I noticed the situation with omegatracing and went "That seems fuckin' weird". 

Something that's peculiar to me is that another Stars alt was banned recently, and they sent us a picture of them talking about it on a private Discord. I looked back at some of the other stuff that's been posted about this cord, including your own picture here now and identical role colours are being used between omega and the evader. 

I'll be re-stating stuff that's already been said here to an extent. It's known some people are prowling through the Discords trying to start problems. Zulu himself has said he posted pictures to a private discord. We know omega is outright trying to "rile up" others to act on his behalf and subsequently, a bunch of people who have no real recent activity and little community presence went in to talk about him. Now, it seems to be the case that Zulu is likely lying about not interacting with Stars and that stuff is being left out here.

I hope you can see further what I mean now when I say I'd really like to believe there's just been a series of coincidences, but the way It's all been stacking up makes it impossible to share that view. Your position would come off as a lot more reasonable if more care was taken by your friends in how they presented themselves.

 

LATE EDIT: In fairness, it was pointed out to me that colour is the Discord standard for a new one, but yours is still the same in both as well and you're talking about related subjects.

Edited March 13, 2023 by WickedCybs

[ReadThisNamePlz]

Hi, 

@Roostercat and I will be handling this complaint. 

Give us some time to read all of this and go through everything that's been presented. We ask that any further replies be succinct in nature. Thanks! 
 

[Zulu0009]

10 hours ago, WickedCybs said:

Zulu himself has said he posted pictures to a private discord.

10 hours ago, WickedCybs said:

Now, it seems to be the case that Zulu is likely lying about not interacting with Stars and that stuff is being left out here.

For fairness, I'm replying to this. I actually said that I sent a screenshot to someone specifically, not a private discord. Furthermore, I don't really talk to Stars, no. Every now and then we chat, but she's doing her own thing and I'm doing my own thing. I didn't know that she's still ban evading and I have nothing to do with it. I think the last time we actually talked was about Francisco Vazquez and his TV show? I don't really have any reason to help her ban evade or support her.

[Ambrose]

Cybs your post about stars existing doesn't prove anything considering it's two completely different things and stars was not involved with zulus case whatsoever. 

I'm not sure what kind of guilt by association you're trying to attempt here but this actually has no relevancy.

Zulu still DID NOT orchestrate ANYTHING.

[ReadThisNamePlz]

3 hours ago, Ambrose said:

Cybs your post about stars existing doesn't prove anything considering it's two completely different things and stars was not involved with zulus case whatsoever. 

I'm not sure what kind of guilt by association you're trying to attempt here but this actually has no relevancy.

Zulu still DID NOT orchestrate ANYTHING.

I don't think we'll need any further replies from you. Thank you for the input you've provided. If this changes, either I or @Roostercat will mention you directly. 

[Roostercat]

Hi. Me and Read have looked over all the evidence and whatnot, and we've come to a decision. 

 

You have an exceptional history when it comes to your behavior OOCly, and I'm afraid to say that it is almost entirely negative. From discord arguments like what happened here to elsewhere, you have problems getting along with people. That on its own supports your ban from discord as it is a recurring issue.

 

The crux here however is, of course, the brigading. 

 

To be blunt, I do not believe you are completely innocent from this. As Cybs pointed out, your friends joined at the exact same time, made it clear they know you and eachother, and then began randomly pushing into an argument they have more or less zero stakes in without someone else pulling them in. Originally, you contested this in the initial post with the following, 

 

On 12/03/2023 at 00:10, Zulu0009 said:

 

 

Yesterday, at like, 11 pm, I checked the Aurora Discords as I often do, to see if there's anything of note and to see news and updates. I checked the human-general channel on the lore server, and saw a discussion about whether Gadpathur is fascist or not. I thought it was a dumb discussion, so I took a screenshot, sent it to a friend and remarked about how pointless it was to sit there and argue whether the adjective "fascist" can be attached to something or not freely.

You state that you only sent this to a single person, and said this again later as well. But MULTIPLE people joined not too long after this gadpathur thing happened. The only feasible way this could have happened is by sending it into a group chat, or the others somehow became telepathic and sensed the argument taking place.

 

On 12/03/2023 at 07:06, Zulu0009 said:

Milsugio posted a total of two comments. Vitaeterna posted a few more but eventually stopped. Ambrose continued the discussion in a mature and acceptable way. Drop the harassment thing, it's not working. Show me actual messages that are harassment before you cry wolf that the Baddies harassed Schwann. They did not, and if Schwann feels they were harassed, they're free to post in this to make it clear they were. Also, you really want to use these screenshots? The first one is suspicious, sure, but the second one is a perfectly acceptable response to what was seen as a really rude reply by Schwann. The third screenshot is someone replying to someone else's message, so there's literally no correlation there. The fourth screenshot shows Ambrose and Vitaeterna interacting, but the post highlighted here seems like a reply related to what I said.

 

 

What happened absolutely counts as harassment in my eyes. It was multiple people flying in and throwing negative comments at human lore and surrounding Omega's ban out of nowhere whilst targeting specific people in an argument that, again, they have no stakes in since they are pretty much never around otherwise. I do not see a way in which this would not make Schwann and Matt feel harrassed/brigaded. The amount of comments is irrelevant, what matters is that it happened to begin with.

As Cybs also pointed out, Omega and Stars are clearly in a discord together that Omega used to rile people up. Ambrose is ALSO in this discord and there is a screenshot with you and other members of that server having the same role color. Ambrose is now also defending you here. Based off of that alone, it's pretty clear you are all in the same discord server and from that I find it extremely easy to see a parallel. Whether intentional or not, people came in because of what you posted in that discord.

 

In simpler terms, I think you are lying when it comes to not having anything to do with the other people that came in. Between the discord server, the people obviously knowing you and knowing exactly where the argument was and what it was about immediately after joining, and a very similar circumstance with another member of the aforementioned discord, I believe it impossible for you to simply be innocent in this. 

 

On top of all of that, your conduct OOCly is still horrible not counting the month gap in your activity. Even in your initial post, you only seem to take it half seriously and you continue to throw out insults and accusations throughout almost all of your responses here. This is not something that belongs in this community, especially not with the content of the complaint itself. You even start to take the argument elsewhere, saying you don't have time to waste on Cybs, or that Polaris and Bay are looking good this time of year.

 

For the verdict, I am going to let the ban stay in effect, which you can appeal in September. I do not see anything wrong with how Cybs handled this, either. You broke rules, you were banned.

If nobody has anything else to say, this will be locked and archived in 24 hours.