Guarantee of Staff Age

[Coalf]

16 hours ago, Zelmana said:

-quote to not busy up the thread with pictures-

7 hours ago, Shimmer said:

--quote to make this easier to read-

Both examples feature mistakes, yeah, you can fix them with Photoshop, but that's exactly my point. It takes effort. Like, the first example doesn't have the state of Indiana in the top left, and the second example garbles the word commissioner. Sure, those can be fixed in Photoshop. Maybe even running it through an AI more than once can fix it. But again, it takes effort. And the more someone has to edit something, the more liable they are to overlook mistakes in it. Not to mention, I acknowledge again and again, a 100% foolproof system does not exist. Cannot exist. Without breaching privacy to an insane degree. like yeah, I can go fake a discord message right now. Does that mean that discord messages should just never be trusted and it's never justified for someone to show their DM's since it's a breach of another person's privacy? Like, admins still make judgments on those.

Also, it would concern lettering, not faceswap ID. Showing both birthdate and face ID would, I think, be too much information. If the team wants it, they can.

The point is, the more information is available about an individual, the easier a judgment becomes. Yes, some 15-year-olds can show up with their dad's ID that says he's 35. Now we know he's supposed to be that age, does he behave that way? Do his linked accounts corroborate that? Maybe there have been messages in the past where he said he's 23 or 25. Younger people are not very likely to try and claim they are above 25. Again, it's more info, it's more effort, it adds to the admin arsenal. And again, this will be used on a very limited pool of users is what we have to remember. Two admins in here already claim they can, with 100% certainty, claim they know everyone in the team is above 18. As Zelm pointed out, we thought this too back in the day and ended up with mods that were as young as 13. If we had this system, I am confident some of them would have either not even tried to get on the team by faking it. Or would have made faulty fakes.

I do hope nothing like this happens. But it did. It can again. And if it does, I hope the bravado and jokes get y'all through that one, too.

Anyways, I'm just kind of answering the same questions in circles at this point. So I won't really reply unless a new one shows up.

[Zelmana]

It is definitely a concern and I in no way mean to dismiss some effort shouldn't be done to attempt to validate age by some means.
Because yeah- this has been an issue previously. I just can't think of a good way to verify someone beyond some effort. I know something that could dissuade this is whether or not someone passes for an age with their voice. I know that someone mentioned earlier in this thread that won't work, as they're mute, but.... surely that is a incredibly small likelihood and different ways can go about it.

But what is this asking? Are we asking that current staff somehow be audited? Is there a concern about certain staff behaving in ways that may indicate they're underage?

[Arrow768]

Closed as not wanted.
I (in my capacity as Aurora Host) have absolutely no interest in processing any sort of government ID card.