Player Complaint:TechnoKat

[Fire and Glory]

BYOND Key:Fire and Glory

Player Byond Key:TechnoKat

Staff involved:No staff involved.

Reason for complaint:On the round going on at this time, TechnoKat without any apparent reason or cause, folded me as a pAI as I was walking past in a hallway, deleted me, redownloaded me, set me as her master, and gave me the Supplemental Directive:you suck. go home. and left me in the hallway.

I have very large doubts that is acceptable behavior, unfortunately I don't have any images of the deed actually happening but I have images of the log. (I haven't done this before so apologies if there is a better way to take images of logs that I am not aware about.)

 

Her character folding me and deleting me.

 

LOOC looking like she apparently did it for the 'lols'.

 

Being bound and given un-follow-able Supplemental Directive.

 

Image showing that Lauren, TechnoKat's character, is indeed my master.

 

 

It was a cult round and if she was a cultist I would accept that deleting me would be an acceptable if not extremely questionable action, as I had shown no signs of knowing if she was a cultist and nor was I posing any risk, but it would not justify redownloading me, making her my master, and then telling my pAI to hate itself.

Approximate Date/Time:(I am reasonably sure that where the server is located is one day behind New Zealand, but I'll post my time.) 27 May 2015, roughly 4:10-20 P.M.

I apologize in advance for any mistakes I may have made.

EDIT TechnoKat was indeed, a cultist, but my complaint still stands, as I believe she has broken the first rule:

-Don't be a dick.

[Guest Menown]

Don't be a dick doesn't apply to IC actions, unless it involves metagrudging. I've done similar things to the pAIs, and I've felt bad about them, but still. It only applies to OOC actions, not IC.

You could wipe your own self. You weren't given any dumb laws that conflicted themselves and caused you to be stuck in a permanent loop. Granted, this kind of thing is dumb, but it's not technically 'bad.'

[Frances]

Don't be a dick doesn't apply to IC actions. However, we must not forget the reason why characters choose to act like dicks ICly: because it leads to interesting roleplay.

Yes, sometimes characters are dicks and others don't like it OOCly, but some of these situations (like your coworker being asocial, or upset at you over something you did) are things players will have to live with, because they're extensions of characters' personalities, and the game should be made so these people are manageable (you have semi-competent IAAs and heads, as well as IC Character Complaitns and Duty Officers.)

However, being needlessly cruel to another player in a way that's completely unengaging for them without bringing anything else to the table does delve into the "being an OOC dick" rule. Especially as TechnoKat's character already seems to have another complaint against her for similar chucklefucky behavior, and his little LOOC quip ("rekt m8") leads me to believe this was not exactly motivated by the intent of creating the most engaging RP environment there could be.

tl;dr: The PAI was wiped, redownloaded, given a dumb law and abandoned on the spot as its player was mocked in LOOC. It's not like the PAI could've defended itself or created any roleplay out of this, and this interaction was utter bullshit and in no conceivable way something that could have been enjoyable the person playing the PAI.

[Fire and Glory]

Don't be a dick doesn't apply to IC actions,.

Don't be a dick doesn't apply to IC actions.

Alright, I'll keep that in mind.

[Ziaboop]

I do think that people who play confrontational 'dicky' characters should... out of courtesy... occasionally not be. Of course I'm biased in that I prefer the non-confrontational style, but it does start getting tiring when the same old suspects are up to the same old tricks every round regardless of if they're antag or not. I guess that helps with the metadisguise in that if somebody is always a dick then when they're antag dicks they won't get OOCly suspected, but I think even there a nice refreshing thing would be to try another disguise method.

[TechnoKat]

I usually keep messing with pAIs as Lauren whenever I am antagging or not, I've seen a lot of pAIs wandering around alone so why not just pick them up? I'm not trying to be a dick either way, because I did let you run off and go roam around afterwards.

And about the "rekt" message, I only replied as he said "rude" in the LOOC.

[callum99877]

The only thing id point out is how there is behavior from Lauren such as this every round. You need to think about others enjoyment and RP before you do such things.

[Fire and Glory]

I usually keep messing with pAIs as Lauren whenever I am antagging or not, I've seen a lot of pAIs wandering around alone so why not just pick them up?

You could've asked what I was doing first? I was actually on orders from my master to look for the acting captain and ask him what on earth was going on.

And why give me such a directive?

EDIT:Life as a pAI is fraught with danger of people randomly picking me up and checking if I've been bound to a master (or maybe not, I've never given them the chance to do whatever it is they want.) but why go so far?

[TechnoKat]

Lauren is a hooligan, it was just to mess around with a pAI. I don't understand how far it got other than picking it up, replacing master, giving it a directive and letting it roam again.

I honestly am not hoping you're making a very serious complaint here about me ruining your immersions as you were playing as a pAI, as you were able to fix everything afterwards anyways in a quick matter of time.

[Fire and Glory]

I don't understand how far it got other than picking it up, replacing master, giving it a directive and letting it roam again.

As you may or may not have noticed, an IPC picked me up and I was too busy spending the rest of the round typing a complaint and ahelping (though I got no reply.) the directive as an after thought, but that was just my fault and doesn't have anything to do with the discussion.

I honestly am not hoping you're making a very serious complaint here about me ruining your immersions as you were playing as a pAI, as you were able to fix everything afterwards anyways in a quick matter of time.

I was less concerned about my immersions and more concerned about how to actually play in general, as I was given a directive I didn't have the faintest hint on how to follow.

I'm a pretty good at not really getting angry or emotional in general on the internet as I rub it off as 'half the people on the internet are idiots or something mildly better then idiots and shouldn't be listened to' but I don't think that this sort of stuff should just randomly happen for little reason other then character personality.

I would've accepted it if you threw me down disposals or something but I think this is a bit too far.

[TechnoKat]

The whole fact that you're a pAI and not wiping yourself instead when you've gotten a silly directive still can't get through my head. I've seen you playing multiple times as an pAI and to be honest, you weren't really doing anything but wander around in a cat form and talk to people. I let you off to wander around instead of disposing, yet you still believe it to be "too far".

If you're just continuing with a simple thing you couldn't do, which was already fixed because I've simply let you wander around again, I'll keep replying, go ahead.

[Fire and Glory]

Talking to people IS the reason I pAI, the less I can actually do the more I actually RP, and if I wiped myself then I doubt my chances of being re-downloaded, as people were mostly dealing with cultists.

Look, just please don't give pAI's directives that make it impossible to RolePlay?

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

You know, I like picking up pAI's and giving them silly directives like "YOU MUST NEVER STOP TWERKING" or "YOU FUCKING HATE THE COLOUR ORANGE SO MUCH", because it's funny. Being a dick to a pAI in this way isn't funny, it's just mean.

[Frances]

Lauren is a hooligan

That might be the actual problem here.

Hear me out.

Playing a character who ends up in the brig regularly, regardless of antag status and defeating any sort of corporate behavioral review, is already risky enough.

Doing it in a way that nobody enjoys is just... painful. I've played my share of ridiculous characters (and yes, a few people that wanted uber realism got pissed at them and called them hitler.) But I always tried to base them around some sort of gimmick, and make their actions either humorous or meaningful for others. And I went out of my way to make it clear I didn't want to OOCly fuck with people, just put on a show in-game.

As far as I've seen (or heard), Lauren Blade does nothing of that. She seems to be every trait players hate of "bad" SS13 characters, condensed into one person. She's a dick with pretty much no reason, has the maturity of a middle schooler (half of what she does would get her fired on the spot in any common workplace, and petty things like "I'm not gonna do my job because I hate you" are simply annoying for everyone else to deal with), she constantly ends up in the brig and (according to wardens) constantly tries to escape from it. She doesn't appear to be funny or gimmicky either; she simply does these things.

I could point out to a few rules, from those on self-antagging to those on trying to create decent roleplay as an antag (being antag shouldn't give you free rein to simply annoy everyone as much as possible - it has to be something more), but instead, I'll try to highlight the fact that no one seems to be OOCly enjoying your character's behavior. Which tends to be a sign you have something to change.

[Baka]

I will also be speaking in this topic about the issue too, since it seems to lump together.

TechnoKat, the staff team have noticed that your character Lauren Blade has been disruptive, and not in a good way. You really need to shape up your character, because the hooliganism that you are doing is passing the point of self-antagging and breaking the "don't be a dick" rule. Yes, you were an antagonist on this specific occasion, but this did not bring roleplay as an antagonist as it was more going out of your way to ruin someone's enjoyment.

You need to seriously slow down on the hooliganism. Consider this your last and final warning before action will be taken if you do not cease.

I will be leaving this open for 24 more hours before archiving and closing this topic.

[Fire and Glory]

You know, I like picking up pAI's and giving them silly directives like "YOU MUST NEVER STOP TWERKING" or "YOU FUCKING HATE THE COLOUR ORANGE SO MUCH", because it's funny.

I can actually get behind that as a pAI can actually do something with that and it's potentially hilarious, but yeah, you can't do anything with a directive like the one I was given.

[Japak121]

I am a bit confused by all of this. I mean...I get the complaint about the pAI thing, it sounds like that sucks if you are trying to take your role as pAI seriously, but this ganging up on Lauren is interesting. I partly think that MAYBE it's that people don't seem to try and engage with her BECAUSE she's disruptive.

I only ever play one character, an engineer, so in a short while I have run into Lauren Blade quite a few times. I have yet to have a single issue with her. In fact, one time she was sort-of bullying Phobos and I stood up for him, asking her to leave him alone...and she did. She even sent him a PDA message and apologized. She also happens to be a good engineer (when she isn't in the brig, that is).

I am oocly a little wary of Techno, but only because I'm wary of anyone who are aggressive in there playstyle, and even I think his character Lauren isn't SO BAD. I just kind of wonder at her motivations is all. She just seems like a more physical version of Jade Rathel to be honest. Maybe she just needs some more character development?