Coroner

[K0NFL1QT]

Now that the CSI is not allowed to do autopsies, and it's been stated that autopsies should and will remain in the jurisdiction of medical, I see no reason not to implement a Coroner alt-title now. Their sole duty is figuring out how people died. Window off the surgery table and put a windoor/table combo in the corridor wall so Sec can beg for autopsy reports through it.

EDIT:-

You'd also have to make sure the Detective and Forensic Tech don't have access anymore.

[witchbells]

This is a nice idea, except for one little part.

 

Window off the surgery table and put a windoor/table combo in the corridor wall so Sec can beg for autopsy reports through it.

 

The morgue is considered a secure area. There is no need nor should there be a little window where anyone able could have a peek inside, or possibly break in. This is especially dangerous with the risk of CMD.

[K0NFL1QT]

Put it somewhere that minimizes sight. You just need a way of handing over reports without having the even more unsecure method of people opening the door and walking in/out as they please.

[witchbells]

Add a requests console and fax autopsy reports to the CSI.

[K0NFL1QT]

That works. Didn't realise you could fax the CSI directly.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

This really seems like it would go the role of psychologist - restrict medbay players who like doing autopsies on top of healing work - with the additional drawback of taking up a medical slot. Autopsies aren't needed often enough to justify an entire alternate title; one that intrinsically declares that the coroner won't (and shouldn't) participate in general medical practice.

[Guest]

The CSI is still responsible for any autopsies related to criminal investigations, medical only handle autopsies for non-criminal investigations. If medical ever try to stop a CSI from doing an autopsy on a body, bitchslap them.

[Susan]

I play Coroner consistently in medical, and I am also of the opinion a dedicated job slot isn't required for it.

While I vehemently disagree with the ignorant and short-sighted argumentation that led to the gutting of the CSI's autopsy lab (I left it in, the map was edited after my final revision due to consistent bitching about 'm-muh ded bodies'), autopsies are not an important enough game mechanic to have a whole role dedicated to it. Just do what I do.

Raid the morgue and beat the shit out of any doctor who comes in and interrupts me :^)

[K0NFL1QT]

This really seems like it would go the role of psychologist - restrict medbay players who like doing autopsies on top of healing work - with the additional drawback of taking up a medical slot. Autopsies aren't needed often enough to justify an entire alternate title; one that intrinsically declares that the coroner won't (and shouldn't) participate in general medical practice.

 

The psychologist is a pure roleplay job. You have no actual tools. Just your words and knowledge of psychological methods of discerning the root cause of a persons mental problem, and then a way of bringing them out of it safely. It's unlikely to be a one-sitting fix, for players who can handle slow emotional developments to characters with complex and fleshed out histories. I do not see the cornoner in the same situation, at all.

Ideally a dedicated coroner would have just enough surgical tools to not only perform autopsies, but also to harvest organs from the recently deceased, and a container to store them. This would tie in nicely with the latest genetics rework. Organs for everybody, and avariety of sources! But you're right, they shouldn't be filling in for other doctors so no actual surgery access. A private crematorium could serve for when there's been a very sensitive death and cloning, of which any evidence of needs to be hidden as quickly and subtly as possible. And not to mention that a coroner would probably be the last chance of a dead player getting cloned, if nobody else up to that point has tried.

Before CSI lost their surgery table, I'd spend about half my time doing autopsies and spent most of my time hanging out in the morgue when it wasn't a sensitive body. Autopsies are extremely useful during some rounds, and time consuming, and have proved critical in discovering that a 'string of sudden deaths' are all related from a roleplaying perspective that's allowed Security to narrow their list of suspects in an entirely valid, non-metagame manner. But as CSI you might also have a heap of fingerprint cards and fibers to analyse. You could feasibly do both when you had your own table, but not now you have to go to another department completely to fulfill what is still considered part of their job.

Basically, Criminal Forensics and Pathology are actually two completely different specialisations that would require several years of study to achieve. Either accept that the CSI can and should be doing autopsies, and thus give them back their table, or commit to removing autopsies from their scope entirely and make the morgue viable for a dedicated job.

[Xelnagahunter]

Why not call something a Medical Examiner? They are a mix between forensic autopsies and general care of the deceased. They have to know anatomy and be knowledgeable enough to understand medical reasons for illness and the like, so they can serve as makeshift doctors with horrible bedside manner, just like the rest of medbay! It's not actually a bad idea for an alt-title or even a full job on it's own with limited medbay access and the like. Plus, they would be the go-to guy for organic organ replacement without having a biologist clone and grow organs.

[Baka]

The thing I don't get is that when we just had detectives, it was not a problem for them to come in and do autopsies, there was no real arguments that plain ol' detectives cannot do this because they are not coroners or medical examiners.

Depending on countries, you have to have some level of medical background, up to being a physician, with a combination of studying forensic science. However, a good chunk of coroners work as a police detective before, too.

I guess what I'm trying to say is let CSI and Forensic Techs do their job.

[Frances]

I'm fairly sure the CSI just lost their personal morgue, not the right to do autopsies at all.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Detective's can't and shouldn't do autopsies. It's a choice between the CSI and the medbay. Both of them have the ability and authority to do autopsies; it's a choice of who has the most free time available to do it. As CSI I've asked medbay to do an autopsy when I've had tits loads of evidence to sort, and did it myself when medbay was super busy. Sharing is caring.

[Susan]

The only kind of autopsies medical should be doing are clinical autopsies.

[K0NFL1QT]

Either accept that the CSI can and should be doing autopsies, and thus give them back their table, or commit to removing autopsies from their scope entirely and make the morgue viable for a dedicated job.

 

Bump. Because I check up on Aurora now and then. I still dislike the layout of the map, but I could live with it if my favorite role wasn't also gimped.