Garnascus Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 So we're allowed to kill people who speak another language over comms? Purrrrfect. And yes, Tajara could be widely discriminated, as you say. But I do not think that NanoTrasen would openly promote that, you won't be able to convince me of that. And Tajara were discovered and taken in about 100 years ago? So, I don't think that any current captain (this one in particular) would be in post before hand. No one wants a free pass, but being openly racist like that makes no sense in a professional setting. Discriminated or not If he had actually shot the tajarans then I or another mod would have bwoinked him
the_furry Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 So we're allowed to kill people who speak another language over comms? Purrrrfect. And yes, Tajara could be widely discriminated, as you say. But I do not think that NanoTrasen would openly promote that, you won't be able to convince me of that. And Tajara were discovered and taken in about 100 years ago? So, I don't think that any current captain (this one in particular) would be in post before hand. No one wants a free pass, but being openly racist like that makes no sense in a professional setting. Discriminated or not If he had actually shot the tajarans then I or another mod would have bwoinked him so as long as he doesn't kill the person he is free to shut down role play and make things as unpleasant as he wishes? I had no idea white listed players has so much free range to abuse their power.
the_furry Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 So we're allowed to kill people who speak another language over comms? Purrrrfect. And yes, Tajara could be widely discriminated, as you say. But I do not think that NanoTrasen would openly promote that, you won't be able to convince me of that. And Tajara were discovered and taken in about 100 years ago? So, I don't think that any current captain (this one in particular) would be in post before hand. No one wants a free pass, but being openly racist like that makes no sense in a professional setting. Discriminated or not If he had actually shot the tajarans then I or another mod would have bwoinked him so as long as he doesn't kill the person he is free to shut down role play and make things as unpleasant as he wishes? I had no idea white listed players has so much free range to abuse their power.
Garnascus Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 I have to agree with Furry. Whitelisted players are obligated to help expand roleplay, and furry was literally forced to sit in a tiny lab because of the captain. Not only that, but if racism and lore were meant to coincide with jobs and the function of the station so much, Taj wouldn't be heads, Unathi wouldn't be heads, sec, science, or anything outside of general bitch work because of everything going on right now in Unathi lore. I've already explained why I think "forced to sit in a tiny lab" is not a valid argument. Geneticists have ways of saving the powers and quickly and easily clearing their body of said powers in the event they can't leave the lab with powers. Its annoying yes and added work but reasonable given the character chaz chose to play.
Garnascus Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 I have to agree with Furry. Whitelisted players are obligated to help expand roleplay, and furry was literally forced to sit in a tiny lab because of the captain. Not only that, but if racism and lore were meant to coincide with jobs and the function of the station so much, Taj wouldn't be heads, Unathi wouldn't be heads, sec, science, or anything outside of general bitch work because of everything going on right now in Unathi lore. I've already explained why I think "forced to sit in a tiny lab" is not a valid argument. Geneticists have ways of saving the powers and quickly and easily clearing their body of said powers in the event they can't leave the lab with powers. Its annoying yes and added work but reasonable given the character chaz chose to play.
Garnascus Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Not neccesarily furry. Remember captains aren't above the law and if his calling tajarans cats and furballs he could be subject to brig time or even demotion because of it should security decide IC its over the line. Also sorry for any grammar mistakes I make. Typing on a tablet is unreliable at times.
Garnascus Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Not neccesarily furry. Remember captains aren't above the law and if his calling tajarans cats and furballs he could be subject to brig time or even demotion because of it should security decide IC its over the line. Also sorry for any grammar mistakes I make. Typing on a tablet is unreliable at times.
Nightmare Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) There are minor differences between Tajara beating up people for racism, and a loyalty implanted captain being racist. Just minor differences, with the main one being that fight between the people (tajara and racist) are 8/10 shut down by sec before they start. Or the two people can avoid each other. You cannot avoid a captain deciding that you are the one he decides to fuck with, which is why they are held to a standard. If you want to be racist fine, but being a racist captain who's job it is to keep the station under control I do not think is fine. And its going to be annoying if every single time I see this captain, we have to ask sec to arrest them for name slandering, which 9/10 they will probably not be arrested. And even if they are, then they get out of the brig, to go back to being racist and being /back/ in the brig. And that's assuming sec even decides to go against them Edited September 14, 2015 by Guest
Nightmare Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) There are minor differences between Tajara beating up people for racism, and a loyalty implanted captain being racist. Just minor differences, with the main one being that fight between the people (tajara and racist) are 8/10 shut down by sec before they start. Or the two people can avoid each other. You cannot avoid a captain deciding that you are the one he decides to fuck with, which is why they are held to a standard. If you want to be racist fine, but being a racist captain who's job it is to keep the station under control I do not think is fine. And its going to be annoying if every single time I see this captain, we have to ask sec to arrest them for name slandering, which 9/10 they will probably not be arrested. And even if they are, then they get out of the brig, to go back to being racist and being /back/ in the brig. And that's assuming sec even decides to go against them Edited September 14, 2015 by Guest
the_furry Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 I have to agree with Furry. Whitelisted players are obligated to help expand roleplay, and furry was literally forced to sit in a tiny lab because of the captain. Not only that, but if racism and lore were meant to coincide with jobs and the function of the station so much, Taj wouldn't be heads, Unathi wouldn't be heads, sec, science, or anything outside of general bitch work because of everything going on right now in Unathi lore. I've already explained why I think "forced to sit in a tiny lab" is not a valid argument. Geneticists have ways of saving the powers and quickly and easily clearing their body of said powers in the event they can't leave the lab with powers. Its annoying yes and added work but reasonable given the character chaz chose to play. Garna you are saying you can’t do anything with genetics outside of the lab. What is the point in getting the powers if the only thing you can do is literally sit in a tiny box with no one else. Also the only way to quickly clean any of this is to massively dose yourself with radiation which has a good potential of breaking limbs and knocking you out. So if I get the desire to walk out of my lab for a second I have to deal with that because a captain just wants to be a dick? No, it is not easy to clear the body as you suggest.
the_furry Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 I have to agree with Furry. Whitelisted players are obligated to help expand roleplay, and furry was literally forced to sit in a tiny lab because of the captain. Not only that, but if racism and lore were meant to coincide with jobs and the function of the station so much, Taj wouldn't be heads, Unathi wouldn't be heads, sec, science, or anything outside of general bitch work because of everything going on right now in Unathi lore. I've already explained why I think "forced to sit in a tiny lab" is not a valid argument. Geneticists have ways of saving the powers and quickly and easily clearing their body of said powers in the event they can't leave the lab with powers. Its annoying yes and added work but reasonable given the character chaz chose to play. Garna you are saying you can’t do anything with genetics outside of the lab. What is the point in getting the powers if the only thing you can do is literally sit in a tiny box with no one else. Also the only way to quickly clean any of this is to massively dose yourself with radiation which has a good potential of breaking limbs and knocking you out. So if I get the desire to walk out of my lab for a second I have to deal with that because a captain just wants to be a dick? No, it is not easy to clear the body as you suggest.
Garnascus Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Nightmare I do not feel this is the sort of situation a blanket statement can solve. I think it has to examined on a case by case basis as is often the call in heavy roleplay. In this case I feel the captains racism was fine however its possible i may find another situation NOT fine and go from there if I or other staff feel its escalating to an OOC issue or violating server rules. Essentially in saying its a complex issue and not easily solved.
Garnascus Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Nightmare I do not feel this is the sort of situation a blanket statement can solve. I think it has to examined on a case by case basis as is often the call in heavy roleplay. In this case I feel the captains racism was fine however its possible i may find another situation NOT fine and go from there if I or other staff feel its escalating to an OOC issue or violating server rules. Essentially in saying its a complex issue and not easily solved.
the_furry Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 Not neccesarily furry. Remember captains aren't above the law and if his calling tajarans cats and furballs he could be subject to brig time or even demotion because of it should security decide IC its over the line. Also sorry for any grammar mistakes I make. Typing on a tablet is unreliable at times. Really? That’s what your going to go with? Let’s take a raise of hands, how many people think the captain will ever be punished ic for doing anything short of just shooting a cat? Now let’s take a raise of hands of how many xenos are going to have an unfun time rping with this damn captain. This is whitelist abuse because he’s using his position of power to create an unfun time for a large majority of players.
the_furry Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 Not neccesarily furry. Remember captains aren't above the law and if his calling tajarans cats and furballs he could be subject to brig time or even demotion because of it should security decide IC its over the line. Also sorry for any grammar mistakes I make. Typing on a tablet is unreliable at times. Really? That’s what your going to go with? Let’s take a raise of hands, how many people think the captain will ever be punished ic for doing anything short of just shooting a cat? Now let’s take a raise of hands of how many xenos are going to have an unfun time rping with this damn captain. This is whitelist abuse because he’s using his position of power to create an unfun time for a large majority of players.
Garnascus Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Well in not sure furry. I've given myself clean SE's before with no issue and cleared all of my powers or if you don't want to deal with that ice also had success using 1u pills of ryetlyn.
Garnascus Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Well in not sure furry. I've given myself clean SE's before with no issue and cleared all of my powers or if you don't want to deal with that ice also had success using 1u pills of ryetlyn.
Garnascus Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 I agree furry the situation might be quite rare but not as rare as a racist captain.
Garnascus Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 I agree furry the situation might be quite rare but not as rare as a racist captain.
Contextual Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Not neccesarily furry. Remember captains aren't above the law and if his calling tajarans cats and furballs he could be subject to brig time or even demotion because of it should security decide IC its over the line. Also sorry for any grammar mistakes I make. Typing on a tablet is unreliable at times. Really? That’s what your going to go with? Let’s take a raise of hands, how many people think the captain will ever be punished ic for doing anything short of just shooting a cat? Now let’s take a raise of hands of how many xenos are going to have an unfun time rping with this damn captain. This is whitelist abuse because he’s using his position of power to create an unfun time for a large majority of players. Do not presume to know what the Duty Officers are working on, thank you very much. Now, your complaint boils down to this: "Eight mins into the round Chaznoodles as captain denied a signature for a permission for me to be outside of genetics after testing. For those that don’t know unless you get this signature you either spend the entire round cooped up in your lab or cooped up in the brig...His actions completely shuts down any potential of doing anything with genetics." Which is completely within his rights to do as a captain, although he is expected to defer to the Research Director on the matter.... which he later did, upon consultation. The only grounds you have in this situation is the fact that his character is racist. Which, is allowed.
Contextual Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Not neccesarily furry. Remember captains aren't above the law and if his calling tajarans cats and furballs he could be subject to brig time or even demotion because of it should security decide IC its over the line. Also sorry for any grammar mistakes I make. Typing on a tablet is unreliable at times. Really? That’s what your going to go with? Let’s take a raise of hands, how many people think the captain will ever be punished ic for doing anything short of just shooting a cat? Now let’s take a raise of hands of how many xenos are going to have an unfun time rping with this damn captain. This is whitelist abuse because he’s using his position of power to create an unfun time for a large majority of players. Do not presume to know what the Duty Officers are working on, thank you very much. Now, your complaint boils down to this: "Eight mins into the round Chaznoodles as captain denied a signature for a permission for me to be outside of genetics after testing. For those that don’t know unless you get this signature you either spend the entire round cooped up in your lab or cooped up in the brig...His actions completely shuts down any potential of doing anything with genetics." Which is completely within his rights to do as a captain, although he is expected to defer to the Research Director on the matter.... which he later did, upon consultation. The only grounds you have in this situation is the fact that his character is racist. Which, is allowed.
Baka Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 I want to actually see how DOs will handle this. Seems like a chance for them to get work.
Baka Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 I want to actually see how DOs will handle this. Seems like a chance for them to get work.
the_furry Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 Not neccesarily furry. Remember captains aren't above the law and if his calling tajarans cats and furballs he could be subject to brig time or even demotion because of it should security decide IC its over the line. Also sorry for any grammar mistakes I make. Typing on a tablet is unreliable at times. Really? That’s what your going to go with? Let’s take a raise of hands, how many people think the captain will ever be punished ic for doing anything short of just shooting a cat? Now let’s take a raise of hands of how many xenos are going to have an unfun time rping with this damn captain. This is whitelist abuse because he’s using his position of power to create an unfun time for a large majority of players. Do not presume to know what the Duty Officers are working on, thank you very much. Now, your complaint boils down to this: "Eight mins into the round Chaznoodles as captain denied a signature for a permission for me to be outside of genetics after testing. For those that don’t know unless you get this signature you either spend the entire round cooped up in your lab or cooped up in the brig...His actions completely shuts down any potential of doing anything with genetics." Which is completely within his rights to do as a captain, although he is expected to defer to the Research Director on the matter.... which he later did, upon consultation. The only grounds you have in this situation is the fact that his character is racist. Which, is allowed. Yes as a captain he has the right and ability to say no and shut down other crew member’s requests. As a whitelisted player he has a responsibility to encourage fun and interesting roleplay situations and saying no to the simplest requests for random reasons is counter intuitive to his responsibility and it is an abuse of that right. What don’t you get about this?? I am not upset that he is racist (I already stated that). The problem is he’s using racism as an excuse to abuse his whitelist power and shut down roleplay for crewmembers (which is an abuse of that right).
the_furry Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 Not neccesarily furry. Remember captains aren't above the law and if his calling tajarans cats and furballs he could be subject to brig time or even demotion because of it should security decide IC its over the line. Also sorry for any grammar mistakes I make. Typing on a tablet is unreliable at times. Really? That’s what your going to go with? Let’s take a raise of hands, how many people think the captain will ever be punished ic for doing anything short of just shooting a cat? Now let’s take a raise of hands of how many xenos are going to have an unfun time rping with this damn captain. This is whitelist abuse because he’s using his position of power to create an unfun time for a large majority of players. Do not presume to know what the Duty Officers are working on, thank you very much. Now, your complaint boils down to this: "Eight mins into the round Chaznoodles as captain denied a signature for a permission for me to be outside of genetics after testing. For those that don’t know unless you get this signature you either spend the entire round cooped up in your lab or cooped up in the brig...His actions completely shuts down any potential of doing anything with genetics." Which is completely within his rights to do as a captain, although he is expected to defer to the Research Director on the matter.... which he later did, upon consultation. The only grounds you have in this situation is the fact that his character is racist. Which, is allowed. Yes as a captain he has the right and ability to say no and shut down other crew member’s requests. As a whitelisted player he has a responsibility to encourage fun and interesting roleplay situations and saying no to the simplest requests for random reasons is counter intuitive to his responsibility and it is an abuse of that right. What don’t you get about this?? I am not upset that he is racist (I already stated that). The problem is he’s using racism as an excuse to abuse his whitelist power and shut down roleplay for crewmembers (which is an abuse of that right).
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