Player Complaint: Jackboot, Rev Round

[SierraKomodo]

BYOND Key: SierraKomodo

Player Byond Key: Jackboot

Staff involved: N/A

Reason for complaint: In a recent RP-Revolution round, Jackboot took over for doing custom RP-Rev directives as a duty officer, while also playing as a head of staff on the station. This complaint isn't about doing custom rp-rev directives itself, I've done that before to good effect. It's that he did this while also playing in round as a head of staff that would also have the responsibility of enforcing these directives.

The directives he sent in, I don't have exact copies of, but they basically amounted to 'Find, name, and kill 2 people and tell us or everyone is fired' Followed by 'Security, that previous message is false, stop command', and with me, as the AI, being told to have command staff loyalty implanted after they read faxxes that said loyalty implanted personnel only. The whole thing went downhill really fast after the first mentioned fax (I'll be filing a second complaint regarding the heads of staffs response to that).

I would prefer if, in the future, the DO that's handling a custom rev round/mutiny round is /not/ also an antag and/or head of staff, possibly just not in round ICly at all.

Approximate Date/Time: ~7 PM Pacific Standard, September 27, 2015

[Garnascus]

First off i want to say if love to see more and more duty officers take over the central command orders during rev rounds. Its awesome.

Second I feel like being a duty officer AND a head of staff during the same round is a bit over the line. Is there an explicit protocol for this? Was this at all whelped?

[SierraKomodo]

First off i want to say if love to see more and more duty officers take over the central command orders during rev rounds. Its awesome.

Second I feel like being a duty officer AND a head of staff during the same round is a bit over the line. Is there an explicit protocol for this? Was this at all whelped?

 

There was too much going on for me during the round between IC things, and the OOC backlash I got for obeying the directives I was sent; I didn't get an ahelp sent until the end of the round, where I was told it'd be best to file a thread.

As for an explicit protocol, DO's aren't allowed to respond to their own faxxes, or to any faxxes that involved them, and typically shouldn't do DO things as an antag. None of this is any actual written rules though, except the first part.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

I was the Chief Medical Officer and not involved in the enforcement of the directives. I stated multiple times the custom directive idea in DO chat both server and Skype, and pinged Scopes about it. I got absolutely no complaints despite having repeatedly (to you as well) stated I was the CMO.

The Directives sent to the bridge confidentially were marked as to be read only by loyalty implanted heads.

I took little IC action as the CMO to enforce anything. I just kept medbay functioning.

I understand that you don't trust me to not metagame when making custom directives for the crew, but I reject the idea that I need to be an assistant or ghost just to send a command report when literally no one brought up an issue with it when I repeatedly communicated every step of what I was doing in all available mediums.

[Garnascus]

That explanation seems pretty reasonable to me. Did sierra voice any concerns in DO chat?

[SierraKomodo]

That explanation seems pretty reasonable to me. Did sierra voice any concerns in DO chat?

 

I was playing AI in that round, which results in alot of text coming in/out and I tend to filter things out, like dochat and OOC (And some other things get by me as a result). It hadn't clicked in my mind he was sending these directives and serving as a head of staff at the same time until the round ended

[Guest]

See my post in the other thread. I'm really not up for repeating myself.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

He ignored three mediums of communication for 50 minutes. I think thats all that needs to be pointed out. But just in case: I can't read minds or predict when someone has a disagreement when they ignore me. The do chat even has my ic name next to my key to identify me.

I talked to gollee-san after the fact. Im not doing custom directives during these game modes when a head of staff. And I exclusively play command almost because ghosting is boring so these things will have to be done by someone else if we ever want it again.

[Guest]

I didn't ignore them, I was tied up with:

1.) KUNAI declaring lockdown (twice) on command staff for reading papers that were supposed to be for the eyes of the captain/the HoS.

2.) Loyalty implanting the Head of Personnel to stop the nonsense about the lockdown

3.) Getting pushed and pulled out of security business and into command drama over the directives that are arriving

4.) Being given conflicting information by command, security, and Central Command all at the same time.

Around the second time of the lockdown is where I got really sick of the premise behind being forced to loyalty implant every single person who sneezed around the makeshift directive. Oh, and the AI using ((DESE PARENTHESIS)) to retcon every single thing they've said because they constantly leapt to conclusions and didn't fully read the directives made by Jackboot. I 'ignored' them because I had absolutely no idea what to say in response, I was so astounded that command chat was primarily filled with constant OOC mistakes and misinterpretations.

Oh, and CC ordered the captain (I think?) to give the AI a corporate lawset, which in itself is so vague and nondescript about what it can get away with that it's a complete nightmare to work with. I don't personally really care about that detail, but I want to note that it added to the massive mess of confusion that led to self-antags releasing laughing gas in the hallways 5 minutes after I handed in my badge and gun.

I can't really stress how awful the round was, but I think it's more living proof that rev can't be made interesting on any account rather than the fault of any specific person here. It is VERY difficult to make rev work in a heavy RP scenario, and most people are going to hate it, HRP or not. Rev sucks, and you can't make it not objectively suck.

Anyway, another reason why I decided against communicating with CC is because of the last message that said "Screw everything we said, it was a security breach", because I was very close to messaging centcomm "WTF, please tell me what to do", but I was given enough reason IC to believe that communications with Central were compromised once that 'Quantum Relay Telecommunications breach' message also popped up taunting the heads of staff and attempting to provoke the revs.

I think this was just executed and planned (piss) poorly, and it can be done another time when people are up to it. I would really suggest you be careful with how you word the conditions of it for simplicity's sake.

If you're not making it very clear for what Command should be doing, then command is doomed to shoot itself in the foot and fall apart.

[cobracoco007]

They didn't make me I just saw that it fit with what command wanted and I thought it would help the revolution but then people seemed oocly upset icly and that made me feel bad so I back pedaled and screwed up a fuck ton but I think I saved it in the end next time I would just not make us have one order to start but instead escalate it have them give us innocents that they suspect that we have to jail and maybe kill with little evidence all in all I don't think anything worthy of punishment happend.

[cobracoco007]

They didn't make me I just saw that it fit with what command wanted and I thought it would help the revolution but then people seemed oocly upset icly and that made me feel bad so I back pedaled and screwed up a fuck ton but I think I saved it in the end next time I would just not make us have one order to start but instead escalate it have them give us innocents that they suspect that we have to jail and maybe kill with little evidence all in all I don't think anything worthy of punishment happend.

[hivefleetchicken]

So should I just go or do you guys still need me

 

I need you to keep supplying winky faces as butthurt cure supplements.

And welcome back Delta, we missed you XOXOXOXOXO

Anyways, I'd like to thank Jackboot straight from my heart for mitigating a round to be both fun, engaging, AND consistent with our antag lore. The fact that he was a head and didn't spawn in a phazon to help enforce directives is good enough for me, and anything less than that is a pretty ridiculous standard to enforce. You guys are literally discouraging people from the thought that you can play to lose and create conflict for yourself using your powers in order to make everyone else have a more interesting time. I understand a lot of people here only derive satisfaction from WINNING since the game is just 'no fun' to you anymore, oy vey, but why do we get upset again when someone plays a role that they could possibly abuse, and they end up doing it without being abusive?

The fact that they could have abused it at all just pisses people off that much?

"Oh, we elected this guy as president and put him at the head of our nation while he had the power to veto any laws and regulations! I know he didn't abuse it at all, but he still put himself in a position where he could create laws and THEN enforce them! How could he ever put himself in a position where that would be possible? How could he DO THIS to his family?"

Like am I going fucking crazy as fuck or are we literally making a complaint about the hypothetical situations of playing an enforcre role while using admin powers to encourage RP

[CakeIsOssim]

Revolution is meant to be crew vs. command staff, not station vs. central command. If central command intervenes too much, it becomes the latter because command staff will always defer blame to their own orders, and not their own actions, even if they're loyalty implanted. What was ordered by central command and how the command staff responded should have been some sort of custom event, not a revolution round. An event where, perhaps, the station does disobey central command on purpose.

 

What I was getting at here is the fact that it would be very difficult to revolt against central command without special things going on that would have to involve admins. It would've been cool, but 1. I don't think that was the plan here, and 2. It was executed poorly. Another thing; I'm almost certain Duty Officers are not meant to act as antagonists (Revolution is meant to be crew vs. command staff, not station vs. central command). Maybe with special permission? Jackboot already stated that something like this won't happen again unless someone else does it.

Really, the only problem that I see here is that the Duty Officer was also playing in command. Given, they said that they hardly did anything other than operate medical, but I still think that ordering your own character around is not okay.

 

Anyways, I'd like to thank Jackboot straight from my heart for mitigating a round to be both fun, engaging, AND consistent with our antag lore. The fact that he was a head and didn't spawn in a phazon to help enforce directives is good enough for me, and anything less than that is a pretty ridiculous standard to enforce. You guys are literally discouraging people from the thought that you can play to lose and create conflict for yourself using your powers in order to make everyone else have a more interesting time. I understand a lot of people here only derive satisfaction from WINNING since the game is just 'no fun' to you anymore, oy vey, but why do we get upset again when someone plays a role that they could possibly abuse, and they end up doing it without being abusive?

The fact that they could have abused it at all just pisses people off that much?

"Oh, we elected this guy as president and put him at the head of our nation while he had the power to veto any laws and regulations! I know he didn't abuse it at all, but he still put himself in a position where he could create laws and THEN enforce them! How could he ever put himself in a position where that would be possible? How could he DO THIS to his family?"

Like am I going fucking crazy as fuck or are we literally making a complaint about the hypothetical situations of playing an enforcre role while using admin powers to encourage RP

 

There's nothing wrong with going out of your way to make the round more interesting for others, but there are many wrong ways to do it.

All in all, I suppose that, really, the only real issue with any of this is how it was executed. I don't see the point in taking much official action over it.

[Garnascus]

It seems to me there was an unfortunate communication issue with sierra being bogged down with AI chat and jackboot making a good faith effort to be transparent that he was playing in the round. In the future this can only be solved by better communication as I do not believe anyone is at fault here. I will lock and archive this in 24 hlura.