Furry/Firstact (Rasul and Safiya Character Complaint)

[Guest Menown]

BYOND Key: Meowness

Player Byond Key: Firstact, XXTheFurryXx.

Staff involved: Bluespace Cat, Tainavaa. (Ahelped round after to get the logs.)

Reason for complaint: Poor RP, Unbecoming Conduct of a Whitelisted Player in Regard to their whitelist.

Approximate Date/Time: 02:10:22(?), 30SEP2015

I will start off by saying I am not looking for punishment. Merely looking to have these two understand what they did, and why it should change, due to what occurred.

This complaint is based on the items located within this link, http://puu.sh/kthsT/32c4b8655b.txt

Both Rasul and Safiya has been part of a round where a plasma fire had occurred in the holodeck, something that claimed the lives of I believe four or five crew members, as well as Rasul. Rasul had been retrieved by somebody(not sure who) and was cloned. Other members of the crew were left to perish in the fire, while Rasul was saved. The fire had breaches the entire civilian area, and caused adjoining hallways to be superheated to the point where the several mentioned deaths occurred, so an evacuation was forced.

While at the Odin (Apparently these two had stayed behind, what I originally thought was them at Odin, occurred on the Aurora), there was very little mention, nor reaction from the two over what occurred. Nothing in regard to concern for the people that got left behind, the fact that they almost died, or the fact that many members of the crew had died. Instead, they jumped right to dancing, playing with their tails, nuzzling each other, and talking of mating, mates, ect. General things that if an observer were to witness, would likely do little more than show them as two Tajara ignoring RP to pursue their relationship, something that's brought Tajara into a bad light as a "furry" race, that many believe exists to do little more than serve a fetish or for ERP material.

As we had many observers toward the end (given the deaths), several people saw these two, and made note of their RP, most commonly the fact that even though there was a fire, these two decided to get hot on their own accord.

EDIT> Clarified the titles. It's a character complaint, not player.

Edited September 30, 2015 by Menown

[Contextual]

Note that the two in question did not make the escape shuttle. By round's end, neither had left the Aurora.

[Guest Menown]

Note that the two in question did not make the escape shuttle. By round's end, neither had left the Aurora.

 

I had clicked respawn to do some things, so I wasn't aware of this. These two stayed aboard a flaming hell hole and did this, without any worry for their safety then.

[SierraKomodo]

As a quick note, parts of that log (Not all of it though) were radio transmissions on science of them talking with Miraj. Mainly the parts about owing dinner and such.

[Guest]

I partook in that round, and it was literally hellish. Half of the station's surviving staff were either at least SINGED or in critical condition. Many others were infected with a level 5 viral outbreak that resulted in projectile vomiting and violent sneezing. Personnel still aboard the aurora were trapped in slowly heating rooms behind fire doors with little hope of rescue within a reasonable time frame. Most central hallways were heated to 2,000+ degrees celsius. The idea that this kind of nuzzling and casual conversation could happen in those kinds of circumstances is bizarre to me.

[the_furry]

Wow I can’t believe this is a thing. Like, do I really need to take time to defend this? *sighs* fine, to start fact check, safi stayed behind because she wanted to save lives, she was the only doctor that stayed behind and ended up saving three or four people. She did it because medical was secured and she told an engineer to bring all the dead and dieing to her so she can save them. She did it because she cared more about her friends and crew than her own life.

So that explains why she stuck around, and no she didn’t stick around cause she wasn’t concerned about the fire. The logs don’t show a lot of the real rp I did during this time and I was in serious RP all the way up until the shuttle left and reached odin. Rasul was cloned after the shuttle had already left the station and everyone was on odin. Hell, the message popped up saying the server was restarting on 60 seconds. That’s when I stopped being super serious RP and took a moment to breath. The round was over, the only reason the silliness continued was because the admins delayed the round end for 35 mins. So we sat around with nothing to do while waiting for the admins to restart the server at any moment.

*sighs* so there you have it. The round was over, it literally didn’t matter as long as we didn’t create attack logs. And if you want to argue that we should maintain serious rp all the way till round end then explain to me why a DO can do this “ I showed everyone the complaints department on the odin, and emagged the doors because I was too lazy to spawn as a DSO”.

We don’t take the end of round that seriously and that’s what this is. meow I can see your complaint if this was in the middle of the round or if the shuttle hadn’t left yet, I would happily take this criticism if that was the case. But come on, this was the end of the round and we were sitting around waiting for the admins to restart the server.

*edit*

Like of all the sillyness I've seen done by countless other players countless other times while at odin...this is what gets the complaint?

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

then explain to me why a DO can do this “ I showed everyone the complaints department on the odin, and emagged the doors because I was too lazy to spawn as a DSO”.

*edit*

Like of all the sillyness I've seen done by countless other players countless other times while at odin...this is what gets the complaint?

 

Someone did something silly, and that justifies bad behavior? Safiya just watched someone die and hauled their lifeless corpse into a machine that made a copy of them, after a fire gutted her workplace and killed droves of people. Why would she casually flirt with the guy with his corpse presumably nearby? It's extremely creepy. You can't just disregard the entire situation to get a cuddle buddy. There are mediums outside of the server that let you do this.

[Jboy2000000]

Whats the problem again? Its not like either of them were actually ERPed, or Safi locked herself away from the station to talk and make fun with Rasul, she kept doing her job. I know if I worked somewhere, and a giant fire killed more than a few people, Id want someone to talk to, cuddle with to take my mind from the horror after the shock stopped. Now, realistically, that would take more than a few minute, but hey, we're playing a roleplay game on a timer here, there has to be some leeway for time and fun. People always say that disaster and antags can bolster roleplay, but when people actually take a chance with a disaster to actually roleplay people trying to comfort each other in wake of it, its complained about?

[Frances]

Whats the problem again? Its not like either of them were actually ERPed, or Safi locked herself away from the station to talk and make fun with Rasul, she kept doing her job. I know if I worked somewhere, and a giant fire killed more than a few people, Id want someone to talk to, cuddle with to take my mind from the horror after the shock stopped.

they ignored the evac of their destroyed workplace to flirt tho

like in full honesty they would legit die, your space station gets evacuated by a fire it'll probably be a few days before anyone comes to check in again

[Jboy2000000]

If you bothered to read Furry's defense, they stayed behind because there were more people that needed help, and I doubt they were the only two non-SSD people to stay behind.

[Frances]

Thanks for pointing it out.

Well, huh. I guess if all the other RP is done and there's nobody left but ghosts to complain about this I actually don't really see why anyone should give a damn. It's not like it has any effect on anyone besides these two players.

Ignore me, then.

[Shadow]

Alright, let's wait for Firstact's response before we continue here.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

If you bothered to read Furry's defense, they stayed behind because there were more people that needed help, and I doubt they were the only two non-SSD people to stay behind.

 

If she was selflessly staying behind to help people why was she flirting with a regenerated corpse and not, you know, helping people???

And as someone who's actually been through a disaster situation I can sure tell you hugs and kisses is like number zero on the things people need during and after it.

[Guest]

I'd have to agree with Jackboot here.

I've personally seen Safiya get gratuitously snuggly with some other faceless Tajaran in a similar situation to this one. I would also make mention to Safiya's medical records, which make an awkwardly-worded mention to their 'healthy' sexual activity for some reason. :/

There are a hundred ways to execute this in a less... creepy fashion? Yeah, we'll go with that, but I don't think Furry has really made an effort to change that.

Dunno about firstact, he's not the first person that comes to mind about 'weird RP' stuff.

At most that I can say, I think the theme that furry is trying to establish with their character is a little too inappropriate. It's l-lewd enough to drive players away, for that matter, and make judgments on the Tajaran race as a whole.

Although I don't necessarily hold a Tajaran whitelist, I think Furry has misrepresented what a Tajaran should be in terms of roleplay and gameplay.

Edited September 30, 2015 by Guest

[Jboy2000000]

Why would you expect a geneticist to go out into a mostly destroyed station? They were waiting for an engineer to come and bring them bodies, like they said. And so what if if cuddles and snuggles are priority none? Its not like they're hardened and disaster trained. To me, this complaint just seems really stupid, its like saying that RP should be be thrown way back in priority during a disaster, even if you're not currently helping or dealing with the disaster at that moment. If thats the case, maybe someone should write a list of what you can and can't use as a roleplay topic whenever the station is in a state of dismay.

[Guest]

I'm pretty sure everyone is holding the expectation that someone would prefer evacuation from a literal hellhole over cuddling with the bae in a place that could possibly run out of air and food in the next couple days. You know, to survive?

I also think that everyone is within the opinion that there are moments when a certain tone of roleplay is appropriate as well as when it is not. There is a time and place for just about everything.

There are other mediums for this sort of thing, as Jackboot has said, and the server really should not be one of them.

[the_furry]

I really like how my comments are completely ignored (scratch that France payed attention). You guys are acting like I did this in the middle of the round. I was the only one to stay behind and the round had ended. The 60 second restart was announced. Why is this a problem? I’m waiting for an admin to make a judgement on this complaint before I continue this dialog least it devolve into retardation like the last one did.

[Guest]

I really like how my comments are completely ignored (scratch that France payed attention). You guys are acting like I did this in the middle of the round. I was the only one to stay behind and the round had ended. The 60 second restart was announced. Why is this a problem? I’m waiting for an admin to make a judgement on this complaint before I continue this dialog least it devolve into retardation like the last one did.

 

Maybe because it's hard to take you seriously, due to how you've accused several people of metagrudging in the past?

[SierraKomodo]

I'm pretty sure everyone is holding the expectation that someone would prefer evacuation from a literal hellhole over cuddling with the bae in a place that could possibly run out of air and food in the next couple days. You know, to survive?

 

Just going to counter this by saying that when Rasul was cloned, the evacuation shuttle had already left the station. I /think/ we were already on the Odin for that matter when he got back on radio to talk with Miraj, so there wasn't really anywhere to evacuate to at that point. Plus, there's still the matter that the round was effectively over. I was on the Odin messing around more than doing any legitimate RP, like taking people on a tour of the Odin, showing them the 'complaints department' (A door that leads into space. No, it wasn't grief - Odin is unsimulated so there's no airflow and nobody was dumb enough to jump out. Except me.).

[Guest]

Alright, that's a fair explanation as to why they stayed behind, although it does seem a little too convenient.

I'll back off now, I've said my piece.

[Shadow]

Right, so. Personally I need to agree with Sierra and furry. The round was effectively over, people do silly things when the round is over.

However, I'd like to hear Firstact's side of the story.

[firstact]

I honestly don't see why I would even have to defend myself about the constant complaining about Rasul. Does anyone complain about Jo'Zah, D'Jar, Na'Khar, Jihani or any other one of my characters at all? I fail to even see how this is "unbecoming of a tajaran whitelist" when all I have done is roleplay characters with pretty reasonable/realistic standards, motives, and emotions. If there is one thing I know from admin experience for years, it's that one single incident does not define a player.

In every single complaint, formal or not, the person making it pays attention only to the incident and not the situation surrounding it. I don't even have to explain it because everyone else has already done so ahead of me. End of round, oocly really damn tired, oocly also really irritated at something, and ICly figured/told we would be safe in a single area if they just stayed there. Also IC, wondering how to pass time and since he's a very caring person, trying to make sure his only friend he has contact with remains happy. There, I highly doubt I really need to state any other reasons why a single, isolated, insignificant little incident should really not have someone blow up about it.

Do I really need to say more?

[EvilBrage]

If nothing else, now we've got a solid reminder if this sort of thing crops up on a daily basis, as opposed to "I never did that" and nobody being able to state the contrary.

[Frances]

If nothing else, now we've got a solid reminder if this sort of thing crops up on a daily basis, as opposed to "I never did that" and nobody being able to state the contrary.

Yeah, but is it honestly so different from the way some human characters also constantly flirt? I feel like it's being considered differently because "ew, furries", but it's really not a species issue imo. Tajarans being cunts to people and constantly playing the species card is something that should involve their whitelist, but simply flirting shouldn't, unless they're openly looking for sex on the station erry day and it gets really ridiculous in some other way.

[Shadow]

This is going a bit off topic.

Anyway, please don't post here unless you were involved.

 

Only post if involved. If you are not a moderator or administrator and were not involved in the incident(s) referred to, you may not post or reply to a player complaint regarding said incident(s).