Medical shuttle.

[Jakers457]

So, have you ever found yourself trying to drag all the wounded to the shuttle? Only to have ignorant crew members push the roller beds away from you, as they blindly push their way into the escape? Well here is a solution.

Wouldn't it make more sense to have a medical shuttle on standby at medbay, to transfer critical patients? I mean, it could have a couple of cryo tubes and some pods, along with space for the beds and the medical crew. That way, the doctors can easily load up the patients into the shuttle without leaving anyone behind.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Or we could just make a rule stating that anyone who blindly pushes roller beds or forces their way into the shuttle and ends up just switching places over and over and over again with you while you try to get to your patient gets gibbed.

[Farcry11]

Or we could just make a rule stating that anyone who blindly pushes roller beds or forces their way into the shuttle and ends up just switching places over and over and over again with you while you try to get to your patient gets gibbed.

 

Help, help, I'm being repressed!

[Erik Tiber]

Just borrow some pepper spray from Sec and go Officer Pike on their asses.

Or make it SOP for medical personnel and patients to board the shuttle first.

[Frances]

I can tell you why I think the medical shuttle should be a no, imo.

Both ICly and OOCly, the medbay should never have to deal with a lot of patients at once.

ICly, the Aurora's medbay is a well-equipped, but still small medical outpost on a station that has to deal with a wide array of potential dangers. The word of order here is "be prepared", not expect shit. Since there should never be a medical holocaust, it's unlikely the medbay would end up filled with patients under normal circumstances, which is probably why it doesn't deserve the logistics of having its own shuttle for transport.

OOCly, medical holocausts shouldn't happen. Treatments happen fairly quickly, which means patients should not pile up in medbay if doctors do their jobs right. Additionally, events that end up fucking up a lot of people should not be common (we're heavy-rp, so deaths and injuries tend to be a lot less frequent, and more meaningful), and if something causes 5-6+ people to end up as medbay patients at once, it'll usually fuck up the station as a whole enough that having a dedicated medbay shuttle will be a moot (or very minor) point.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

I can tell you why I think the medical shuttle should be a no, imo.

Both ICly and OOCly, the medbay should never have to deal with a lot of patients at once.

ICly, the Aurora's medbay is a well-equipped, but still small medical outpost on a station that has to deal with a wide array of potential dangers. The word of order here is "be prepared", not expect shit. Since there should never be a medical holocaust, it's unlikely the medbay would end up filled with patients under normal circumstances, which is probably why it doesn't deserve the logistics of having its own shuttle for transport.

OOCly, medical holocausts shouldn't happen. Treatments happen fairly quickly, which means patients should not pile up in medbay if doctors do their jobs right. Additionally, events that end up fucking up a lot of people should not be common (we're heavy-rp, so deaths and injuries tend to be a lot less frequent, and more meaningful), and if something causes 5-6+ people to end up as medbay patients at once, it'll usually fuck up the station as a whole enough that having a dedicated medbay shuttle will be a moot (or very minor) point.

 

There are soooo many rounds where there are corpses just laying all over the station, or otherwise a bunch of casualties. This shuttle idea is based on the fact that many times this is due to there being too few doctors in medbay in general. I can't really get hyped up about it - my only counter-suggestion would be a medbay-access only airlock for the shuttle that doctors could open to wheel in their patients. Perhaps it circles all the way around to the other side of the shuttle and plops them directly into the little shuttle medbay room?

[K0NFL1QT]

Or make it SOP for medical personnel and patients to board the shuttle first.

 

That might actually be a good idea. Followed by any prisoners, so they can be safely secured in the shuttle-brig, without getting pushed free by eager crew. I usually try and wait 'til last if I have to drag a scumbag on board, so they don't get accidentally released. So, second after accompanied patients or last after crew, but some guideline would be great.

[Jakers457]

I doubt people will take the SOP into account when they rush the shuttle and trample the medical staff. I mean, if a small shuttle would suffice for the medbay, the fact there doesn't appear to be a escape pod for the medbay at the very least, seems questionable to me. Though we could argue that medical holocausts shouldn't happen but we have to take into account that the station is a glorified oil rig. It's soul purpose is to mine for plasma, and then do stupid things with it to find out how they can monopolize it further. So accidents would, in theory, happen a lot... especially when there are asteroid belts and 'radiation belts' in it's orbital path. So a means to keep critical patients separate from the crew during evacuation would make sense, especially from an IC point of view.

I mean if you remain adamant on the medical shuttle being unnecessary, then someone better remodel the escape shuttle because that design bottlenecks people and stops the flow of 'traffic' which doesn't make a lick of sense for an escape shuttle. I mean, get a brutalist architect on the job, they'd probably give you the best design.

So either, a medical shuttle for patients or a remodeled escape shuttle.

[Dea Tacita]

(we're heavy-rp, so deaths and injuries tend to be a lot less frequent, and more meaningful), and if something causes 5-6+ people to end up as medbay patients at once, it'll usually fuck up the station as a whole enough that having a dedicated medbay shuttle will be a moot (or very minor) point.

 

Not arguing with you, But Rad storms alone tend to flood Medbay due to the sheer amount of SSD people. And that doesn't really fuck the station, It's also a rather slow process to clear them up. As only 2 cryotubes are available and sleepers refuse to inject anti-tox if they're below certain health.

[Frances]

I doubt people will take the SOP into account when they rush the shuttle and trample the medical staff. I mean, if a small shuttle would suffice for the medbay, the fact there doesn't appear to be a escape pod for the medbay at the very least, seems questionable to me. Though we could argue that medical holocausts shouldn't happen but we have to take into account that the station is a glorified oil rig. It's soul purpose is to mine for plasma, and then do stupid things with it to find out how they can monopolize it further. So accidents would, in theory, happen a lot... especially when there are asteroid belts and 'radiation belts' in it's orbital path. So a means to keep critical patients separate from the crew during evacuation would make sense, especially from an IC point of view.

I mean if you remain adamant on the medical shuttle being unnecessary, then someone better remodel the escape shuttle because that design bottlenecks people and stops the flow of 'traffic' which doesn't make a lick of sense for an escape shuttle. I mean, get a brutalist architect on the job, they'd probably give you the best design.

So either, a medical shuttle for patients or a remodeled escape shuttle.

There are no efficient large-scale medical evacuation measures set in place because accidents are not something to be expected frequently, ICly. The transfer shuttle is just, a transfer shuttle. It's the train you board every night to get back home from work - the small medical room with two sleepers is more than enough to take care of any emergencies; it's not an ambulance ship.

OOCly, it's not a problem I've really observed. Boarding is always a bit of a pain - but that's mostly because of people not organizing themselves decently and being mindful of everyone else's space. And again, it very, very rarely happens that medical gets multiple patients that need transportation while a crew transfer occurs.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

I doubt people will take the SOP into account when they rush the shuttle and trample the medical staff. I mean, if a small shuttle would suffice for the medbay, the fact there doesn't appear to be a escape pod for the medbay at the very least, seems questionable to me. Though we could argue that medical holocausts shouldn't happen but we have to take into account that the station is a glorified oil rig. It's soul purpose is to mine for plasma, and then do stupid things with it to find out how they can monopolize it further. So accidents would, in theory, happen a lot... especially when there are asteroid belts and 'radiation belts' in it's orbital path. So a means to keep critical patients separate from the crew during evacuation would make sense, especially from an IC point of view.

I mean if you remain adamant on the medical shuttle being unnecessary, then someone better remodel the escape shuttle because that design bottlenecks people and stops the flow of 'traffic' which doesn't make a lick of sense for an escape shuttle. I mean, get a brutalist architect on the job, they'd probably give you the best design.

So either, a medical shuttle for patients or a remodeled escape shuttle.

There are no efficient large-scale medical evacuation measures set in place because accidents are not something to be expected frequently, ICly. The transfer shuttle is just, a transfer shuttle. It's the train you board every night to get back home from work - the small medical room with two sleepers is more than enough to take care of any emergencies; it's not an ambulance ship.

OOCly, it's not a problem I've really observed. Boarding is always a bit of a pain - but that's mostly because of people not organizing themselves decently and being mindful of everyone else's space. And again, it very, very rarely happens that medical gets multiple patients that need transportation while a crew transfer occurs.

 

IC'ly, as unlikely as NT thinks a disaster is going to be, there will still be things like evacuation drills and contingencies put in place for emergencies. I myself did evacuation drill as a Head (but stopped because it was too risky without cycling airlocks).

But that's all revolving around the idea that people will follow SoP at round end: they really wont. Without a medical airlock to get on the shuttle doctors will either have to remain on the station to treat casualties or fight with the rest of the crew to get on.

[Frances]

IC'ly, as unlikely as NT thinks a disaster is going to be, there will still be things like evacuation drills and contingencies put in place for emergencies. I myself did evacuation drill as a Head (but stopped because it was too risky without cycling airlocks).

But that's all revolving around the idea that people will follow SoP at round end: they really wont. Without a medical airlock to get on the shuttle doctors will either have to remain on the station to treat casualties or fight with the rest of the crew to get on.

Except people can get on fine, and I've never seen people fail at getting onto the shuttle because it was too crowded? (It's been difficult at times, but again, that's to be expected. It's not very different from a real-life situation.) Give me an example, if you have one?

I don't see why NT would spend the resources to retrofit the medbay with its own shuttle when the general one serves its purpose just fine.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

IC'ly, as unlikely as NT thinks a disaster is going to be, there will still be things like evacuation drills and contingencies put in place for emergencies. I myself did evacuation drill as a Head (but stopped because it was too risky without cycling airlocks).

But that's all revolving around the idea that people will follow SoP at round end: they really wont. Without a medical airlock to get on the shuttle doctors will either have to remain on the station to treat casualties or fight with the rest of the crew to get on.

Except people can get on fine, and I've never seen people fail at getting onto the shuttle because it was too crowded? (It's been difficult at times, but again, that's to be expected. It's not very different from a real-life situation.) Give me an example, if you have one?

I don't see why NT would spend the resources to retrofit the medbay with its own shuttle when the general one serves its purpose just fine.

 

I was trying to figure out a way to ask without sounding confrontational, let's see how this one goes:

Do you play medical, often? On a full server it's very hard to get on/off the shuttle because no one uses 'help' intent. Several times Greg Ryan has been on the verge of flashing down the horde of 'disarm' intended people preventing me from moving out to get another wounded person inside simply due to my growing OOC irritation. A simple medical-access hallway would be great, since I could avoid the huffle-scuffles. I'll have to play medical more often and screenshot the situations we get into...

[Frances]

Do you play medical, often? On a full server it's very hard to get on/off the shuttle because no one uses 'help' intent. Several times Greg Ryan has been on the verge of flashing down the horde of 'disarm' intended people preventing me from moving out to get another wounded person inside simply due to my growing OOC irritation. A simple medical-access hallway would be great, since I could avoid the huffle-scuffles. I'll have to play medical more often and screenshot the situations we get into...

I think the problem you described is more of a general annoyance. Is it more difficult to get through a crowd of people when carrying someone on a roller bed? Certainly. But I wouldn't say it's impossible, and it still doesn't really make sense ICly for medical to have their own shuttle given the size of medbay (do note that no one else has their own shuttle, and escape pods are more of a leftovers from crew transfers being recoded from evacuations).

[LetzShake]

My suggestion then, is to rework the escape shuttle a little. Rather than having that cargo door which is never used for anything besides a second door, and for idiots who INSIST on bringing their Ripley onto the shuttle, make that second door the medical entrance to the shuttle.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

My suggestion then, is to rework the escape shuttle a little. Rather than having that cargo door which is never used for anything besides a second door, and for idiots who INSIST on bringing their Ripley onto the shuttle, make that second door the medical entrance to the shuttle.

 

I fully support this. Cargo being medical entrance would be extremely convenient. Perhaps actually moving the medical area to where cargo is, for added convenience/safety. Just this round we had to treat a crit, and everyone was swarming and making it hard to get to him.

[LetzShake]

It's not a rare occurence either. Good RP seems to stop, for most people, when the shuttle leaves the station. This means sometimes dragging a dying person to cryo on Centcom or treating them on the shuttle leads to getting shoved around like you're a schoolgirl on the Japanese train system. I'd say move the medical section to the other door and either do away with the cargo room entirely or move it to the other side.

We could say change SOP to let medical off first but it'll go ignored and unenforced, honestly. This is a concrete change and one that makes legitimate sense. ESPECIALLY if you consider that it's possible the shuttle could be called during a quarantine situation and this way you could get sickies on board without exposing them to the crew.