Player Complaint - Madpredar3

[ForgottenTraveller]

BYOND Key: ForgottenTraveller

Player Byond Key: Madpredar3

Staff involved: VoltageHero was contacted in round about past incidences and that rounds issue. The only mention being that "Staff has had to intervene with him a good few times." And was as far as I know not dealt with further before round end.

Reason for complaint: OOC conduct. Over the last few weeks they have called repeatedly despite being informed OOCly and I suspect via ahelp not too. restart votes, early game mode votes, early transfer votes. Ghosting on being caught as an antag. As Cash Hanington they have desplayed actions ranging from borderline chucklefuckery to plausible selfantagging as far as I have been able to gather. Or they have been ludicrously lucky at rolling antag slots during those rounds that I had to leave early. And in the next round took the AI slot as EZ-27 and immediately ghosted. AND THEN CAME BACK AS CASH

Approximate Date/Time: Round of ~10:30p.m. Friday, 16 October 2015. GMT, and conduct weeks prior.

[SierraKomodo]

This is the person who plays as Cash? If so, there's several incidents of powergaming/gank that has been ahelped by myself and others in the past about his character; It's gotten to where if I see him online in cargo, I will outright avoid the cargo department to avoid dealing with another round of being powerganked.

[Guest Menown]

I can confirm as can Brage that he ghosts when caught as Antag. We found him on the mining asteroid and the second Brage subdued him, he ghosted.

[Jboy2000000]

Ive also seen them violate the EOR greif several times while admins weren't on/were AFK/Something.

[Guest]

I can confirm the accusation of self-antagonizing. Every single round that I've seen Cash as the QM, they've multitooled and hacked their cargo console to order contraband crates by the bushel. I've adminhelped this twice before, after the first three times he did it following successive rounds where he did the same thing over again anyway, and every time he did this he wasn't even an antag.

For these five rounds that I took part in, he made a very low effort attempt in trying to keep this operation he was running discrete. The zoom pills and Warlock Velvet (which, as any bartender enthusiast might remark, is actually poisonous and is lethal enough to count as contraband) nine times out of ten fell into the possession of security within minutes of the contraband crate arriving on the station.

To add onto that, Cash would willingly evade security efforts to arrest them and constantly resist arrest to a ridiculously violent degree. They set up shocked grilles in the cargo office one time as a non-antag.

[Garnascus]

These are some strong allegations, ill let madpredator know if I see him there is a complaint against him as I would like to hear his side.

[EvilBrage]

I can confirm as can Brage that he ghosts when caught as Antag. We found him on the mining asteroid and the second Brage subdued him, he ghosted.

 

The above statement is true.

When he was outed as an antagonist kidnapping another miner, he essentially dipped out to radio silence and wordlessly tried to robust me while I was in a big stompy mech (mistake) when I did find him; he quit because he lost. Hell, I got more RP out of his attempted victim.

[Madpredator]

Hello, i will try to do my best to explain myself and answer in order each reply... But first please understand im stil learning from this server and its really hard to me to understand some things.

And like i always say. Sorry for my english if it sounds rude. And please let me know if i say something you dont understand so i can correct it

 

BYOND Key: ForgottenTraveller

Player Byond Key: Madpredar3

Staff involved: VoltageHero was contacted in round about past incidences and that rounds issue. The only mention being that "Staff has had to intervene with him a good few times." And was as far as I know not dealt with further before round end.

Reason for complaint: OOC conduct. Over the last few weeks they have called repeatedly despite being informed OOCly and I suspect via ahelp not too. restart votes, early game mode votes, early transfer votes. Ghosting on being caught as an antag. As Cash Hanington they have desplayed actions ranging from borderline chucklefuckery to plausible selfantagging as far as I have been able to gather. Or they have been ludicrously lucky at rolling antag slots during those rounds that I had to leave early. And in the next round took the AI slot as EZ-27 and immediately ghosted. AND THEN CAME BACK AS CASH

Approximate Date/Time: Round of ~10:30p.m. Friday, 16 October 2015. GMT, and conduct weeks prior.

 

OOC conduct

1- Early game mode votes: I remember this happened to me since i was new (at first i didnt even know there was a voting system working). I decided to try it and got pm by admins saying it was wrong because that way it wouldnt delay the round.

2- Early transfer votes: Same thing i did call it not knowing it wasnt suposed to be called before 120minutes of round. How was i supossed to know this? i didnt see anywhere saying so. As the result everyone in OOC was blaming me like i had done the worst thing in the world

3- Restart votes: I didnt know this button worked, most of servers got it disable. And one day NSS Aurora went down. When it came back a few people where online when the round started (i think me and other 2). And later on more people joined. I thought it would be a smart idea to restart the server being everybody online. (Again i got pm by admin and people complaining at me in OOC)

Couldnt you just disable the call votes when they arent suposed to be called? It shouldnt be so hard. Or maybe it is i dont know. But its anoying for new people who doesnt know about this

Ghost being AI: I cant seem to find what is so wrong about this.. or why you are using caps to write this complain?... One round i decided to try the AI, and did horrible, it was too complicated for me so i decided not to play it again for not ruining other crew experience. But in other round i picked this character slot again by mistake and i started being the AI. I did AHelp it and admins told me i could respawn. So i did it

Ghosting being caught as antag: This happened a single time and it was my mistake.This answers to. MeowMoo , ForgottenTraveller, and EvilBrage I was going to be briged, because Zahra told security about my intentions as Antag so i decided to go to mining and scape. Security was after me and i saw a miner coming at EVA. I decided to take him as hostage but since im noob and i didnt know you need to have Light and actually see walls or rocks to walk around them in space. My hostage scaped. Later i went to another mining station. I saw a RIPLEY and knew it was from security who was chasing me (later i knew it was QM) since i lost all my stuff throwing it at space in order to survive i was desperate and decided to attack it wiith which was my only item left. A stun Baton. It attacked me back and drilled me. I was critical and without oxygen . There was no way i could survive. I waited a minute. And since my dead was inminent i decided to ghost. My mistake since they could save my body.

 

I can confirm the accusation of self-antagonizing. Every single round that I've seen Cash as the QM, they've multitooled and hacked their cargo console to order contraband crates by the bushel. I've adminhelped this twice before, after the first three times he did it following successive rounds where he did the same thing over again anyway, and every time he did this he wasn't even an antag.

For these five rounds that I took part in, he made a very low effort attempt in trying to keep this operation he was running discrete. The zoom pills and Warlock Velvet (which, as any bartender enthusiast might remark, is actually poisonous and is lethal enough to count as contraband) nine times out of ten fell into the possession of security within minutes of the contraband crate arriving on the station.

To add onto that, Cash would willingly evade security efforts to arrest them and constantly resist arrest to a ridiculously violent degree. They set up shocked grilles in the cargo office one time as a non-antag.

 

The contraband: I was doing some RP with a janitor , we were selling happy pills and warlock velvet (which is not lethal im pretty sure. You might wanna do some tests if you dont believe me) to crew and people actually did pay us with space cash. I dont know if this is against server rules(none admin did pm about this) , but i havent done it again. Its not appropiate for QM since he could lose his job. And in fact i did lose my job and got briged for even more than 30 minutes.

 

This is the person who plays as Cash? If so, there's several incidents of powergaming/gank that has been ahelped by myself and others in the past about his character; It's gotten to where if I see him online in cargo, I will outright avoid the cargo department to avoid dealing with another round of being powerganked.

 

This happened 2 weeks ago, almost the second week i joined the server. I did gank a miner once as one of my first times as changelling. And it was the worst thing ive done in this server so far. Like i said before im really sorry for that. I got warned by an admin and we talked a lot about this. It was just a single time and some time ago. Ive never ganked or received a complain about ganking after that, so i dont know which other cases you are talking about of "powerganking." .Maybe you could explain us.

 

Ive also seen them violate the EOR greif several times while admins weren't on/were AFK/Something.

could you explain more about this? You dont say much and i dont remember doing that

Finally, I dont want people to hate me for my previous actions, im not the best RP player i know but i learn from my mistakes. You are all old players with high experience but im not, i joined this server a month ago and i only know how to play cargo and botanist. I also hope you guys dont make this something personal since i didnt want to ruin your gaming experience at all .. but if admins think im just not made for this server. Its your decision

[SierraKomodo]

This happened 2 weeks ago, almost the second week i joined the server. I did gank a miner once as one of my first times as changelling. And it was the worst thing ive done in this server so far. Like i said before im really sorry for that. I got warned by an admin and we talked a lot about this. It was just a single time and some time ago. Ive never ganked or received a complain about ganking after that, so i dont know which other cases you are talking about of "powerganking." .Maybe you could explain us.

 

Yes, the first incident was you ganking that miner on the asteroid.

The second incident was about a week ago, after that, where you were a cultist in cargo. Head of personnel steps in, you wordlessly use the flash/stun talisman and start beating Azaela to death. No RP, no words, no build up. Plus, you were spending a good part of that round turning cargo into a fortress with barricades and stuff, again without any word, warning, or RP of any sort. EDIT: I actually think this might have been my head of security, Sarah Wolfe, not my HOP.

Third incident? You're a vampire, Zaki is in the cargo lobby waiting for gloves. Suddenly he's hit by a syringe that I'm assuming had sleep toxin, dragged into the cargo warehouse and, wait for it.. Killed by you without any word, warning, or RP. And to top it off? His body was stuffed in a locker and thrown into space where nobody would ever find it.

You see a pattern here?

[Madpredator]

Yes, the first incident was you ganking that miner on the asteroid.

The second incident was about a week ago, after that, where you were a cultist in cargo. Head of personnel steps in, you wordlessly use the flash/stun talisman and start beating Azaela to death. No RP, no words, no build up. Plus, you were spending a good part of that round turning cargo into a fortress with barricades and stuff, again without any word, warning, or RP of any sort. EDIT: I actually think this might have been my head of security, Sarah Wolfe, not my HOP.

Third incident? You're a vampire, Zaki is in the cargo lobby waiting for gloves. Suddenly he's hit by a syringe that I'm assuming had sleep toxin, dragged into the cargo warehouse and, wait for it.. Killed by you without any word, warning, or RP. And to top it off? His body was stuffed in a locker and thrown into space where nobody would ever find it.

You see a pattern here?

 

Have you been involved in this incidents? Or you just heard it from someone else ? because you have wrong versions of both.

I will answer first about Zaki. Yes i was at cargo and im not sure i was a vampire, i remember i was an antag ,probably a Ling and i made a friend antag that round. I was asking what plans did he have when Zaki arrived, Zaki ordered the gloves and i was at desk, my friend was with a medical Mech at the lobby with zakki. And he Randomly shot him with a syringe. I remember his exacts words were "Oh sorry my mistake" (when he clearly did it on purpose) Zaki said on comms "He... was shot.." and security started to ask : - where? What happened? i procced to pull the body with my friend (asking what the fuck did he do anyone could see him!!!) and then closed the door from warehouse leaving my friend and Zaki alone. He took his ADN probably and it was blood everywhere so i said security will come and see this mess we are screwed so i put him in a locker and opened the supply shuttle doors to put him outside so no one would see him. But i didnt start this mess, didnt kill him. Just hide his damn corpse to help my stupid antag mate not getting caught.( i didnt have any RP with Zaki in that round)

The second scene happened at cargo too in another round. And it wasnt the hop/hos. It was the captain.This time it was a cultish round and we had our base at cargo warehouse. We managed to convert many people to cultish and also our last member who joined was from security. He told us , security knew about us and was coming to cargo to get us briged. He probably told us to run but since i was the leader of the cultishs i said No!, we are staying! and procced to barricate the place with wooden barricades. That includes doors/windows. I also made some wooden bats so we clearly had no friendly inttentios. We were 4 or 5 cultishs inside the base and waiting for the security to arrive and maybe pull a fight. But no. The captain came. We told him to leave ! and yelled at him stay away!, but he started to destroy the barricades. Didnt listen us. And was trying to use all the tools to disarm the barricades and get in, took him like 10 minutes to figure out he had to just hit them. He started to destroy our base and we had no choice to stun him. I stuned him and pulled his body a bit more inside. And said this is the catain lets kill him ! (I know it wasnt a smart decisio probably would been better to take him as hostage) But we all started to hit him to death. Security finally came and briged us all perma. I got Admin PM about this and he was agree it wasnt ganking at all since we tried him to stay back and showed our inttentions werent friendly. In fact the captain rushed our base not giving a shit we were all inside with weapons and barricades and ignoring what we said to him.

[Jboy2000000]

IT was a Wizard round two/three days ago. Near the two hour mark, the wizard started turning people into IPC's so they were easier to kill with lasers, and then back into humans so they could make huge amounts of golem things. The shuttle was called, and you ran on, as Cash, and started attacking someone who was wearing the dead wizard's hardsuit, who wasn't even the wizard, in escape, followed them onto the shuttle, and kept fighting with them, with someone else who I didn't see, and ignored my character, an MD, who told you several times you were in the middle of dying from internal injuries. How you managed to get internal bleeding in a fist fight in beyond me, but thats not important to this thread.

[Garnascus]

Hello, I have been keeping my eye on this player for a bit. a little bit before and after the complaint started. I have examined and looked at each and every piece of evidence, consulted with his notes/warnings history. When i initially told Madpredar3 of this complaint against him in-game he seemed to me to be feel quite bad about him perhaps ruining fun or rounds for other players. He posted a swift reply and of some of the things posted here that he has warnings to i feel he has given a decent explanation to the charges levied against him.

Most importantly of all though, let me be clear. If this where another player its entirely possible they would have been banned by now. In this case the player has done an exceptional job of communicating with me and other staff through ahelps about "is it wrong to X or should i have done Y or is it fun for people to Z". I am beyond convinced that he has shown a willingness and a desire to improve the more sour parts of his play and i really dont think he will be a problem in the future. I think intent behind actions is incredibly important and its a large part of what made me decide this. i also asked the opinions of other staff in msay about this and no objections where raised.

Obviously an eye will be kept on him still and i intend to explain this to him fully and hope he continues to ahelp about things hes unsure of (like anyone should).

[ForgottenTraveller]

I'm happy for it to turn out like Garn stated

[Shadow]

The player in question has indeed shown massive improvement and no other incidents occurred since then.

However, we will keep an eye out for him in the future. If nobody rises another issue I will lock and archive this in 24 hours.

[Shadow]

Locking and archiving.