Complaint: TechnoKat

[Thundy]

BYOND Key: Thundy

Player Byond Key: TechnoKat

Staff involved: SenpaiShadow_ and Callum though they were playing in the round.

Reason for complaint: I'm not sure if this should be an incident report or not so y'all let me know and i'll change it, but the reason i put it into a player complaint and not an incident report is because I believe it was a self-antag issue and not an IC issue.

Basically, while playing CMO, we had a (mostly) peaceful wizard come on station at dead hour. Everyone was chill, having fun. Victor Kaipov (Techno) was the only security officer on. From cannon issues in the previous round, our characters had had tension. Even so, we eventually caught the wizard when he had a popped lung and I did surgery on him. While that is happening, techno somehow faxes Central, though he is an officer and not a head, through what i can only guess was the HOS office. Okay, I'm thinking, I can still work with this. Central replies after I had brought the Wizard into interrogation, saying that since the WIZ-DIZ doesnt seem dangerous, just to give him a guest pass. COOL! Back to the deadhour round. I start up a game in the medical lobby of "never have I ever" which brings basically the whole station (all 9 of us) in to a nice round roleplay. Everyone but Victor is there just about. As we are playing, we hear over the comms that he is ordering us all to go to the escape wing because he is calling the escape shuttle, to which my character promply tells him to "fuck off" and the then Ez (Callum), the Head of Security which had arrived after all this also tells him that he has no authority to call the shuttle. There was exchanges over the security channel to which i was not privy and, would you know it, a few minutes later the emergency shuttle is called. The Head of Security and I run to the bridge where the steal shutters are down and so we can't get in. I learned later that Victor had got an EVA suit and gone out into space to avoid being caught by us.

Approximate Date/Time: 29/10/15, Approx 10-something-PM GMT +11

Extra Notes I have nothing against Techno at all, he's actually a sweetheart. Like I said, I'm not sure if this should be an incident so dont hesitate to tell me im a silly and to make one.

Also I dont have logs for the round but Shadow knows which round it was if you'd like to pull them up.

[Guest]

Techno ahelped for permission before attempting to fax central which I granted from he said, I got the fax and replied that if the CMO didn't think the unknown was a threat then they could give them a guest pass (if they wanted).

Then I went back to sleep deprived gaming.

[Jboy2000000]

I have a few things to add, firstly, Callum's character was the warden, no the Head of Security, I don't know if that has any prevalence to this, I just thought Id say for completeness' sake. Secondly, after the round ended, Techno poked fun at everyone in OOC who were rightfully angry at what he did, and there were three mods on at the time, Callum, Senpai, and a third I can't remmeber, who were there when it happened.

[callum99877]

Yes I was playing as the warden, not the HoS, this round. I do think it was quite annoying due to the fact that the rest of the players over in medical were enjoying the round, just ending the round like that was no fun at all. I feel as though techno shouldnt have acted like that. However, I dont know what happened before Ezra arrived on the station. If, as techno said IC, the wizard was using the fireball spell left right and center then I can understand his reasons for wanting to get crew off station. If that is the case an explanation and actually RPing this with other crew members would have been better. I cant really say how to proceed because im bias about him having ended what was starting to be a fun round for me, but if what he said is true then his actions may be justified.

But since the moment i arrived there was no hostility shown from the wizard.

[TechnoKat]

Okay, here's how it went on my side:

Round start, gearing up as usual and semi-AFKing by lobby until something happened, that is, when the wizard showed up and started firing his staff a couple of times also a couple of explosions were heard, which I took as emitter firing(for the staff part). Okay, weird stuff happened, then, someone by the name of Khorne the Red announced himself through public channel, I dismiss it as a random crewmember playing around, until I see him running with a ritual knife, then straightly disappearing. I contact Charlie Dove to head to bridge ASAP as I've seen something move and went to investigate, seemed everything's still there, but the intruder kept playing around.

Dove stops me in the bridge's meeting room, talking to Kaipov about "issues" lately, whilst some fucker is playing around(the wizard), I grabbed her and threw over to the door to open it, then leave. As we left, I've found the guy in red robes and told him to stop, then Dove came up immediately and started blabbing something, the wizard then teleported out, just vanished. I tell Dove to head to bridge numerous times but all I could get from her was "fuck off" and "he vanished, whatever" then left with her 9001st boyfriend Jack Thomas(hah). So that's when I ahelped if I can send a fax through bridge by entering in and got a yes. I've done so. This is the whole time I thought "no, this is wrong on how she's acting, I'll take this threat over to myself and see what's what."

After the fax got sent, the wizard pops a lung(probably fireballed himself), immediately gets to medical and they patch it up. Sent him to interrogation(without cuffs, or anything) and let him sit by. So, I ran back to the brig after putting my EVA suit back from all the faxing, until he decides to show some magic, which I played along as well. Horseman curse, the staff of change, etc. and made Pun Pun a braindead alien hunter, after that I told Dove to get him a guest pass and go ahead and take over, but then again, decided to find a moment to talk about issues Kaipov and her has and had. The wizard came over and stole her ID, I was looking around before heading to the bridge, where he again, fireballed himself and lost her ID attempting to get a guest pass. This was NOT okay. It was hour and a half in the round by now, the ENTIRE station was COMPLETELY dark, no power coming from anywhere, solars were doing fuck awful job. Until then, I've seen couple of larvae's and more aliens(sentinels, hunters, whatever) show up, which got me pandering for twenty minutes to call the shuttle or not at two hour mark. As it reached, I decided it would do best, because the round was a complete mess and I'm sorry Thundy, you didn't do a lot to help and try fixing several issues rising from each department, nor' did you care that a couple of stuff were taken out from captains office. It was all about the "lets play some games hihi" stuff. You just instantly reacted when I called the shuttle, even by then, you wouldn't be able to even recall it.

Real reasons for shuttle calling was that station was damaged to hull breaches, with no engineers around to fix it(especially bridge hallway), the intruder capable of being friendly, but god-fucking awfully stupid fireballing most of times accidently(which was fun) and having serious powers, whilst I was the only officer around and the fact that station went to complete darkness, all the power ran out and it was useless to stay in this awful place.

[Thundy]

Techno ahelped for permission before attempting to fax central which I granted from he said, I got the fax and replied that if the CMO didn't think the unknown was a threat then they could give them a guest pass (if they wanted).

Then I went back to sleep deprived gaming.

Okidokie, good to know.

 

I have a few things to add, firstly, Callum's character was the warden, no the Head of Security, I don't know if that has any prevalence to this, I just thought Id say for completeness' sake.

Also good to know.

 

I do think it was quite annoying due to the fact that the rest of the players over in medical were enjoying the round, just ending the round like that was no fun at all. I feel as though techno shouldnt have acted like that. However, I dont know what happened before Ezra arrived on the station. If, as techno said IC, the wizard was using the fireball spell left right and center then I can understand his reasons for wanting to get crew off station. If that is the case an explanation and actually RPing this with other crew members would have been better.

We'd established that the the wizard was okay, even by centrals standards, and that he was allowed to be on the station, even after his accidental shenanigans. We'd had Quntion Sh--something, cant remember, who had JUST finished setting up the Solars and power was being restored to the station slowly, that that wasnt an issue either.

 

It was hour and a half in the round by now, the ENTIRE station was COMPLETELY dark, no power coming from anywhere, solars were doing fuck awful job. Until then, I've seen couple of larvae's and more aliens(sentinels, hunters, whatever) show up, which got me pandering for twenty minutes to call the shuttle or not at two hour mark. As it reached, I decided it would do best, because the round was a complete mess and I'm sorry Thundy, you didn't do a lot to help and try fixing several issues rising from each department, nor' did you care that a couple of stuff were taken out from captains office. It was all about the "lets play some games hihi" stuff. You just instantly reacted when I called the shuttle, even by then, you wouldn't be able to even recall it.

Real reasons for shuttle calling was that station was damaged to hull breaches, with no engineers around to fix it(especially bridge hallway), the intruder capable of being friendly, but god-fucking awfully stupid fireballing most of times accidently(which was fun) and having serious powers, whilst I was the only officer around and the fact that station went to complete darkness, all the power ran out and it was useless to stay in this awful place.

 

You called the shuttle while not being a command member and having the only command member tell you not to. You messaged Command about the intruder but not about calling the shuttle? There is a discrepancy here. I don't believe that it was your call to end the round because "it was useless to stay in this awful place." There are more people in the round then just you and no one else thought it was terrible. I understand that you may want to have complete immersion in that "I am an officer of the station and I always have to do whats right" but come on, it was dead hour, there was less then ten people and we had all come together in medbay to roleplay with each other in a fun and not necessarily "WE IS WERKING ON A STATION BE SRS" way.

By calling the shuttle, you disregarded what my character had commanded of you, ruined other peoples RP and, not only that, went EVA as to not even allow us to have RP with you.

[TechnoKat]

You called the shuttle while not being a command member and having the only command member tell you not to. You messaged Command about the intruder but not about calling the shuttle? There is a discrepancy here. I don't believe that it was your call to end the round because "it was useless to stay in this awful place." There are more people in the round then just you and no one else thought it was terrible. I understand that you may want to have complete immersion in that "I am an officer of the station and I always have to do whats right" but come on, it was dead hour, there was less then ten people and we had all come together in medbay to roleplay with each other in a fun and not necessarily "WE IS WERKING ON A STATION BE SRS" way.

By calling the shuttle, you disregarded what my character had commanded of you, ruined other peoples RP and, not only that, went EVA as to not even allow us to have RP with you.

 

What you're basically telling me is that mary sue roleplay>creating conflicts for antag to DO SOMETHING whilst not forgetting to roleplay(I've been playing along with the wizard well). You didn't even give a shit to take a look at what's going down, what kept blowing up and why the fuck are there some weird aliens being harvested in chef's kitchen as well. Station was an awful fuck of a place with hull breaches around and zero fucking power everywhere. It was a WIZARD round, an ANTAGONIST round, if you want a silly round of DnD or whatever, why don't you vote for extended instead.

Also, the commanding part? "Fuck you" to the face most of times wasn't really a command order.

[Skull132]

Okay, I'm basically getting two very polarized points of view from here. Which is making things slightly difficult for me.

About calling the shuttle: if the situation is FUBAR enough, so the station is all fucked up and there are aliens potentially running around, then a person breaking into the bridge in a dire situation and calling the shuttle is generally okay. Though, usually on livehour, doing so without getting shot is nearly very impossible. On deadhour, by practice, the limit for catastrophe is slightly lowered, but this isn't really mentioned anywhere.

So, I'm kind of curious as to what other participants of the round are thinking about this all.

[Jboy2000000]

Techno was the only person who had any problem with anything. Every single other people in the game was mad at the round ending, and pretty much everyone I saw in game was pissed at Victor calling the shuttle.

[TechnoKat]

I don't know what you can do in a deadhour round, completely dark, breaches in bridge and more areas, being the only security officer against a wizard who can change people, fireball, no engineers. Dunno really. I don't know how you can play and enjoy a mary sue round.

Everyone got pissed that they couldn't do a round of "Never have I ever" from Thundy's Dove character suggestion. Piling up in medbay and talking random, well, shit, to say.

[Shadow]

I won't handle that complaint since I actively played in that round.

What I saw:

- Kaipov called the shuttle for various reasons he already explained.

- He activated the bridge lockdown so nobody could enter and recall it within 5 minutes.

- Everyone got mad ICly and OOcly because of that.

- Kaipov fled EVA to escape IC punishment for overstepping his authority

- Since the bridge was under lockdown and nobody could escape we all boarded the shuttle.

- Once the shuttle left people started discussing it in OOC and got mad at Techno.

My thoughts:

- I do understand both sides, We had aliens because of the wizard staff, as far as I know the wizard died before you called the shuttle, correct me if I am wrong.

- Yes, we had no power. ERT could easily fix that.

- In my opinion, calling the shuttle without getting permission from the head/majority of the crew is eh. Especially if you flee EVA to escape IC consequences.

[TechnoKat]

Entire round ran in deadhour, I was pondering to call the ERT, but nobody was actively ghosting then.

[Jboy2000000]

It doesn't matter if you can figure out how we could have fun, everyone was having fun. And stop saying there was no engineer, there was an engineer, they set up the solars, said they did on the public radio, and power started coming back BEFORE you called the shuttle.

[TechnoKat]

It doesn't matter if you can figure out how we could have fun, everyone was having fun. And stop saying there was no engineer, there was an engineer, they set up the solars, said they did on the public radio, and power started coming back BEFORE you called the shuttle.

 

"but there was an engineer, they set up the solars"

you mean the person with no access to engineering whatsoever, can't setup the singularity.

and no, no power was coming back, the round literally was a fuckfest and everyone was piling up in medbay to play games, in a game.

[Shadow]

There was no engineer.

As far as I can recall(It was the QM/Cargo tech?) they ICly said that they only know how to wire the solars, and they did so.

Wasn't enough to power the station.

[TechnoKat]

I won't handle that complaint since I actively played in that round.

What I saw:

- Kaipov called the shuttle for various reasons he already explained.

- He activated the bridge lockdown so nobody could enter and recall it within 5 minutes.

- Everyone got mad ICly and OOcly because of that.

- Kaipov fled EVA to escape IC punishment for overstepping his authority

- Since the bridge was under lockdown and nobody could escape we all boarded the shuttle.

- Once the shuttle left people started discussing it in OOC and got mad at Techno.

 

okay. I did lock the bridge so everyone can stop trying to enter in and recall the shuttle, so instead head to the departures, the round was literally a fuckfest and I don't know why everyone started to lynch Kaipov and do a witch hunt on him just because nobody got to play "Never have I ever" with our brand mary sue CMO, Charlie Dove.

Next, I went EVA because I didn't want to cause hell of self-antag, I thought this would do less issues than more, because Ezra just joined and began hunting for me, so did rest. I escaped by a pod, however.

 

My thoughts:

- I do understand both sides, We had aliens because of the wizard staff, as far as I know the wizard died before you called the shuttle, correct me if I am wrong.

- Yes, we had no power. ERT could easily fix that.

- In my opinion, calling the shuttle without getting permission from the head/majority of the crew is eh. Especially if you flee EVA to escape IC consequences.

 

I believe fleeing EVA was best thing since everyone went to hunt and lynch Kaipov for calling the shuttle, otherwise I'd be self-antagging by literally gunning everyone down with tasers and rest and just dragging them to bridge.

CMO did no contribution to the round whatsoever and all she had to say was "fuck you" to Kaipov each time they've seen each other, why get permission from such person?

I was not aware of wizard dying, but that WOULD say calling shuttle was okay, since there was zero power and it would take a long time to clone someone and start everything working on.

[Thundy]

okay. I did lock the bridge so everyone can stop trying to enter in and recall the shuttle, so instead head to the departures, the round was literally a fuckfest and I don't know why everyone started to lynch Kaipov and do a witch hunt on him just because nobody got to play "Never have I ever" with our brand mary sue CMO, Charlie Dove.

 

First up, don't insult my character just because you disagree. You can say anything you want to say without insulting anyone. When you insult people and their characters, all you're doing is putting on edge that may just want to get this resolved and it honestly doesn't help anyone.

Secondly, I have already stated that the round was not a "fuckfest." The only one who thought that was you. What you did was cut off potential roleplay for others because of your own selfish reasoning. If you werent having fun, find fun to have. We did. Everyone was getting to know each other and figuring their characters out. At that point, it didn't matter that the station was in darkness because this game is about having fun and roleplaying together. We gave you numerous chances to be involved and you didn't want to be. Bad luck. What you did was childish in that, because you thought it was all about you, went and called the shuttle and made it impossible for us to recall it. It was frustrating and everyone that was on the station at the time thought so too.

I believe fleeing EVA was best thing since everyone went to hunt and lynch Kaipov for calling the shuttle, otherwise I'd be self-antagging by literally gunning everyone down with tasers and rest and just dragging them to bridge.

Umm. What? Are you serious? Your escallation of that situation when you call the shuttle as a security officer and the CMO tries to recall it would be to gun them down? Techno, please please please consider how ridiculous this is. You do not own the station and you do not grab the tasers every time someone crosses your will. Perhaps you should ask someone to walk you through your jobs and the particulars of a security officer and a workplace.

[LetzShake]

I don't know what you can do in a deadhour round, completely dark, breaches in bridge and more areas, being the only security officer against a wizard who can change people, fireball, no engineers. Dunno really. I don't know how you can play and enjoy a mary sue round.

Everyone got pissed that they couldn't do a round of "Never have I ever" from Thundy's Dove character suggestion. Piling up in medbay and talking random, well, shit, to say.

 

Do you even know what Mary Sue means? In the last couple of days I've seen you throw that term at fucking EVERYTHING, and honestly you seem to apply it to literally anything that involves RP over just shooting the shit out of everything.

I wasn't in this round specifically but I can say, I think just about every time I've been in a round with Techno playing Kaipov, I see some shades of this kind of attitude. The idea that Kaipov thinks he's the damn boss of the station because he's a security officer. I don't know if it's just his character or if it's that TechnoKat really thinks because he thinks he's the most robust or something that he needs to run everything.

Honestly it really seems like you don't like RP. You seem to get angry any time the server's not on a violent antagonist round.

[Keknar]

Temporarily locking this thread until the 17th when the forum ban will be lifted and the thread will be unlocked to continue when TechnoKat can respond once more.

[Shadow]

Due to recent events the player in question received a permanent ban.

Locking and archiving.