cobracoco007 Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 All right might as well day this quick and be out furry you have defiantly stripped and napped at least once. I was the bartending tajaran one round and you did exactly this stripped and rolled around on the bar napping. I didn't say anything I just ignored it icly because I was a low class tajaran who knew it was not her place to criticize. I have gotten to the point of being fed up with Safi and I fear changing my ic actions to reflect this, because I do not wish to anger you and get a report filed against me. I have kept my tongue as I wish to one day be a moderator and stirring up shit is not my thing, but I am done with holding my tongue it is just a bit rediculous that I fear to rp how I wish to with Safi because I fear accusations of meta grudging. That is all I have to say I mean no offense I just want to rp with spess men in a realistic way.
LetzShake Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 So are you disregarding the part where she gives herself telekinesis, turns herself pink and strips down before taking naps on desks in front of the brig, or is that considered professional behavior? So she genetically modified herself like every geneticist and their dog does. I've never seen her take a nap on a desk in front of the brig, I was talking about my own experiences, not anybody else's, as I said. I don't think a female tajara rolling down a jumpsuit is any less professional than any male doing it, given, again, they have no breasts as far as I'm aware, and no visible nipples. So if anything, it's even less revealing than a human male. I'm just saying that I've never seen Safiya act in a way outside of what I would expect from any other player on this server, except that she seems to consistently be roleplaying in the times I've seen her, which is more than can be said for a lot of people. So you say "Pink, Naked, Telekinetic, Cat" to try and make some grand point but lets break it down. Naked? No. I've never seen her naked during a shift and I don't think anyone else claims to either. Telekinetic? Yeah her and every geneticist since genetics was implemented 100 years ago on goon. So it comes down to pink cat. Hardly the most snowflakey thing we've got going on this server. Even taken together that's probably not the most snowflakey character on the server at any given moment. So if we're all willing to sit down and change how genetics, in general, is treated, I don't think this complaint holds much water. Maybe I just sympathize too much. I've been a community pariah (not here) before and it's not a nice feeling to get put under the microscope to a degree well past others.
Frances Posted November 9, 2015 Author Posted November 9, 2015 I'm just saying that I've never seen Safiya act in a way outside of what I would expect from any other player on this server, except that she seems to consistently be roleplaying in the times I've seen her, which is more than can be said for a lot of people. I mean, I understand the want to defend Furry because you see him getting picked on. But you need valid substance to defend somebody, either evidence or at least good knowledge of them, to the point that you could claim "I've spent a lot of time with this person and I'm highly surprised they would act this way, something's amiss there". It's not because you've seen TheFurry a few times and he hasn't done anything bad during that time that it precludes him from doing anything bad at all. And I'm not gonna go into details as to why a geneticist rolling down their jumpsuit to be completely topless and then just chilling that way is ridiculous, because it simply is, doubly so when combined with the rest of Safiya's behavior.
Nogo3 Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 So are you disregarding the part where she gives herself telekinesis, turns herself pink and strips down before taking naps on desks in front of the brig, or is that considered professional behavior? So she genetically modified herself like every geneticist and their dog does. I've never seen her take a nap on a desk in front of the brig, I was talking about my own experiences, not anybody else's, as I said. I don't think a female tajara rolling down a jumpsuit is any less professional than any male doing it, given, again, they have no breasts as far as I'm aware, and no visible nipples. So if anything, it's even less revealing than a human male. I'm just saying that I've never seen Safiya act in a way outside of what I would expect from any other player on this server, except that she seems to consistently be roleplaying in the times I've seen her, which is more than can be said for a lot of people. So you say "Pink, Naked, Telekinetic, Cat" to try and make some grand point but lets break it down. Naked? No. I've never seen her naked during a shift and I don't think anyone else claims to either. Telekinetic? Yeah her and every geneticist since genetics was implemented 100 years ago on goon. So it comes down to pink cat. Hardly the most snowflakey thing we've got going on this server. Even taken together that's probably not the most snowflakey character on the server at any given moment. So if we're all willing to sit down and change how genetics, in general, is treated, I don't think this complaint holds much water. Maybe I just sympathize too much. I've been a community pariah (not here) before and it's not a nice feeling to get put under the microscope to a degree well past others. The major issue that I've seen at all here would have to be that when broken down, sure, it's just a series of smaller isolated incidents that are quite common. But it's not just because of small things that a discussion was provoked. It's the product of all of those things coming together into one person. I've no intentions of here meaning to assault the_furry, but I do have issues with the character themselves. I'm not sure where the ideas of geneticist making themselves into big genetic freaks started, but I've never quite understood the RP reason. Sure, you can manipulate genes beneficially on your own, but I always wondered why geneticist would want to just start playing with their own genes. Specifically like this! It's gene manipulation on the lowest and strangest level. Rather than making it so that you genetically have pink fur, why wouldn't you just dye it pink? It seem arbitrary. Telekinesis? I'unno. I'd be scared to do something like that. Because it creates the moral issues of humanity and what makes a person into question. What I'm trying to get at, I guess, is that in five hundred years genetics isn't something that's going to be taken so casually as it is in this game. So it seems kind've...Unrealistic. I'll work out a point for the rest of the stuff later. Just wanted to throw this out. Edit: Oh yeah, there was one other thing I wanted to mention. Involving the discussion of a character by themselves, it's too easy to take that as a personal affront to yourself. I hope none of what I'm saying seems that way, as I've had the same thing happen to myself before. Oh boy, does it feel shitty, until you realize the criticisms that are made out of the discussion and work with it a bit. Know what I mean?
SierraKomodo Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 Rolling down jumpsuits as a female Tajara... Let's see Here's some more female Tajara that do this: Rasine Ha'kim Ziva Mo'Taki Jo'Zah Saani (She doesn't have an undershirt) Rai Amari (Iirc she doesn't have an undershirt either) And I'm sure there's more. No complaints about them. Running around glowing/genetically modified on a consistant basis? Name one regular geneticist who /isn't/ doing that after 45 minutes. You have problems with furries and characters being played by/as furries? I'm a furry. There's other furries on this server too, but I'm not going to name them because you'll probably start throwing complaints at them too. 'Overly sexualized' female character? Lesbay. Is there a reason you people are filing complaints specifically against The_Furry's characters, for things that are done/have been done by various other characters and players (Myself included) without a single complaint over the past almost year I've been here?
Nogo3 Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 Is there a reason you people are filing complaints specifically against The_Furry's characters, for things that are done/have been done by various other characters and players (Myself included) without a single complaint over the past almost year I've been here? I'd uh...Assume this: Disclaimer: The role of this complaint is to bring about discussion on the proper use of genetics. I do not wish to see the player concerned here punished, but would rather simply like to see people deliberate on whether such behavior should be allowed or forbidden.
nbielinski Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 Is there a reason you people are filing complaints specifically against The_Furry's characters, for things that are done/have been done by various other characters and players (Myself included) without a single complaint over the past almost year I've been here? I'd uh...Assume this: Disclaimer: The role of this complaint is to bring about discussion on the proper use of genetics. I do not wish to see the player concerned here punished, but would rather simply like to see people deliberate on whether such behavior should be allowed or forbidden. If you have to write a disclaimer saying you're not actively trying to abuse someone verbally.. isn't that like saying, "I'm not racist but.." before what you're about to say? Still doesn't make it okay to harp on someone over several forum posts. And by people who, by all means, have been more active on the forums than on the server for a long while. None the less, TheFurry hasn't done anything majorly stupid, and all his actions have been justified. Really weird mind you, but justified or at least defended. And sure his "snowflakeyness" might be seen as annoying to some people that ghost and observe and do nothing but focus on those aspects of a person, but as it stands the characters he plays are enjoyable and can RP to a moderate level of understanding.
Nogo3 Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 If you have to write a disclaimer saying you're not actively trying to abuse someone verbally.. isn't that like saying, "I'm not racist but.." before what you're about to say? Still doesn't make it okay to harp on someone over several forum posts. And by people who, by all means, have been more active on the forums than on the server for a long while. None the less, TheFurry hasn't done anything majorly stupid, and all his actions have been justified. Really weird mind you, but justified or at least defended. And sure his "snowflakeyness" might be seen as annoying to some people that ghost and observe and do nothing but focus on those aspects of a person, but as it stands the characters he plays are enjoyable and can RP to a moderate level of understanding. I'd have to agree with you there on the second paragraph, at least. It's certainly snowflakey and a bit strange but it's not so far out of the realm of possibility that I'd have a personal agenda against it. If someone RPs something out well, and they want to be inventive? More power to them. I'm not the Snowflake Crafter for nothing. While the intents might be different, I don't see where the intent to harp on the_furry themselves has come from rather than the actions of their character. I feel like the disclaimer is there to prevent observations as being seen as personal attacks. It's not a "No offense" as much as it's trying to be a "Let's look within this picture". Nah, it's not cool to harp on someone, but it's important to take the meaning of the post (Even in situations where the OP didn't intend for it to take that meaning) and discuss that rather than slamming on the topic of the discussion. *-*: I find myself discussing this topic a lot.
FinalVerdict3 Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 Is there a reason you people are filing complaints specifically against The_Furry's characters, for things that are done/have been done by various other characters and players (Myself included) without a single complaint over the past almost year I've been here? I'd uh...Assume this: Disclaimer: The role of this complaint is to bring about discussion on the proper use of genetics. I do not wish to see the player concerned here punished, but would rather simply like to see people deliberate on whether such behavior should be allowed or forbidden. I've had my encounter with TheFurry and even their character brother, I'm chipping in quickly just to say my piece I had with their roleplay and with Safiya. The key point of this complaint is supposedly surrounding "improper" use of science, or genetic material, as it has been quoted, correct? Otherwise why would there be a discussion about "proper" usage of genetics at all if that wasn't the case. The fact is Safiya ALWAYS gets permission from Head of Staff. She always brings the correct documents to the correct personnel who then makes a decision to either allow it or to discontinue said project. So there we go, bug squashed. Everything else is practically null because the key point here has already been hit on the head. Safiya, just like every other scientist and specifically geneticist, follows the required policy. Nothing more and nothing less. If anyone else thinks it is wrong for Safiya to be modifying genes/being bright pink then why isn't it being brought up in ICly? Why hasn't anyone gone to a head of staff and said to them that it's outragous? Shit happens, people die and then ultimately you will have the salty guy who spends an entire night trying to troll Aurora station all because they couldn't setup their nuke-op plan and get away with it. I think we should all remember not everything happens the way we want it to. Too many people focus on the negatives and not many embrace tragic incidents and try to have fun or create a memory with an incident. IIRC, Frances, you said you were worried about Safiya becoming pink all the time? I can understand that concern and if it repeatedly happens, sure, being poked while in game should be enough to get them to conform to... well, whatever it is. I don't think this is a rule, right? Apart from the main complaint, I'm totally lost as to what is an issue, it seems to be switching from "not getting correct paperwork to modify genes" to "being bright pink". By the way, Safiya hasn't used her powers to cause havoc. Aside from the theory of not having correct documents to proceed with such a thing, why is it an issue for them to have modified genes?
Frances Posted November 9, 2015 Author Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) I don't have a personal agenda against TheFurry. I believe Safiya is acting like the most stereotypical snowflake, and I was under the impression we tried to curb extreme snowflakiness to reasonable levels. I mean, you have a character who: -Modifies her genes for keks, while always following the same routine of pink fur + TK -Self-antags by picking up a syringe gun with chloral because people were complaining she was mauling them to half-death with punches -Yes, turns herself fucking pink -Regularly hits on people and brings up lewd topics, regardless of her player's insistence that she does not -Strips down to take "cat naps" in various places -Acts like a stereotypical furry/fursona, complete with murry muzzleglompnips, cuddlepiles and erogenous ears -Displays a complete disregard for Tajaran lore, ignoring most traditional Tajaran norms of social conservativeness and repression -Is a Tajaran which is basically an anthro cat (this wouldn't be terrible in itself if it wasn't combined with the above list, but in this particular instance, it's no saving grace) You can certainly justify some of these traits in an otherwise healthy character (I wouldn't mind if Tajarans took off their jumpsuit tops because their fur made them overheat if, say, they were roleplayed properly instead of acting like pink sexbeasts), but the combination of all these extravagant traits together makes for something outright terrifying. I'm also not sure what to think of "furries defending furries" and the whole outcries of fursecution that happen whenever Tajarans are put under scrutiny, but it makes me sad that people would forgo proper roleplay in favor of imaginary furry hugboxes. As I already said, I don't mind if you're a furry, and I don't mind if you enjoy roleplaying anthro catbeasts within the general spirit of the server lore. What's being done here isn't that; it's delving very, very far from the initial implementation of Tajarans to create something I'd expect to see in Furcadia rather than SS13. Edited November 9, 2015 by Guest
Frances Posted November 9, 2015 Author Posted November 9, 2015 The key point of this complaint is supposedly surrounding "improper" use of science, or genetic material, as it has been quoted, correct? No. You should read the thread again. If anyone else thinks it is wrong for Safiya to be modifying genes/being bright pink then why isn't it being brought up in ICly? Why hasn't anyone gone to a head of staff and said to them that it's outragous? I already wrote an explanation for this a page ago.
Frances Posted November 9, 2015 Author Posted November 9, 2015 As a final (triple) post, because keeping up with this complaint in realtime without writing extremely long posts is hard, the reason why I put a disclaimer at the beginning of this thread is because whenever a complaint is made against Tajarans, Tajaran "defeners" will accuse it of being a personal attack. Stuff like this You have problems with furries and characters being played by/as furries? I'm a furry. There's other furries on this server too, but I'm not going to name them because you'll probably start throwing complaints at them too. is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not even sure where people are getting the idea that wanting to discuss the quality of roleplay coming from a character is actually the result of an internalized persecution complex against a fandom, but you're missing the mark by far. And this is essentially devolving into "pulling a fictional, made-up and entirely nonexistent race card without any valid points".
Dreamix Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 What I think is relevant and sort of important: (...) I'm not sure where the ideas of geneticist making themselves into big genetic freaks started, but I've never quite understood the RP reason. Sure, you can manipulate genes beneficially on your own, but I always wondered why geneticist would want to just start playing with their own genes. Specifically like this! It's gene manipulation on the lowest and strangest level. Rather than making it so that you genetically have pink fur, why wouldn't you just dye it pink? It seem arbitrary. Telekinesis? I'unno. I'd be scared to do something like that. Because it creates the moral issues of humanity and what makes a person into question. What I'm trying to get at, I guess, is that in five hundred years genetics isn't something that's going to be taken so casually as it is in this game. So it seems kind've... Unrealistic. (...) From a lore perspective this would be acceptable if the character actually faced unceasing and endless jeering whenever she walked outside genetics {and off-work} bright pink {this basically means, that it shouldn't be really socially acceptable, but other players just don't want to be mean, due to various reasons ~Dream}. (...)It is not hard to come up with a justification for why your fur's pink. (...)It's not hard to come up with a justification for why you have several genetic powers in your arsenal in a singular moment. "I'm testing for genome modifications to better facilitate the resilience and endurance of other crew members/biologicals." (...) (...) The role of this complaint is to bring about discussion on the proper use of genetics. I do not wish to see the player concerned here punished, but would rather simply like to see people deliberate on whether such behavior should be allowed or forbidden. (...) In my experience, these are not ideal conditions for a geneticist character to be found in.(...) Topless'ness aside: I, personally, would just like the_ (fuck, that sound so cool ;_; TheUnderscore) to tone it down, and to "empathize with/immerse into" (these probably aren't right words) the character. Why would the geneticist fiddle with their genes like that? Wouldn't others be making fun of them, or maybe they would face off-work consequences (being fired, or warned, not just by DO corp, people can even fire their own characters, if they think it's justified and appropriate), or perhaps they should fear some strange genetic, permanent disabilities, sicknesses and diseases? I believe, genetics isn't just: "punch a few buttons = you're a hulk; press some more = you're no more a hulk", I believe those are years of risky researching and testing. There's a reason we have paperwork (waivers) and protohumans. Genetics is supposed to be difficult, unsafe and dangerous field of research, not something where you can give out powers like candy, and not fear any repercussions. Also, I would like to note, that maybe posting things like: "so tired of this bullshit", "this has literally become children complaining about nothing" or "relentless bitching about air" is probably not the right way to defend yourself, you are just repeating stereotypes and schemes, of a really upset and aggressive pro-furry-someone. I'm 1000% sure, that people haven't teamed up on the_, just to convince the staff to perma-ban them, no need to be so aggressive, maybe there actually is a problem, but someone is just refusing to see it. And why the_, you ask? Because it's hella easier to track/punish regulars, than to seek that one-time offender, or that random baldie that logged in for the first, and last, time here. And again, I think that Frances (and other posters) probably mean, that it's just a bad beggining, to a series of unfortunate events. First, this, then some people, maybe not exactly the_, sometime, not today, maybe in the future, will do things that won't be nice.
SierraKomodo Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 Is there a reason you people are filing complaints specifically against The_Furry's characters, for things that are done/have been done by various other characters and players (Myself included) without a single complaint over the past almost year I've been here? I'd uh...Assume this: Disclaimer: The role of this complaint is to bring about discussion on the proper use of genetics. I do not wish to see the player concerned here punished, but would rather simply like to see people deliberate on whether such behavior should be allowed or forbidden. If this thread is supposed to be about genetics and the proper use of it, why are there so many posts specifically targetting/discussing Safiya? This also isn't the only complaint thread specifically targetting his characters.
the_furry Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 What I think is relevant and sort of important:(...) I'm not sure where the ideas of geneticist making themselves into big genetic freaks started, but I've never quite understood the RP reason. Sure, you can manipulate genes beneficially on your own, but I always wondered why geneticist would want to just start playing with their own genes. Specifically like this! It's gene manipulation on the lowest and strangest level. Rather than making it so that you genetically have pink fur, why wouldn't you just dye it pink? It seem arbitrary. Telekinesis? I'unno. I'd be scared to do something like that. Because it creates the moral issues of humanity and what makes a person into question. What I'm trying to get at, I guess, is that in five hundred years genetics isn't something that's going to be taken so casually as it is in this game. So it seems kind've... Unrealistic. (...) From a lore perspective this would be acceptable if the character actually faced unceasing and endless jeering whenever she walked outside genetics {and off-work} bright pink {this basically means, that it shouldn't be really socially acceptable, but other players just don't want to be mean, due to various reasons ~Dream}. (...)It is not hard to come up with a justification for why your fur's pink. (...)It's not hard to come up with a justification for why you have several genetic powers in your arsenal in a singular moment. "I'm testing for genome modifications to better facilitate the resilience and endurance of other crew members/biologicals." (...) (...) The role of this complaint is to bring about discussion on the proper use of genetics. I do not wish to see the player concerned here punished, but would rather simply like to see people deliberate on whether such behavior should be allowed or forbidden. (...) In my experience, these are not ideal conditions for a geneticist character to be found in.(...) Topless'ness aside: I, personally, would just like the_ (fuck, that sound so cool ;_; TheUnderscore) to tone it down, and to "empathize with/immerse into" (these probably aren't right words) the character. Why would the geneticist fiddle with their genes like that? Wouldn't others be making fun of them, or maybe they would face off-work consequences (being fired, or warned, not just by DO corp, people can even fire their own characters, if they think it's justified and appropriate), or perhaps they should fear some strange genetic, permanent disabilities, sicknesses and diseases? I believe, genetics isn't just: "punch a few buttons = you're a hulk; press some more = you're no more a hulk", I believe those are years of risky researching and testing. There's a reason we have paperwork (waivers) and protohumans. Genetics is supposed to be difficult, unsafe and dangerous field of research, not something where you can give out powers like candy, and not fear any repercussions. Also, I would like to note, that maybe posting things like: "so tired of this bullshit", "this has literally become children complaining about nothing" or "relentless bitching about air" is probably not the right way to defend yourself, you are just repeating stereotypes and schemes, of a really upset and aggressive pro-furry-someone. I'm 1000% sure, that people haven't teamed up on the_, just to convince the staff to perma-ban them, no need to be so aggressive, maybe there actually is a problem, but someone is just refusing to see it. And why the_, you ask? Because it's hella easier to track/punish regulars, than to seek that one-time offender, or that random baldie that logged in for the first, and last, time here. And again, I think that Frances (and other posters) probably mean, that it's just a bad beggining, to a series of unfortunate events. First, this, then some people, maybe not exactly the_, sometime, not today, maybe in the future, will do things that won't be nice. so basically. ...this could be handled icly. Run an ic report. And maybe rp with the charater to lrean why she has high disregard for her safety. ...yep all that sounds like things that could be handled icly
SierraKomodo Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 As a final (triple) post, because keeping up with this complaint in realtime without writing extremely long posts is hard, the reason why I put a disclaimer at the beginning of this thread is because whenever a complaint is made against Tajarans, Tajaran "defeners" will accuse it of being a personal attack. Stuff like this You have problems with furries and characters being played by/as furries? I'm a furry. There's other furries on this server too, but I'm not going to name them because you'll probably start throwing complaints at them too. is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not even sure where people are getting the idea that wanting to discuss the quality of roleplay coming from a character is actually the result of an internalized persecution complex against a fandom, but you're missing the mark by far. And this is essentially devolving into "pulling a fictional, made-up and entirely nonexistent race card without any valid points". I feel like a lot of this complain is just based on The Furry being... a furry. Rather than actually doing anything wrong. That might be where we fundamentally disagree. I don't think there's much room for people to act like stereotypical furries on a regular SS13 HRP server. There's furry servers, and furry roleplay communities, but outside of that "furry" behavior is generally widely ridiculed, and for a good reason. I don't care that he's a furry. I don't care if he wants to play a cat character because we already have cat characters. But I do care about him turning a non-furry game into a furry extravaganza.
Frances Posted November 9, 2015 Author Posted November 9, 2015 If this thread is supposed to be about genetics and the proper use of it, why are there so many posts specifically targetting/discussing Safiya? This also isn't the only complaint thread specifically targetting his characters. Well, my initial impression was that Safiya was doing a poor job as a geneticist by acting unprofessionally (while still signing the forms, yes. It's not because you sign a form that you should have the right to do whatever stupid thing over and over.) From contributions of other posters and my own reflection, however, it seems clear that the issues surrounding Safiya have evolved beyond poor conduct as a geneticist, and could simply be qualified of poor conduct in general. I could update the disclaimer, if you wish, as it might be getting misleading at this point. Though saying "guys, the issue you're talking about isn't the one we wanted to talk about so let's ignore it completely" isn't a persuasive way to win an argument.
Frances Posted November 9, 2015 Author Posted November 9, 2015 @Sierra, I don't think my position is really too hard to understand. I don't care if you're a furry. I don't care if you like Tajarans. Conversely, I also don't think regular HRP SS13 is the place to pull furry shit. There's a difference between a furry that enjoys regular roleplay, and a furry that tries to make regular roleplay furry.
FinalVerdict3 Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 The role of this complaint is to bring about discussion on the proper use of genetics Why even mention this at all in the complaint unless you have an issue with it? Therefore, it is a key point in your complaint. I believe most of us are acquainted with Safiya Isra - the station's current resident geneticist. You are correct. Head of staff and some newer people recognize Safiya. She also happens to be a pink, glowing Incorrect. Dyed pink isn't what Safiya's dye is usually. Safiya is out of character here (such as their behavior isn't normal) did anyone question why her fur was dyed in a unnatrual colour? Also clarify what you mean by "glowing". Some speculation during a round; apparantly you wouldn't see the glowing on their head it's more of a meta-mechanic to let players know that their genes are modified, not necessarily visible to the naked eye in IC terms. telekinetic cat who has been known to appear in various states of undress. Semi-correct. Telekinetic Tajaran - provided correct forms have been filled, in many cases it is. Various states of undress? Yeah, no. I've ghosted Safiya multiple times in rounds, she hasn't been undressing. Also as a quick note here: rolling down your jumpsuit is not the same as taking it off and running around the station with your dick out. Solution? Make a rude remark, reprimand her, do something, anything! If you really must make this an OOC issue then why didn't you contact a Moderator/Admin during the round and let them know you're displeased with the way Safiya is being roleplayed, or inquire if it's against the rules? In my experience, these are not ideal conditions for a geneticist character to be found in. I agree with you. My character, Sophia, wouldn't like it if a Tajaran were to walk around with their jumpsuit rolled down. Especially if it's someone from Science as she expects them to be held to a significant higher standard due to their work and research nature. Know what I would do? Talk shit, make a sneaky remark. Shout at her a couple of times, why not? It may not be an ideal condition to work in but how is it worthy of an OOC complaint, what MAKES it break the point of IC interaction? genetics modifications appear to be for the sake of "snowflakiness". No. It would be snowflake if being bright pink would have some sort of affect, causing her to burst out in rage to anyone who even thinks about giving her a weird look. Does it? Has she clawed anyone for giving her funny looks because she, quite frankly, looks ridiculous? To my knoweldge, no. If there is something specific I'm not getting, please, feel free to point me to it. But after reading the thread there seems to be alot of segways in these issues that are discussed. I'm only addressing the main complaint you posted, Frances, and not the replies because I don't want to get lost in what we are conversing.
Frances Posted November 9, 2015 Author Posted November 9, 2015 @FinalVerdict I believe the main point on which we're disagreeing is that you're treating all of the complaint's elements as isolated incidents when I think they are really worth more as the sum of their parts. As I already explained several times, yes, most of these traits as single, isolated incidents would probably make ground for healthy IC conflict as long as the character was otherwise properly balanced, but you're looking at a character with 99 issues (all of which scream "furry self-gratification and wish fulfillment".)
Nogo3 Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 Is there a reason you people are filing complaints specifically against The_Furry's characters, for things that are done/have been done by various other characters and players (Myself included) without a single complaint over the past almost year I've been here? I'd uh...Assume this: Disclaimer: The role of this complaint is to bring about discussion on the proper use of genetics. I do not wish to see the player concerned here punished, but would rather simply like to see people deliberate on whether such behavior should be allowed or forbidden. If this thread is supposed to be about genetics and the proper use of it, why are there so many posts specifically targetting/discussing Safiya? This also isn't the only complaint thread specifically targetting his characters. I'm aware that this isn't the only thread targetting one of his characters. But simply because his character is being complained about does not make the points within an argument invalid. While I agree that some people do seem to get hung up on a few things, I'm simply saying what it is that should be discussed rather than what the focus should be on. The fact that he has more than one complaint does not mean he is getting attacked, simply that the spotlight has been cast. The purpose of the thread doesn't pertain to it's own contents, unfortunately, so people might not agree on the same points.
Nogo3 Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 - ALL OF THE EVERYTHING - Well, yeah, sure it could be handled ICly. Can't we talk about it here as well though? It's important discussion on a character that might help to either better build them within RP and could produce something fun, know what I mean?
Dreamix Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 ;_;don'tquoteeverythingitmakesstuffhardertoreadł;_; so basically. ...this could be handled icly. Run an ic report. And maybe rp with the charater to lrean why she has high disregard for her safety. ...yep all that sounds like things that could be handled icly aaaaaand, that's why we are all gathered up here. To determine if this really is a IC issue that can be solved IC-ly with DO's help or not. You see, Safiya's questionable genetic (pink, glowing), and not (topless, flirty), actions may or may not violate the: "Characters must be believable, and well-rounded. No insane or psychotic characters. No Mary Sues."-rule. Don't you think? You can't just order us to "solve it IC-ly" and disregard everything that has been said on this entire thread. You can't just tell us that your character is perfectly sane and capable of working here, and also has IC reasons to genetically change themselves, but also providing "find why out IC-ly" as the only explanation. That's not how it works, and the staff and lore team is to determine if it's a IC issue, or a rule-breaking offence. The "it's a IC issue"-reasoning shouldn't be really ever used in player complaints. So yeah, I bombed the medbay as a non-antag, that was IC issue, find out why IC-ly. So what, my character is a 18 year old lizard yellow captain, find out why, IC-ly. You can go on and on.
Nogo3 Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 ;_;don'tquoteeverythingitmakesstuffhardertoreadł;_; so basically. ...this could be handled icly. Run an ic report. And maybe rp with the charater to lrean why she has high disregard for her safety. ...yep all that sounds like things that could be handled icly aaaaaand, that's why we are all gathered up here. To determine if this really is a IC issue that can be solved IC-ly with DO's help or not. You see, Safiya's questionable genetic (pink, glowing), and not (topless, flirty), actions may or may not violate the: "Characters must be believable, and well-rounded. No insane or psychotic characters. No Mary Sues."-rule. Don't you think? You can't just order us to "solve it IC-ly" and disregard everything that has been said on this entire thread. You can't just tell us that your character is perfectly sane and capable of working here, and also has IC reasons to genetically change themselves, but also providing "find why out IC-ly" as the only explanation. That's not how it works, and the staff and lore team is to determine if it's a IC issue, or a rule-breaking offence. The "it's a IC issue"-reasoning shouldn't be really ever used in player complaints. So yeah, I bombed the medbay as a non-antag, that was IC issue, find out why IC-ly. So what, my character is a 18 year old lizard yellow captain, find out why, IC-ly. You can go on and on. Oh god, thank you for finding the words I wanted to say.
FinalVerdict3 Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 @FinalVerdict I believe the main point on which we're disagreeing is that you're treating all of the complaint's elements as isolated incidents when I think they are really worth more as the sum of their parts. As I already explained several times, yes, most of these traits as single, isolated incidents would probably make ground for healthy IC conflict as long as the character was otherwise properly balanced, but you're looking at a character with 99 issues (all of which scream "furry self-gratification and wish fulfillment".) I think I see the issue. All the things you said weren't related to what I just addressed, atleast not from what I can see. Before I go and leave this thread I must know one thing, and just answer it outright and as clear as you can, please: how is it worthy of an OOC complaint, what MAKES it break the point of IC interaction? by this point if you claim there is no complaint, I have full faith the mods/admins will move this topic to the General Discussion, as Complaints are SPECIFICALLY reserved for ISSUES regarding characters and their players. If this IS an issue, then clarify right now in a couple of words what the issue is. From what I see: The main complaint was said Tajaran did not follow correct proceedure while modifying their genes every round - this has already been disproven. You then basically segwayed from a potential issue to a matter of opinion and taste. one of the station's regular characters is a pink, naked telekinetic cat. - Telekinetic powers aqcuired through correct proceedure and documents, afaik. You can write naked off, or else you may want to file a report against more Tajaran members, especially the men who appear to roll their jumpsuit down. And the issue with being pink? It doesn't break any rules, infact it could be considered a unique style, if the lore allows it. Specifically I need to point out: Safiya ISN'T normally pink. Majority of the rounds they are NOT pink. Well, yeah, sure it could be handled ICly. Can't we talk about it here as well though? It's important discussion on a character that might help to either better build them within RP and could produce something fun, know what I mean? - No disrespect, I know you didn't mean for me to come involved in this but I feel I should say something before I sign off on this thread: If this indeed IS a discussion, mods/admins can move it to the general discussion thread, wouldn't you say so? After all this segwaying, the thread lost it's credibility. Hell, no one is even sure if this is a complaint because Frances has an issue, or if it's because they want a discussion. Might aswell start posting images and memes while we're here, right? After all, we can discuss things in Complaints, apparantly. /rant
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