OneOneThreeEight

[Frances]

That's a pretty reasonable explanation, and certainly helps put things into perspective. Especially this part

That specific player and how I dealt with them was the exception, and not the rule. In retrospect, it was handled poorly because I thought autistically screeching back at them would get the message across. It didn't, obviously, and it only pissed them off more as well as any other bystanders.

shows you have good insight into what happened and why it went to shit, which is the explanation I felt was lacking before.

I hope your post settles that matter for anyone else who had concerns about that incident - it does for me. Thanks for replying.

[Guest]

Awesome, no problem.

[hivefleetchicken]

Yeah no, I fail to see how something that happened three months ago is relevant. On a... MedRP server? LowRP? What IS CM's RP rating anyway?

But yeah - regardless, I +1 1138.

 

I have access to staff forums so I'm gonna' assume I have the ability to talk here.

That's exactly the point, Hurtz. If his behavior is damning on a low RP server, why would he be any better on a high RP server?

And no offense, komrade, as this little tidbit is really the only way I can say this nicely, but I've observed that Delta is extremely, extremely, impossibly inept to change.

I have never seen Delta make an ounce of an attempt at:

-self-improvement

-being consistent with his announcements about personal growth/hiatus/IRL-shit

-keeping an argument cordial and polite; every time I've seen, he will resort to attacking the other poster, sometimes unexpectedly and undeservingly, on his first reply into the thread that has nothing to do with him. (Feel free to evidence any of these posts which you know I might be talking about and explain your reasoning if you felt justified in them)

-making rounds fun overall for other players (this is something I've witnessed you frequently guilt trip yourself about, only for you to continue doing it not much later)

My problem with Delta becoming staff is because of his (no offense) rude inconsistency with just about everything.

Beaming -1 from me.

[Guest]

That's exactly the point, Hurtz. If his behavior is damning on a low RP server, why would he be any better on a high RP server?

 

 

I don't really understand how you can make that connection, considering that incident only happened once out of the several cases I handled in my tenure there.

Have you considered that aside from that incident in which I cracked, that I otherwise did my job and I was a good mod?

No?

 

And no offense, komrade, as this little tidbit is really the only way I can say this nicely, but I've observed that Delta is extremely, extremely, impossibly inept to change.

 

Consider the following.

-I've stopped unnecessary selfish powergaming.

-I've stopped validhunting antagonists.

-I've stopped caring about what other antagonists do in a round.

-I've stopped ramboing into dumb situations.

-I've stopped raging at certain game modes or anyone who plays in them.

-I've stopped department hopping and making terrible, 2 dimensional characters.

-I've started involving people in antagonists rounds and making them noticable in some way.

-I go out of my way ICly to constantly improve my playstyles and moving the goalpost after every round. If I say "Wow, I played this round like shit", then you should probably stop assuming that I'm out to grief people's rounds and that I'm actually trying to polish my antagplay. I experiment with what ways that make the round fun for people or make it total suffering. I can't possibly know what people hate unless I try it once and then never do it again.

You haven't observed squat, sorry. Your feedback is really difficult to consider when you've outright said that I remind you of some other shitty archangel admin despite the fact you only know me from forum conduct and not from in-game. If we're going to go on shitposting, then all I can gather is that you chucklefuck or borderline grief, but that's not fair either, now is it?

But then I remember Great Genes, in which you joined in as a IPC cosplaying as a hulk janitor. I also heard from that round as the captain that you were attacking sec as a non-rev.

 

I have never seen Delta make an ounce of an attempt at:

-self-improvement

-being consistent with his announcements about personal growth/hiatus/IRL-shit

-keeping an argument cordial and polite; every time I've seen, he will resort to attacking the other poster, sometimes unexpectedly and undeservingly, on his first reply into the thread that has nothing to do with him. (Feel free to evidence any of these posts which you know I might be talking about and explain your reasoning if you felt justified in them)

-making rounds fun overall for other players (this is something I've witnessed you frequently guilt trip yourself about, only for you to continue doing it not much later)

 

-As I've listed above, I've improved a lot since the past year and two months I've been here.

-That is none of your business.

-I stopped attacking people without reason.

-I do try and make rounds fun for people. You don't even play characters that aren't entirely focused around screaming in the chatbox over IC radio about memes, what are you talking about? You only seem to 'conveniently' be around for the worst of me.

Which is funny, because you said you'd go out of your way to flame me to hell and back because you absolutely hate me. :/

[hivefleetchicken]

That's exactly the point, Hurtz. If his behavior is damning on a low RP server, why would he be any better on a high RP server?

 

 

I don't really understand how you can make that connection, considering that incident only happened once out of the several cases I handled in my tenure there.

Have you considered that aside from that incident in which I cracked, that I otherwise did my job and I was a good mod?

No?

 

I'll go through this one point at a time.

Hey, bro. Sorry to judge. I get that it's frustrating for a single crack to carry over more than all of your good moments combined. I'm sure you were great, but that's still no reason to overlook that one incident. What I meant was that if you cracked even once in a LowRP setting, what's to say it won't happen more often when we hit the turbo into HighRP?

Let's say that out of every 100 cases in LowRP, five of them are stressful. For every fifth stressful event, you finally crack. You could solve 100 mod problems with only one small incident.

Now, in HighRP, let's imagine that out of every 100 events, 100 are stressful, and on every fiifth, you tend to crack.

That's a lot. And that's why I'm apprehensive. Colonial marines, I would presume, is a somewhat casual place where killing and death is commonplace. Things will be a lot, LOT, more complex to solve here.

 

And no offense, komrade, as this little tidbit is really the only way I can say this nicely, but I've observed that Delta is extremely, extremely, impossibly inept to change.

 

Consider the following.

-I've stopped unnecessary selfish powergaming.

-I've stopped validhunting antagonists.

-I've stopped caring about what other antagonists do in a round.

-I've stopped ramboing into dumb situations.

-I've stopped raging at certain game modes or anyone who plays in them.

-I've stopped department hopping and making terrible, 2 dimensional characters.

-I've started involving people in antagonists rounds and making them noticable in some way.

-I go out of my way ICly to constantly improve my playstyles and moving the goalpost after every round. If I say "Wow, I played this round like shit", then you should probably stop assuming that I'm out to grief people's rounds and that I'm actually trying to polish my antagplay. I experiment with what ways that make the round fun for people or make it total suffering. I can't possibly know what people hate unless I try it once and then never do it again.

 

Awesome!

I can admit I only hear about your actions from a choice few others. If you think you've improved, power to you. At least it goes to show that you are trying to improve, though I haven't seen the extent at which it's actually worked because I rarely see you in game.

 

You haven't observed squat, sorry. Your feedback is really difficult to consider when you've outright said that I remind you of some other shitty archangel admin despite the fact you only know me from forum conduct and not from in-game.

 

The fuck bro, I thought we were friends?

Kidding. I'll touch upon the "shitty admin from archangel" spiel in a moment - what I'd like to focus on is your extreme jump to defense here. Forum behavior is exactly what I mean, and we can skip IC conduct if you think you've improved. This is a perfect example of you jumping to aggressiveness. Take a deep breath, we're both chill here, and then keep reading/typing your response.

 

If we're going to go on shitposting, then all I can gather is that you chucklefuck or borderline grief, but that's not fair either, now is it?

 

Dunno what you mean, besides my off-topic board memeing. I spout memes; don't we all? I'm not going to link your own memes from other places, because you're right - it wouldn't be fair.

What I'm trying to get you to consider is not my or your memes and joking (chucklefucky if you want to call it that) behavior, but the mean stuff. Aggressiveness. More aggressive rhetoric is not what the staff needs.

 

But then I remember Great Genes, in which you joined in as a IPC cosplaying as a hulk janitor. I also heard from that round as the captain that you were attacking sec as a non-rev.

 

Unfortunately, that's not true. I was asked in LOOC by the security personnel if it would be reasonable for me to get unfairly accused for a more interesting experience. I was okay with it, and actually remained consistently passive, and mopped floors until I had to cryo. So whatever you heard ICly as captain was a lie to make the round interesting. Sorry about that miscommunication. Well, not really, since it wasn't my choice for you to take an IC accusation from an RP-rev round as fact.

 

I have never seen Delta make an ounce of an attempt at:

-self-improvement

-being consistent with his announcements about personal growth/hiatus/IRL-shit

-keeping an argument cordial and polite; every time I've seen, he will resort to attacking the other poster, sometimes unexpectedly and undeservingly, on his first reply into the thread that has nothing to do with him. (Feel free to evidence any of these posts which you know I might be talking about and explain your reasoning if you felt justified in them)

-making rounds fun overall for other players (this is something I've witnessed you frequently guilt trip yourself about, only for you to continue doing it not much later)

 

]-As I've listed above, I've improved a lot since the past year and two months I've been here.

Okay.

-That is none of your business.

Guess that's the end of that, then.

Why do you announce these events so much if you don't want to reflect or improve upon them later???? :/

-I stopped attacking people without reason.

I can assure you you have not stopped attacking people on the forums. Read fifteen words further.

-I do try and make rounds fun for people. You don't even play characters that aren't entirely focused around screaming in the chatbox over IC radio about memes, what are you talking about?

Now I'll admit, I judged you on your mean actions more than I judged you on your neutral ones, so it's fair for you to judge me back. However, I'm gonna defend myself too, just like you did.

Can I now ask what you're talking about? I have over twenty characters. I can list them if you'd like, and then list which ones I like to scream over the radio for. Two are memes, and only one screams over the radio frequently. I have played that one twice here in my almost two years of playing - I hit the two years mark on Valentine's Day 2016.

 

You only seem to 'conveniently' be around for the worst of me.

Ain't it something how doing something mean is noticed more than when you do something neutral? I think I've touched on this point earlier.

 

Which is funny, because you said you'd go out of your way to flame me to hell and back because you absolutely hate me. :/

 

Don't bring the Skype group into this, lmao.

We both agreed there that we had a disposition against eachother; mine being that your forum behavior reminded me of a shitty admin that I used to know that had a rhetoric of droning on and on passive-aggressively, and mine made you angry over a player I never banned that I guess you disliked or something from another server - it's not important, as it's not my business. We're at terms with this, right? Good. I don't see much reason to crack this one open again, komrade.

[Frances]

While most of Hive's points seem reasonable, I don't think you should start an argument of whether HRP is easier or harder to moderate than LRP. From my experience as a HRP admin, modding involves a moderate amount of work but should certainly be manageable for the average individual. I haven't adminned LRP, but from playing on LRP I can say that people tend to get equally salty, and that if you consider HRP modding no cakewalk then I doubt LRP is either.

[Guest]

We've already gone over that incident you think I've "overlooked", Hive. I already made the distinction that it's "important" in that the behavior I displayed in dealing with that incident isn't something I should repeat.

Yes, I have a very nasty habit of not going through with things, yes I'm outright terrible at having conversations on the internet. I'm a helluva lot nicer sounding in person because a non-sarcastic non-snippy tone is hard to emulate over the internet.

Anyway, what I ask for is at least a chance. 3 week trial period, however long it takes. If I screw up once with any of the recurring issues that you've people brought up and are afraid of, then I screw up, and I get the boot. I screw up even if I make it past the trial period, then I get the boot. Fair, yes, no?

[EvilBrage]

Unfortunately, acknowledging a mistake is only the first step to actually changing yourself.

The manner in which someone responds to criticism from others in their application thread, I've found, is fairly indicative of an individual's style of moderating - and no offense to you, but I couldn't read what you've posted in response and be confident of your ability to carry out an administrative role. Having disagreements with individuals is all well and good (and the current administrative staff can tell you I've had my fair share with them) but to go to the personal lengths you do is inappropriate. It's not infrequent that I even see you fly off the handle and berate individuals for no reason; you respond very emotionally to things that often don't even involve you to begin with, and that is definitely not a quality I would accept in any moderator. Here's an example for some context:

This idea, or any other half-assed idea you may have will never work.

And I'm certainly no fan of what your preferred style of moderating seems to be.

However, I would like to say that you are not required to be nice and courteous 100% of the time. [...] If it means being ham-fisted in order to give the player a wake-up call, then so be it.

I don't have much of a say in whether you're accepted or denied, but the crux of my argument is that while your words and actions are fine for a player, you're applying for a position with higher standards. I could stretch back, but this sort of behavior from you is consistent over your entire stay here; can you honestly say you're prepared for the infinitely more stressful situations that you'll be placed in?

[Guest]

Sorry that I didn't respond, Brage.

I think I've gone the distance beyond acknowledging that I've made mistakes, one part of it is that I've pretty much avoided performing those mistakes altogether. It's understandable that at first glance you wouldn't see improvement beyond, "Okay this person stopped doing the thing, but it's basically what I expected anyway." However, I do think that modifying one's behavior is quite the step up from what I see some regulars are failing at.

Even if I were to go above and beyond, it's not like people would notice it. People here are more adamant on seeing the failures of folks rather than the sum of their parts.

If I might be so bold, I think I've done well by a lot of you folks in-game. Forums are one thing, considering we still apparently have a couple shitposters around (granted, the majority of them are quite banned by now) who only seem to exist to rile other players up. They know their very presence pisses people off, so they stick around. I mean, hell, this is basically what happens when forum moderating doesn't happen. People go nuts because they think they can get away with going nuts. I personally made a mistake in believing I could get away with that, really.

I've had different reasons for sticking around, though. I know it's corny to hear "I'm not like them", but I'm really not. I don't log onto an alt every other day just to make people indirectly suffer. I haven't always put my best foot forward, but I've gotten to the point where that's what I'm doing whenever I log onto the server: To play, and ensure other folks have fun.

Part of that will reflect on me if I manage to land a trial period. I feel like, and have seen, that the staff do not know what the playerbase wants. I want to be one of those mods that doesn't just sit on their position, but rather goes out and talks to the community that its been sworn in to interact with, respond to, and ultimately that they care. Not too long ago, I found more enjoyment in having fun with other folks rather than just going it alone for the sake of selfish reasons.

And yes, that fun little security thread. Like, #561 or something. I have a great deal of investment in that particular playstyle because security has the power to affect the rounds of a lot of people at once. There are 100 ways to play it, probably almost all of them are wrong. Why did I say anything? Because I knew that if half of the stuff that people complain about when it comes to security, was actually considered and implemented (in spite of not really having a dev team), it would pretty much stop security regulars from playing it, because there'd be nothing redeeming or fun about playing it. There's always been this horrid bias held by a good majority of the community against security. Mostly in that, everything they do must 100% be scrutinized lest someone get mad about losing at a video game.

That kind of attitude I listed for instance, is pretty dumb, and it only encourages and enables shittier behavior. Everyone needs to be scrutinized equally, not one over the other. I also want to add, if all the security players who knew how to do their job right all of a sudden fucking !POOF!, then who gets to play the cop?

More than likely, inexperienced and less roleplay-driven players. Ultimately, their inexperience will be the suffering of other players. And if they have nobody to look up to, the state of security will pretty much never improve, no matter how much you try to scrutinize them. You upset the balance that the good old veteran space cops tried to maintain, and everyone hates everybody.

Finally: That last quote. Here's my response to that.

There is a time and place for just about everything. There are approaches that are appropriate, and there are methods that flat out do not work no matter how you phrase it. In terms of a case-by-case basis, one cannot predict to have a catch-all solution for every worst/best-case scenario. I think I am competent and energetic enough to tackle problems head-on and find the best possible solution.

Ultimately; I was born ready.

[Serveris]

I understand that a number of staff are concerned for 1138's performance as a moderator based on their conduct of roughly a year ago. As someone that had originally brought up a number of their discrepancies in roleplay to staff then, and someone who has played closely with them for the past few months, I feel I can safely say that I've played alongside Delta for the entire time they that have been here.

We arrived at roughly the same time, were whitelisted for the same stuff at roughly the same time. I watched them make mistakes in the eyes of staff, and rack up a number of notes and warnings, and then earn enough trust to finally get some of their privileges back. Even that was a long time ago, though.

Since then, Delta has developed much better judgement, and I really feel that the only was he is going to get the chance to overcome the select doubts that so many people hold is to give him a simple chance. Allow him the trial period to show that he is capable of being a good figure of judgement. I feel someone that has distinguished themselves so well and bloomed so well when given a chance to succeed is worthy of at least getting an opportunity to prove they can handle it. If the trial itself doesn't work out, then you've seen that it won't work out. Don't base the decision based on something that hasn't been relevant in a over a year.

[EvilBrage]

And yes, that fun little security thread. Like, #561 or something. I have a great deal of investment in that particular playstyle because security has the power to affect the rounds of a lot of people at once. There are 100 ways to play it, probably almost all of them are wrong. Why did I say anything? Because I knew that if half of the stuff that people complain about when it comes to security, was actually considered and implemented (in spite of not really having a dev team), it would pretty much stop security regulars from playing it, because there'd be nothing redeeming or fun about playing it. There's always been this horrid bias held by a good majority of the community against security. Mostly in that, everything they do must 100% be scrutinized lest someone get mad about losing at a video game.

 

But that's not what you said. Hindsight is always 20/20, but your initial response was essentially to blame the individuals pointing out the problem rather than to concede that they may actually have a legitimate concern that needs addressing. Therefore, I don't believe it's a stretch to project that in the course of your administrative duties, you will have a pre-conceived idea about how you want to deal with something before you even approach it, because that's the chief problem I have with what you do. Have you improved? YES, hell yes you have, but I am still of the opinion that you're not right for the position. You may never be. I'm not trying to bash you, but I really want you to think this over. You seem to think the job is easy and you have the magic bullet, if only you'd just get your chance to prove yourself - but trust me when I say that it's not so simple.

It's not a matter of "ready." It's not a matter of energy, or competence. I'm thoroughly convinced you lack the ability to view a situation from a neutral perspective (ergo the way I pronounced your typically emotional response to threads that don't come close to warranting it,) and despite any other trait you may have, neutrality is the single most valuable quality that a server moderator can bring to the table. Does this make you less of a player? Of course not - just like an accounting major has no business performing surgery.

This position will try your patience to the limit, take it from me. Try it if you want, but I can't support your bid in good conscience - and don't say I didn't warn you.

[Frances]

Oh, yeah, I just wanted to say that although I don't know if Delta would make a good mod for Aurora, I think the idea of not giving him a trial at all seems kinda silly. Unless there's already some preconceived, set-in-stone reason why it's 100% certain you people don't want him as a mod at this time.

Like, he's modded on CM before, it might actually be worth seeing how he mods on here before going "nope, Delta can't handle anything ever". Because I've noticed the way people behave as regular users and as mods can be vastly different, almost to a shocking point.

The worst that could happen is that he'd call somebody else a fuckboy again. If he does, he can just be removed, no?

[Shadow]

I have to admit, you changed a lot over the past few weeks/months. I do like the behavior you have now. Is it good enough to be a mod? Well, we'll see that, I support you. I want to see you as trial.

[Skull132]

Had a discussion with Delta about this beforehand.

Effectively, the staff's issues with Delta are things that a Trial will not prove nor disprove, as they are long term ones. One of the key points being Delta's ability to swing from extreme to extreme, which would end rather badly were this to happen in administrative dealings. We'll keep our eye on Delta, and if come recruitment cycle none of the old issues have popped up, and he still wishes to apply, then we'll accept him as a trial.

So, until then, application denied.