Player Complaint: Callabaddie

[Ove]

BYOND Key: Ove

Player Byond Key: Callabaddie

Staff involved: Killerhurtz

Reason for complaint: Oh, man. Check below.

Approximate Date/Time: 12/12/2015, 9-11 PM GST.

 

Due to recent interactions with said Mary Sue, changing this to a -1.

Because they're an overqualified, athletic, white haired Mary Sue, that's why. Who needs any other reason to hire someone?

I don't like your character much, and I don't like you much. So I changed my vote to reflect that. Feel free to do the same on any apps I make, man. :^)

 

Ohh, ho ho, man. Aren't we just the happy camper? If you'd like to see the original post made by myself, and Callabaddie, check this link: http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=4347&start=10

Let me go into detail as to why Callabaddie changed their vote, and proceeded to shit-talk me then, ayy?

It's a RP-Rev round, everyone's favorite. Regardless, skipping the un-important bits, a lot of people are detained for killing people//Disobeying orders, etc. They're all held in the Communal Brig, with myself, Anja Livingstone, watching over them. They're all handcuffed to makeshift beds that were constructed in the Communal Brig, because they wouldn't stop trying to fucking break out. I informed them to stop trying to break out, and I'd even be lenient with a few of them, considering they were murderers. Nope, they continued struggling. At least, most did. Jackson Clarke and another individual, I believe his name was Artyom, were the only ones who actually listened to me, and thus, their cuffs ended up being removed because I trusted them.

Regardless, Samantha Curnow, or perhaps better known, Callabaddie, came into the shift and proceeded to laugh at me in my predicament of trying to manage seven prisoners by myself. They didn't help, they even me'd laughing multiple times as they just sat and watched, even though I told her to get inside and help me. No such luck.

I remember Samantha Curnow saying something along the lines of "Time to hunt for booze." or something of the like, I can't remember. Logs would be appreciated, if a staff member could post them. They then left, on a CODE. RED. SCENARIO. WITH ME BY MYSELF MANAGING 7 PRISONERS WHO KEEP TRYING TO ESCAPE. 10/10 CALLABADDIE.

Skip ahead about an hour, and Samantha's been watching me for how long, the exact times I don't remember. Didn't step inside once to help, but after this amount of time, I didn't expect her to. Regardless, I believe someone announced over the radio that somebody had died. Samantha Curnow immediately responds with (Not literally word for word, but this is what I remember her saying) "Welp, a prisoner died in your care. Time to put that in your records." While in truth, I had no prisoner die under my supervision. The deceased was Seon-Rin Illdenberg I believe, who had never been in the Communal or even regular Brig the entire time. Nope, immediately to the records machine, not so much as a word from her explaining otherwise, or even a question if Seon actually was under my care.

I would have questioned her were it not for a prisoner (Jackson Clarke) having an infection I needed to deal with, so I brought him to Medbay to get fixed up, as the player of Jackson Clarke can testify to, and put him back in the Brig. I checked the Records console to confirm whether or not she actually had altered my records, and lo and behold, they were. Altered by-- Woah, now. A different Officer's name? (I sincerely apologize, but I cannot remember the officer's name in which Samantha used to include this horrendous bit of slander in my Sec records with.) So, let me get this straight. She instantly assumed that a prisoner died under my care without even questioning me, didn't help whatsoever when I was attempting to keep everyone in line, and then committed slander and attempted to blame another person for it.

If that wasn't great enough, check out this next bit. When I confronted Callabaddie, (AKA Samantha Curnow) I informed her that she was to be put under arrest for Slander and Sabotage, seeing as how her name was taken off the Crew Manifest. I believed she'd also deleted her records so she wouldn't be set to arrest (I was later proven wrong, as I checked the Sec records just to make sure. It must have been a bug, as her name was no longer on the Manifest when I checked beforehand.) so her crimes were considered as Sabotage and Slander. She was to be arrested for the appropriate crimes, and I calmly informed her of this. She simply asked, "What evidence?" To which I replied with, quite literally, her confession. She then attempted to say "Without forensic evidence you're not arresting me" or something of the like, and attempted to run off. I whipped out my taser and pointed it at her, and told her to get on the ground. Her reaction was to then whip out her own baton and charge towards me. After a short fight, I have her in cuffs and she's down for the count-- I'd won against this awful, legitimately horrendous Security member, and now, she would have her time to shine in a cell.

...Until I examined her. My oh my, it looks like Samantha Curnow has ghosted. Callabaddie then informed me in LOOC that they ghosted, and they weren't dealing with this. Well, that's a pretty shitty mentality, seeing as how you attempted to beat me down and then got your teeth kicked in. (Metaphorically of course, I didn't so much as harm her.)

I'll be including this in a complaint against Callabaddie as well, as shit-talking me on my Head app is a clear sign of an awful community member. Rip Callabaddie 2015.

Edited December 13, 2015 by Guest

[punkDMD]

BYOND Key: Ove

Player Byond Key: Callabaddie

Staff involved: N/A

Reason for complaint: Oh, man. Check below.

Approximate Date/Time: 12/12/2015, 9-11 PM GST.

 

I'm here to both confirm all of this, as I had been ghosted the majority of this round and was paying very careful attention to security officer characters, and while I don't personally agree with everything Anja does and think they're a bit too robotic feeling, at least they're not someone who shoots at a fellow security officer while in the middle of detaining someone, then moving to detain the same person, bring them to brig, ICly explaining to the prisoner that they shot the other security officer because "they didn't like them" and then immediately letting that prisoner go.

Like Samantha Curnow did.

[Guest]

Post all the logs of the event publically and get Killerhurtz in here to smooth things out, as they were the moderator who handled things serverside.

It's already been dealt with in an AHelp, and I'm not interested in furthering this.

If you have an issue with how Curnow is played, make a DO complaint on a non-antag round.

Other than that, I'm pretty much done enabling you.

PM me if I'm actually needed in here, Admins/Mods, and tell me exactly what you want to know.

[hivefleetchicken]

Not a fan of your sassy rhetoric.

It definitely damages the credibility of your argument as a result because it paints you as immature and rude.

Please remember that both you (Ove) and PunkDMD are both relatively new players here and might not recognize that this server might just not be for you in the end if you aren't a fan of how things have panned out so far. But, as this may shock you, I'm going to have to put a spoiler on this.

 

The world doesn't revolve around you; AKA other people's opinions are going to be respected here.

[Ove]

Not a fan of your sassy rhetoric.

It definitely damages the credibility of your argument as a result because it paints you as immature and rude.

Please remember that both you (Ove) and PunkDMD are both relatively new players here and might not recognize that this server might just not be for you in the end if you aren't a fan of how things have panned out so far. But, as this may shock you, I'm going to have to put a spoiler on this.

 

The world doesn't revolve around you; AKA other people's opinions are going to be respected here.

 

It's a good thing you can state the obvious, as I'm a mature adult and know that the world does not revolve around me. I do know however, what's supposed to be done and what isn't. Everything Callabaddie did, lived up to their name: Bad.

Suggesting that I'm new has nothing to do with this whatsoever. This is a high-roleplay server, and I've been here for roughly a month and a week or so now, off-and-on. That's virtually no excuse and bringing it up has nothing to do with this. You say people's opinions here are to be respected? My opinion is that Callabaddie was a legitimately awful, textbook-bad Security officer who attempted to struggle when the noose was put around their neck for their bullshittery. I recognize that I'm not liked by a few, that's to be expected with my personality. I don't like people trying to make life hell for other people, and I like things being done correctly. As you said, people's opinions are to be respected here, and I'll respect yours.

The only thing I ask for in return is the same thing.

[Guest]

The amount of hostility and extreme effort put into aggressive slights against the target of this complaint is just astounding.

I don't know about what other members of the community think, but;

 

Reason for complaint: Oh, man. Check below.

 

Ohh, ho ho, man. Aren't we just the happy camper? If you'd like to see the original post made by myself, and Callabaddie, check this link: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=4347&start=10/

 

They then left, on a CODE. RED. SCENARIO. WITH ME BY MYSELF MANAGING 7 PRISONERS WHO KEEP TRYING TO ESCAPE. 10/10 CALLABADDIE.

 

I'll be including this in a complaint against Callabaddie as well, as shit-talking me on my Head app is a clear sign of an awful community member. Rip Callabaddie 2015.

 

*Shitposting angrily* like this is not how you do business.

 

 

I don't know if I'm an asshole/back-seat mod for reminding folks of this (and actually breaking the second bullet policy point, but I think what I'm posting here has some usefulness to get this thread on track here), but please please please read them. To simplify: Don't act like a dick, don't speak like a dick, try not to sound like a dick. And, the golden rule: Don't be a dick. We are seriously more civilized than this, c'mon.

Furthermore.

 

It's already been dealt with in an AHelp, and I'm not interested in furthering this.

If you have an issue with how Curnow is played, make a DO complaint on a non-antag round.

 

Staff involved: N/A

 

Ove, this is what this says to me, an impartial observer who has no context of the case nor any idea of the severity of the alleged shitcurity accusations: "I, Ove, did not care to adminhelp this as an issue to inquire whether or not what the complaintant did was in fact against the rules." Instead, you posted a very angry thread instead. I've done pretty much the same thing before, and seeing this second-hand is much more painful to even watch.

Maybe if you had been a little nicer, this complaint would've held more weight to it? This sounds like the symptoms of a generally bad round, and everyone has them. You could've convinced me, for instance, that this was an incident of shitcurity, if you were calm, collected, polite and straightforward about it.

I don't even know why I bother going on news network sites anymore searching for drama, when I can just log in right here.

But, as a closing remark, please, for the sake of everyone's sanity as well as general subforum quality. Please stop being terrible confrontational grudge-holding assholes to each other. It reflects awfully on the rest of us who just want to play 2d catbeast penis-scorpion deathfuck spaceman simulator.

Also don't do that pretentious "I give respect to people who give it to me" shtick. No. You tolerate and respect EVERYONE, in a civil environment. It is not a matter of onions or opinions, it is the fact that you are interacting with REAL PEOPLE who undoubtedly play this game to have fun and not actually to go on sociopathic internet rampages.

[Guest]

Thanks Tyranid Space Cowboy, and you too, Trooper.

You two almost make me want to lend this thread credibility by explaining myself. I'm just sorta dealing with salt on my end right now by complaining to my friends and stuff. Maybe later!

[hivefleetchicken]

Not a fan of your sassy rhetoric.

It definitely damages the credibility of your argument as a result because it paints you as immature and rude.

Please remember that both you (Ove) and PunkDMD are both relatively new players here and might not recognize that this server might just not be for you in the end if you aren't a fan of how things have panned out so far. But, as this may shock you, I'm going to have to put a spoiler on this.

 

The world doesn't revolve around you; AKA other people's opinions are going to be respected here.

 

It's a good thing you can state the obvious, as I'm a mature adult and know that the world does not revolve around me. I do know however, what's supposed to be done and what isn't. Everything Callabaddie did, lived up to their name: Bad.

Suggesting that I'm new has nothing to do with this whatsoever. This is a high-roleplay server, and I've been here for roughly a month and a week or so now, off-and-on. That's virtually no excuse and bringing it up has nothing to do with this. You say people's opinions here are to be respected? My opinion is that Callabaddie was a legitimately awful, textbook-bad Security officer who attempted to struggle when the noose was put around their neck for their bullshittery. I recognize that I'm not liked by a few, that's to be expected with my personality. I don't like people trying to make life hell for other people, and I like things being done correctly. As you said, people's opinions are to be respected here, and I'll respect yours.

The only thing I ask for in return is the same thing.

 

I'll respect your opinion so long as it's cordial and polite. When you begin to exhume this aura of smarmy, arrogant "shittery", it gets on my nerves a bit, and probably gets on other people's' nerves too.

And the fact that you are new actually has a lot to do with things, since a lot of people immediately see Heavy RP and think this place will be their place to settle down and live out their Tajaran anime fantasy. Heavy RP is a very broad spectrum, and the specific server you're trying to fit in on at this moment is, in my opinion, probably not the best server for you.

[LiquidRecluse]

note: not every action a character takes IC is reflected OOCly by their player, the ghosting is due to the fact of minimal evidence and this is just shitposting at best in my eyes.

[Garnascus]

Right... I don't like logging into a complaint with the majority of the posts being attacks on the OP and tone policing. I'm much more interested in the content of the post. Soooo lets get on to the actual complaint from here on out shall we? Great...

Anyway, this complaint came about after callabaddie dropped a negative 1 on ove's app due to the shove mentioned RP-rev round. I was ghosting during the round before I went to work and did indeed observe over handle the prisoners mostly by themselves.

Callabaddie you have a complaint directed at you, please post your side here and attempt to explain/deny the accusations levied against you. Brushing it off and insulting the OP is just as bad as him posting in such a rude manner.

[Guest]

No problem, man. I'll draft something up later on tonight once I've worked through all my salt and have some coffee in me. ;^)

[Garnascus]

That's fine, no rush.

[Guest]

Alright, I figure the best way to approach this is to break things down into points of contention, and fill in other details regarding them from my perspective.

1) Laughing at your character.

My character, Curnow, is a cavalier paramilitary type. If you want to get down to the nitty-gritty, she's a Shadowrunner sort working a cover job, for a "front" contracting company's security division. Which contracts out security officers to work at NT facilities, while receiving Sol Alliance money to act as a buffer between the AIS and "Unaffiliated" field operatives. When that kind of cavalier, paramilitary type walks in on a full brig, with a stressed out, much too serious looking woman fighting to maintain control over 7 people while consistently making rookie mistakes, she laughs. She's also not fully equipped to deal with much, having just arrived. So she moves on.

2) Ignoring your character.

Your character doesn't get to give other Officers orders, make demands, or act like a pushy bitch and expect other characters to immediately kowtow and cooperate. You're not a HoS yet.

3) Hunting for booze.

She said it to take the piss out of your character, because she doesn't respect her. Didn't actually go hunting for booze.

4) Altering your records.

Another officer was logged into the terminal, and I didn't notice. The prisoner that your character released into my care after simply shouting that "they are in critical condition," was taken to medbay. I administered extensive first aid, and stabilized them. A doctor took custody of them. They were then declared dead due to sepsis and a popped lung later. Curnow added, in the comments section, that your character had failed to identify an injury and infection in one of the prisoners, failed to treat it, and eventually this resulted in sepsis and death. She did not alter the records themselves, or set her to arrest. Merely logged for central or command staff to take note of. The individual was not Seon. I do not have any records for Curnow, and she was very much on the manifest.

5) Ghosting after arrest.

You, or your character then decided to take it upon your (them?)selves to brig Curnow for 20+ minutes, ending any further ability to engage in the round until shuttle arrival and central. On no evidence outside of OOC guesswork and assumptions, you demanded that Curnow surrender and be taken to a cell. She asked for your evidence. She waited several seconds. Then stated that she knew full well she didn't have any. And began to walk off to escort the Captain to the bridge along with the ERT and another officer. Your character then aimed a taser at her, and started counting down after quickly posting the brick of text you'd been typing up, which can be summed up (fairly) accurately as "It's red alert, and I can make any arrests I deem justifiable with no evidence." Curnow was having none of that, and drew her baton, ducked behind another officer, broke the lock, and backed into a corner several times, avoiding just taking her taser out and downing your character. Your character than ran forward, cuffed Curnow to the chair she was hiding behind, batoned several times, cuffed, tasered repeatedly, batoned again, and then immediately dragged her to a cell.

At this point, I didn't personally feel like engaging with you or your character any further, and ghosted. I expected the usual robotic security drone banter about how I got fucked up, and how they're so terribly robust. I notified you in LOOC that I had ghosted, and you could just cryo the body after taking the gear off. You then immediately began attacking me personally, and angrily typing up AHelps. At that point, I got extremely salty, even moreso than I already was, and got more than a bit snippy. I bantered with Killerhurtz a little, and they seemed happy to let things lie. I posted a bit more, venting about the situation to them, but didn't get anything back.

Then I just sort of sat back and simmered awhile.

6) The HoS App Biz.

I actually ended up popping your BYOND key into the search bar to see if you were a regular on the forums. Something about the name clicked a bit. Then I realized I'd +1'd your app. You seemed fine with the Mary Sue title when it was a +1. And now that I'd seen you and your character in action, I really didn't much care to keep it as a +1. So I edited it to reflect that. I don't recall if I posted that little tidbit at the end of the thread before or after this thread was made. Probably before. Which sucks, because that means I stirred the shit even more. Which ain't kosher.

7) The tasering(ing) of another officer.

I saw an officer running around the halls with his taser drawn, trying to catch a staff assistant who's out of his "department." Staff assistants don't have departments. This officer is using a ranged weapon to coerce an unarmed man into submission. Curnow thinks this is a real laugh, and follows along. The officer takes out his pepper spray. And sprays both himself and the assistant. Curnow thinks that's fucking hilarious. The assistant proceeds to continue running, and the officer draws their taser and fires liberally. Curnow knocks the gun out of his hands, pockets it, and tells him that's why he should stick to flashes.

She then walks up to the security desk, and tosses the taser onto the back desk. Because corporate chucklefucks who can barely handle their weapons are gr8b8. She then says "fetch, boy." And walks off down the hall. The prisoner is still secure, being pulled by the officer. The officer then barrels down the hall, baton drawn, after Curnow. Curnow attempts to shake him. A door is coming up. Curnow draws her taser, and tasers down the officer. She secures the detainee, and places them in interrogation, while notifying both the officer, and Ove's character of a detainee in processing for wandering in the halls. Both the officer's baton and their taser are lying on the front desk for them to collect. Curnow waits 5 minutes. No effort is made to process the prisoner. Curnow releases the prisoner and tells them to enjoy their freedom.

Bam. That's my side of things.

Don't regret a thing, and I feel loads better now. Let me know if anything's actually out of line, Garn & Co.

[Ove]

As is stands, I'd like to formally apologize and make my regret known that I posted my complaint in such a callous and brash manner. I hadn't gotten much sleep, I was starving, and I was still quite upset from the Rev round to keep my sanity in check, and so, you've seen the rather rude side of me. Again, I apologize for any offense/discomfort I may have caused. I'm pleasantly stuffed, of relatively sound mind, and I'm perfectly calm now. I also want to make it known that I regret not putting in Killerhurtz's name as the staff member overlooking this situation. I do not know why I failed to put their name in, and I am truly sorry for any confusion it may have caused. I did in fact Ahelp Samantha Curnow ghosting after their arrest.

That being said, allow me to more clearly put into perspective what my side details.

1:) Looking through this, I have to say, I'm even mildly offended and a bit appalled that you're already lying, and from the fact that this very character (Who is over 6' tall according to her flavor text by the way,) is essentially a copy-cat from mine own, the one you've seen on my Whitelist app. I find it very strange how you insult her by calling her an athletic, over-qualified Mary Sue when you're literally playing one, and may I add, a copy-cat from my own.

I'd like to think that Anja doesn't make "Rookie mistakes". If you could please provide me with a detailed description or recollection of this, I'd be more than happy. But when you me'd laughing and claim that you weren't equipped, I saw you in a helmet, gas mask, Sec belt, armor, black gloves, an executive suit, and dress or jackboots, I can't remember. You were fully equipped, and you decided to leave regardless. I may be confusing this with another incident where you just stood around and watched me struggle, but I'm fairly certain that you just decided not to help me.

2:) That's correct, she isn't a Head of Security. But when an officer is asking for your help with seven inmates who continuously try to unbuckle themselves, screaming insults all the while, while being murderers, and she sees an Officer who is literally just standing outside the window watching her attempt to pacify everyone, of course she's going to be yelling at you to help. This is the equivalent of saying that a prison guard in real life getting their ass beat in calls for help, only to have another guard say, "Nah, man. I had way too much training, this is below me." Who then proceeds to watch his co-worker die, sipping a mug right outside the jail bars the entire time.

3:) This further accentuates the fact that your character does not belong on the Security team. Trying to stress out an already-stressed out person who's handling six murderers at once just to make them even more upset is not something you should do.

4:) Unfortunately, your views on letting a prisoner die under someone's care and mine are rather different. This could also be attributed to the fact that you literally stood and watched me trying to keep everyone in check but decided to just stand there the entire time, not bothering to help in the slightest other than smart remarks every now and then. I was the one who did notice an immediate problem to a prisoner's health, then grabbed him/her and dragged him outside, and then yelled to take them to Medbay for me, as I was very busy. You complied, then a doctor took care of them. It'd be classified as letting a prisoner die under my care if I did nothing to prevent loss of life, or if I knew about their health and chose not to do anything. I did everything in my power to prevent loss of life, seeing as how the Warden was killed in the Communal Brig, hence why everyone was cuffed.

5:) I'm sorry, but I see quite a few discrepancies here. Firstly, it was said that someone died over the radio. Standing next to the Communal airlock, you openly said, as in, stated aloud, "Looks like a prisoner died in your care. Oh well, time to edit your records." And then left for the console. I didn't stop you because I had another prisoner (Jackson Clarke I believe) to deal with, as he had an infection that I had to treat him for. I would have liked you to watch over the six murderers inside, but it's evident that you're just trolling me and trying to make me mad, so you abandon that and instead decide to be petty.

After I brought Jackson Clarke back, and put him in the Communal, several people were unbuckled and fiddling with their handcuffs, further accentuating the fact that you were off doing something else when they very clearly needed to be watched, as stated by myself multiple times. Then, after making sure everyone was secure, I went to the Records machine in the off chance that this Curnow character really was this petty and was this fixated on trying to upset me just to be that way. Sure enough, there was a paragraph-long record against me stating that I had let a prisoner die in my care (Which, as stated previously, was not true.) and was drafted by someone else, not Samantha Curnow. I asked over the Security comms if the Officer in question (Whose name was on the record as the recording personnel) actually did do it, and they said no, they didn't. That being said, I have one officer who didn't do anything to help, told me they were going to go get some booze on Code Red, watched me struggle to keep six murderers (And one vandalist) in line, openly laughed at me, and verbally stated they were going to change my records. Who do I suspect?

I apologize, but when you asked for evidence, I did in fact, provide it. I told you that your confession was evidence, as proven by your statement some thirty minutes ago. You walked away right after that, saying, "Without forensic evidence I'm not going anywhere" or something of the like. It's at that point that I pulled out my taser, cut myself off, and aimed it at you. I told you very clearly that you were under arrest for Slander, and that you need to get on the ground. You didn't comply, and instead pulled out your baton and attempted to jab me. A short scuffle later, and you've been baton'd. I did in fact pull out my taser and shoot you while you were on the floor, though that's only because you just tried to attack me. I did not baton you more than necessary. I believe if I had to put a number on it, it would be twice I struck you with it. (On disarm intent) and that was only due to the fact that I was spam-clicking you because you were so slippery and kept on running away.

6:) You haven't seen Ihintza Livingstone in action, you've only seen her sister, Anja. Please keep in mind that everyone who had to interact with her that round, that she was extremely upset because her one co-worker wouldn't help her take care of prisoners that had escaped, rioted, and killed people, on the basis of "I'm too good for that. You can't boss me around." I'd like to also make it clear that the very same person complaining about how much of a Mary Sue athletic, over-qualified HoS Ihintza is, Callabaddie plays in the form of a Sec officer. Just take a look at what they posted for #1. This is extremely hypocritical, borderline copycat work in my eyes. I recognize that you may have had an "Athletic, 6-foot-something Security character in the work", but that's no reason to insult me and call her a Mary Sue, when you were literally playing one yourself. I also almost guarantee that I had Ihintza in the works longer than you had Cornow.

(EDIT) 7:) I'd ignored this part as I didn't witness it and couldn't testify to the validity of it. But from what I've just read, this further solidifies my opinion that Samantha Curnow is an unacceptable character to be working aboard the NSS Aurora in the Security department. The reason the prisoner was not processed by Anja is because, she was personally watching over six murderers and an individual who attempted to bust them out. Not processing the prisoner yourself when it's quite literally your job in the absence of the Warden, (Which you knew, as I told you that the Warden was killed in the Communal Brig) and then letting him go because you were too lazy to even make an effort to put him in a cell is borderline horrendous work as a Security officer, "Para-military" or no. Clearly, she doesn't have the proper training as you so claim, nor should she be in a working environment such as this.

I realize that some of this may come off as rude or brash, but I'm honestly as calm as can be. It's just the way I write, unfortunately. I don't mean offense by anything, and I'd appreciate input on this matter without insulting me or this topic getting side-tracked. I made this complaint for a reason, and I'd appreciate the lot of you respect that.

Edited December 13, 2015 by Guest

[Frances]

Something I'd like to draw attention to is the fact that most of the events being discussed here happened during an antag round after highly unusual and extraordinary events - not something you would see on a regular workday.

Should members of a department be expected to function adequately under normal work conditions? Yeah. Is it still OOCly expected for them to react the same way when half the station is in cuffs after several murders, or when everything goes to shit in any other way? I don't know, and we don't actually have guidelines on that matter that I know of.

[Guest]

Let's get an admin in here to chop the head off of this complaint and make a final decision so I can stop checking on it. I doubt either side has anything else worth contributing past this point.

As for Ove, feel free to re-read my statement. I've outlined everything that happened there, and I'm not going to continue arguing, as you've not brought anything new up- just restated your earlier points in a more restrained tone.

I don't believe that you're genuinely apologizing for your behavior, just backpedaling to save face. So I don't accept.

I'm not interested in changing my -1 on your app.

I'll do my utmost to avoid any confrontation or discussion with you on the forums and in OOC, as to avoid conflict, since we clearly aren't going to be anything close to friends, and that's aight. We can just be respectful and avoid each other.

[Garnascus]

Alright, ive heard all i think i need to with regards to this complaint. The nature of this particular rev round got hectic REAL FAST. Posting a -1 on your whitelist following a questionable experience with you after a rev round, while debatable is of course callabaddie's right. Keep in mind Ove that the final decision for whitelist's rests with staff. What is important is how you respond to the criticism. Getting defensive and posting a complaint is a bit over the line.

Callabaddie, same goes for you. When criticism is levied against you (or any player) its expected they respond properly else it becomes a guessing game of he said she said in trying to muddle through complaints. you posted when asked, but just keep that in mind for the future.

Finally, you both dont have to be friends. Nor do you even have to particularly like each other. I do however expect a modicum of decency in disagreements. The nature of this IC spat i think may be a bit of an outlier due to the hectic nature of the RP-rev in question and the lack of (alive) security personel. My advice is we let bygones be bygones here, can we keep the peace a bit?

[Guest]

No problem, man. I'll stick to exactly what I outlined in my last post.

[Guest]

Since the complaint was initially resolved on the server, and both players have agreed to move on, can this get a lock and resolved tag? Unless any other admins or mods have things they need to say.

[Garnascus]

Nope, If there are no further comments ill lock this within 24 hours as both parties appear to have resolved the issue.

[Guest]

It's been waaaay beyond 24 hours and this still isn't locked and processed.

[Garnascus]

I just forgot to lock/archive it XD.

MOD MAGIC ACTIVATE!