[Denied] Unban request (Two in one)

[MetaphysicalPersona]

BYOND Key: MetaPhysicalPersona

Total Ban Length: Three day ban- 4320 Minutes

Banning staff member's Key: Garnascus

Reason of Ban: Stealing a waistcoat from the bar... (As a non-antag)

Reason for Appeal: Everyone steals and I was doing it Icly... and this excerpt from the rules kinda defends me "-Conflict is acceptable, even if you are not an antag, but it needs to be believable, and meet roleplay standards. The average Joe will not simply decide to blow up their workplace one day.-" last time I checked I didn't do suicide bomber on Aurora.

[MetaphysicalPersona]

BYOND Key: MetaPhysicalPersona

Total Ban Length: 5 days (Antag ban)

Banning staff member's Key: I forget... I think it was a guy named servis6

Reason of Ban: I chopped off Tony Smith's head (Unitentionally, it just happen that a knife can easily chop peoples head off) so I can get his equipment and use him/ his body as a martyr for those can see what the revolution can do.- Excessive force -

Reason for Appeal: One- Decapitation was a mistake

Two- I did it in a RP way and wasn't a rando quick murder for fun, we had a chat and the moment called for me to do something.

Three- I did have him cloned...

[Garnascus]

Ill only be speaking for the ban i placed on you and not the antag ban as thats another staff members area. I placed the three day ban on you not for this incident alone, in fact its relatively minor by itself. The problem here is your character seon consistently toes the line between self-antagging and just...questionable RP, not at all the kind of behavior that would be indicative of an employee of nanotrasen. Your character seems to always find a reason to get locked in the brig for either fighting, stealing, disobeying orders, etc etc. You have even had levies against your character by our duty officers to try to curb it IC.

that, seemingly has had only partial success. Everyone gets into conflict now and then but it gets to a point where it gets so absurd and consistent that the argument that i hate to use "your character would never be employed here" becomes valid.

[MetaphysicalPersona]

You make it sound like I don't work and just go pick fights and do crime also is this something you just dislike? or is it agreed upon that my character is a nuisance.

(I'd like a poll...)

On top of that have you personally RPed with me or actually seen me on the daily basis or is this from some other source?

Everything changes once you get to know the person, this is something common in history.

[Garnascus]

Well no, i dont say its all you do. its just a consistent problem with you thats far over the line of being reasonable IC. I agree that things change once you get to know the person but it gets to a point where its not possible to continue justifying repeated dealings with security (being brigged). Conflict is fine, even getting brigged every now and then for the odd bar fight is fine. When its happening almost every round and you consistently breach corporate regulations? it becomes "self-antagging"

I have personally witnessed a great deal of this but since you had active DO things against you and the medication thing i figured id let it go IC. Im sorry but it gets to a point where its just unreasonable regardless of RP. The best thing you can do to avoid this in the future is ahelp and ask if you can steal something because reason X.

[MetaphysicalPersona]

But I don't get brigged every round... Most of the time I'm doing science things and being rude to "One" certain co-worker, and can you name what I did? most the time when I do my petty crimes it barely gets in the way of any work, I am mostly aware of my actions and know when to stop and I just feel that stealing a waistcoat... to trigger a ban regardless of my mental status of my character on pills ((Though they are anger pills not mind control pills I think... they're supposed to relax you not inhibit your actions to do what you want (But then again they didn't specify what I was getting nor left a note on my record officially saying I'm taking it)) is quite very odd, I would of understood if it were a fight for no reason but I just took a petty vest... and even when I was caught I gave myself in a and refuse to fight back despite being bashed in the chest with a unactive stunbaton by a cyoborg multiple times. and personally I think everyone currently playing didn't even care about my actions that much including security...

Same for that warning I go from the fight with Luarine that... French speaking lady, She didn't even care in the end and it was all just RP. Personally you admins never really been mean to me and you're just trying to maintain order I respect that, but I just feel you guys take things... a bit too harsh.

I know you guys been nice to me many times too and have laughs with me (Mostly in Ahelp lol) I know you don't hate me either and I don't hate you nor anyone but RP is RP and you'll know when someone really needs banning (Like those rando people from other servers who cause real chaos, trust me I met one he made me EORG by trying to cut me up) I feel that you were just mildy annoyed with what I did at the moment but I'm not a bad person and you know that and I really think I deserve another chance

[SierraKomodo]

I'd like to point out that duty officers spoke to your character, Seon-rin von Illdenberg, about her behavior, had basically told her this was her last chance to improve... And the very next round she was harassing another crewmember (Phoebe Essel), chasing them out of arrivals with a taser drawn, then continually berating them on comms after being told not to repeatedly, to the point that the HoS had you removed from security. And this is just yet another example of several issues with the character that fall in line with what Garn's referencing.

[Killerhurtz]

Killerhurtz here, mod who applied the antag ban.

The reasoning behind it was this. You lured the RD into a very secluded place, out of range of pretty much everyone, to take their ID. That is reasonable. You aimed a gun at them and told them to get down. They got down and got back up. You shot them because of that. That is reasonable.

What is not reasonable is that after shooting them, you grabbed a knife and stabbed them at LEAST five times (temptative estimate, 9 times - someone get the logs?) in the eyes/head (which of course resulted in decapitation) before stealing their stuff. What reasoning, anyway, did you have by aiming at the eyes? What would blinding them achieve? (Can knives even target eyes?)

The lure itself was declared valid, I don't remember why (but I yielded on this - I was originally aiming for a 2-week ban because of a history of this, in notes), but I antag-banned them for five days for sheer excessive force and their note history.

I'd really need to consult the logs - but on top of that, I think I remember that it was not you that cloned them. Another player (with a much shorter name - temptatively, LordQualius?) inquired with me as to the status, and asked me to get Tony Smith (the RD) back into their bodies (and even then, the cloning failed because it's really fucking hard to reattach a head).

I stand by my decision. Were the RD only shot OR stabbed a few times, but to drive my point home: what got me to watch the scenario was not, in fact, an ahelp. It was the combat log spam. That's how much force they used. I was observing the end of the scene before the ahelp came in, and the scene was a fucking mess.

As for the other ban - all I will say is that it does not surprise me. Seon-Rin von Illdenberg is notorious for skirting the line. She has the setup of an experienced security officer (and unless they changed it, the character is 19 too - placing her skill level a bit too high, but don't quote me on this, it might be outdated). Yet she finds herself WAY too often in Science. From everything I've gathered, they're an expert geneticist with advanced medical, combat and weapons training (and I haven't had, AFAIK, any explanations as to why this is. I might be wrong on the medical part though). As mentioned, they have a way of seeking conflict by being mindlessly opposing to most things she doesn't agree with, and with the number of times she's been brigged, she would have most likely had an HR intervention and possibly actual penalties (which I guess the DO intervention counts as).

There's RP and then there's borderline chucklefucking.

[MetaphysicalPersona]

I'd like to point out that duty officers spoke to your character, Seon-rin von Illdenberg, about her behavior, had basically told her this was her last chance to improve... And the very next round she was harassing another crewmember (Phoebe Essel), chasing them out of arrivals with a taser drawn, then continually berating them on comms after being told not to repeatedly, to the point that the HoS had you removed from security. And this is just yet another example of several issues with the character that fall in line with what Garn's referencing.

 

That was a joke, I spawned as officer by a mistake and decided to milk it for some laughs and I didn't have a taser I just simply chased her and said "Freeze!", And I kinda left security no one told me to leave.

[Guest]

Uh.

 

BYOND Key: MetaPhysicalPersona

Total Ban Length: Three day ban- 4320 Minutes

Banning staff member's Key: Garnascus

Reason of Ban: Stealing a waistcoat from the bar... (As a non-antag)

Reason for Appeal: Everyone steals and I was doing it Icly... and this excerpt from the rules kinda defends me "-Conflict is acceptable, even if you are not an antag, but it needs to be believable, and meet roleplay standards. The average Joe will not simply decide to blow up their workplace one day.-" last time I checked I didn't do suicide bomber on Aurora.

 

Was this last night? Because I recall you being banned for self-antagonizing and stealing the bar shotgun. Upon being found out, you decided to force security into having to hunt you down on the science outpost. Which also led to an innocent person being arrested because of the fact you were hiding behind a fellow scientist's back, so it made it look like they were an accomplice.

The same round in which, one vampire was doing their stuff and mindslaving folks. You know, the actual antagonist? Which wasn't you.

My question is why the ban is labelled that you merely stole a waistcoat and not the full fucking list of charges that you/your character had accrued in a single round.

[MetaphysicalPersona]

Uh.

 

BYOND Key: MetaPhysicalPersona

Total Ban Length: Three day ban- 4320 Minutes

Banning staff member's Key: Garnascus

Reason of Ban: Stealing a waistcoat from the bar... (As a non-antag)

Reason for Appeal: Everyone steals and I was doing it Icly... and this excerpt from the rules kinda defends me "-Conflict is acceptable, even if you are not an antag, but it needs to be believable, and meet roleplay standards. The average Joe will not simply decide to blow up their workplace one day.-" last time I checked I didn't do suicide bomber on Aurora.

 

Was this last night? Because I recall you being banned for self-antagonizing and stealing the bar shotgun. Upon being found out, you decided to force security into having to hunt you down on the science outpost. Which also led to an innocent person being arrested because of the fact you were hiding behind a fellow scientist's back, so it made it look like they were an accomplice.

The same round in which, one vampire was doing their stuff and mindslaving folks. You know, the actual antagonist? Which wasn't you.

My question is why the ban is labelled that you merely stole a waistcoat and not the full fucking list of charges that you/your character had accrued in a single round.

 

I didn't take the shotgun though... I threw it, but didn't take it.

[Mofo1995]

Uh.

 

BYOND Key: MetaPhysicalPersona

Total Ban Length: Three day ban- 4320 Minutes

Banning staff member's Key: Garnascus

Reason of Ban: Stealing a waistcoat from the bar... (As a non-antag)

Reason for Appeal: Everyone steals and I was doing it Icly... and this excerpt from the rules kinda defends me "-Conflict is acceptable, even if you are not an antag, but it needs to be believable, and meet roleplay standards. The average Joe will not simply decide to blow up their workplace one day.-" last time I checked I didn't do suicide bomber on Aurora.

 

Was this last night? Because I recall you being banned for self-antagonizing and stealing the bar shotgun. Upon being found out, you decided to force security into having to hunt you down on the science outpost. Which also led to an innocent person being arrested because of the fact you were hiding behind a fellow scientist's back, so it made it look like they were an accomplice.

The same round in which, one vampire was doing their stuff and mindslaving folks. You know, the actual antagonist? Which wasn't you.

My question is why the ban is labelled that you merely stole a waistcoat and not the full fucking list of charges that you/your character had accrued in a single round.

 

To clarify on the science outpost escapade, I was a vampire and attempted to leverage relations I had with female members of the crew to get thralls. I knowingly harbored Seon as a fugitive so that I could take a hefty blood sample, and then feigned not hearing the calls for her arrest using the excuse that public comms were often devoid of meaningful information, acted very politely with the security officers to seem innocent, and then went on to get two thralls and kill a dude.

I didn't get to enthrall her because of 1. The antag ban and 2. I hadn't had enough blood at the time. So I let her take the fall to security.

I was also actively encouraging her to flee to the outpost so that I could accomplish these goals.

EDIT: That said, I don't know what happened at the bar, and so I'm no authority on that portion of it.

[MetaphysicalPersona]

May I be unbanned now?

[Garnascus]

I only banned you for three days..The ban is not going to be lifted im sorry. Your antag ban will actually expire by the time your server ban does.

[MagnificentMelkior]

From everything I've gathered, they're an expert geneticist with advanced medical, combat and weapons training (and I haven't had, AFAIK, any explanations as to why this is. I might be wrong on the medical part though).

I've never seen her display medical knowledge of any significant caliber, but what I can speak to is her knowledge of genetics. She worked for my character Martin Richter as a lab assistant in genetics for like 5 shifts (not all in a row) and I went through a lot of effort to explain to her how to irradiate the blocks to a level where powers manifest, and I got her to the point where she could autonomously irradiate blocks and print them out. Her character as a result should know how to do just that: print out blocks that will manifest powers if the gene is right.

That's the extent of her genetics knowledge that I've seen her display, and despite her character's bragging, she still behaves like a lab assistant who is just smart enough to operate the machinery. She has a poor understanding of the science behind genetics work, and as Dr. Isiah Fraser found out, doesn't know how to safely handle genetics at all. She's trying monkey see monkey do and doing a good job at it, but nothing more. As for combat and weapons training, shooting a gun is not hard to do, same with punching, and I don't think she's exceptionally robust at either, having fought her hand to hand before (no offense Meta!).

[TishinaStalker]

I only banned you for three days..The ban is not going to be lifted im sorry. Your antag ban will actually expire by the time your server ban does.

 

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