Ban Request - InquisitorJohn

[CampinKiller]

Also, because the cool kids are doing it:

I've played with Hypatia a lot as Security (especially considering Security is what I normally play), and I think she's a good character. She actually knows what to do as Security (aka, isn't a shitter), and is good for making RP. Also, she follows most orders, and the only times I see Hypatia disobey, or at least question orders is when the order itself is a very questionable order.

Is that really such a bad thing? What's wrong with there being a character who doesn't mindlessly follow every word from their boss like it's from the mouth of God? What's wrong with a character who gets pissed off when they feel wronged, or that their boss is endangering them?

Banning someone because people get some salt over an aggressive character would be absolutely ridiculous.

[Blizzard]

I've got to say, I am rather loving the stance of being the victim that the player has now taken.

 

At this point, I really don't mind if I'm banned at all. Many of the people that have stated against me in this thread are many of those I thought as friends in the community and people I got along with. But, then again, it's in the administration's hands to ban me or not.

 

At this point, I'm begging to be banned. I thought this was a multiplayer game. A multiplayer game has a community. The community is one and one only. What's the point of playing in the Aurora if all I get are people talking to my back? People simply telling me I'm a shit player and a shit roleplayer? That I'm some sort of lesser satan simply seeking to grief and gank everybody on sight? What would be the point in staying? I played this server because I thought the community was awesome and welcoming, but at this point, I really regret taking that decision. Once more, I don't mind if I'm banned at this point. Staying would only mean getting more and more salt from the people I enjoyed playing with. At this point, all I'm doing try to gather all I can from my poor memory to justify myself for wanting to play in the Aurora. At this point, all I log in to is "you shouldn't be an ipc," "there's a new ipc restriction" and messages from Garn telling me that people don't like my character and myself.

 

I'm speechless, at this point. I've emptied my brain enough into the matter to the point of getting rather emotional about it. But my point still stands. I don't care about being banned anymore. 2k words I helplessly wrote trying to justify myself against another salty kid just seem meaningless. I don't want to justify any action of mine, any character choice, development, statement or anything of the sort anymore. I'm tired of getting spoken about to my back, and trust me that I know who these people are, and have none confront me about it or try to reason with me - but instead just run off to the moderators to tell me I'm a shitty roleplayer.

My character gets pushed around, called a bag of bolts, called faulty, death-threatenned, fired for being IPC, opened fire upon, EMP'd, force-implanted, ion'd, lasered, revolvered-to-the-head, blown up, beaten down, beheaded, detained. And do you see me hardcore LOOC'ing and adminhelping to whoever is doing such? I rarely do (90% of those cases being when people just walk past my decapitated head and not pick it up). I'm comfortable with it, personally, because if people have an IC hatred for IPCs, sure, that's your character pal. But when my character reacts to it and bashes your skull in for abusing her?

 

Guilting behaviour has been seen before from others who were put in this position. You did wrong, you're now making yourself out to seem the victim and then blaming others. Linking this back to original post, attitude towards other players.

 

Did you not do wrong when you opened lethal fire on me in the shuttle? Or when you called me faulty and threatened to have scrapped (death-threatenning your own officer)? Or when you opened fire on me for failing to fulfill an order? Or when you cannonized a mutiny round to further your meta in another mutiny round? Or when you took advantage of an ooc talk with an admin to win against me?

Livingstone, Vur, Stamos, Parison, and even Brooks are examples of good HoS. You are not. Your Head behaviour makes me gag. God knows how you got it in the first place. You are no victim here, sweetpea.

[Chaznoodles]

Opening lethal fire upon you in the shuttle was justified ICly due to your previous actions. The threatening to have you scrapped followed you disregarding numerous orders and mouthing off in the Security channel. The firing stuns at you for failing to fulfill an order came after you had been whining for lethal weaponry all shift, at which point you batoned the character's skull in, leading onto the first point of this. At no time did I take advantage of an OOC talk with an admin to 'win' against you, seeing as I was cuffed and in paincrit due to the previously mentioned harmbatoning and skullbreaking.

At no time have I said I am a victim, because it's a game. This request has been made as a result of repeated actions from you which have disrupted the course of players' rounds and fun, which has been confirmed by others who have witnessed the same pattern over the course of playtime.

[Blizzard]

Opening lethal fire upon you in the shuttle was justified ICly due to your previous actions.

 

Nope. EORG. You should know better.

 

The threatening to have you scrapped followed you disregarding numerous orders and mouthing off in the Security channel.

 

Nope. No order was given. You neglected to give us riot armor and shields. You threatened me because of that.

 

The firing stuns at you for failing to fulfill an order came after you had been whining for lethal weaponry all shift, at which point you batoned the character's skull in, leading onto the first point of this.

 

Don't see how armor and a shield is lethal weaponry. Don't see how issuing a detective two tasers is not escalating the situation, but issuing officers gear to not die from a Ripley's drill or spear is, as you put it.. When a suspect is verbally resistant to an officer, the officer is to issue calm yet firm orders, according to the National Institute of Justice. I have more than a reason to assume the use of force continuum is the same as of nowadays, else, we'd be opening fire on everyone who says "But." You outright drew your energy pistol and opened fire. Opened fire at a fellow coworker, who held two tasers in hand, and held a hatred for Keelin. Not the best move you can take.

 

At no time did I take advantage of an OOC talk with an admin to 'win' against you, seeing as I was cuffed and in paincrit due to the previously mentioned harmbatoning and skullbreaking.

 

The Faers situation, Mutiny round. After I armed myself with riot gear, shield, and laser rifle, I went on for a mutineer manhunt for threatening the safety of all crew. The first mutineer I encountered, Faers. I took aim at her and told her to halt. She instantly ran off, causing the character to instantly fire the gun. I tried to take her hostage again, she ran off again. When I demanded for her in LOOC to tell me why she ran off in the most powergamey way possible when aimed at with lethals, she said 'I have my reasons to.' I called for an admin in adminhelp, and the RP was halted until the admin sorted out everything. You came, the two that were on my side came, and some of your own. I repeated in LOOC to pause the RP while I sorted it out with the admin and Faers, given that she shouldn't have ran off. After a little moment of silence, you rushed at me with a flash while I was speaking with the admin, took me down, and the gunfight between the two sides ensued. I managed to escape, fortunately. Tell me how is that not taking advantage.

[Chaznoodles]

I've already answered the questions you put forward to me. Now, you're trying to twist it in order to make me seem like the bad guy, and you the victim, as stated earlier. Other players have also witnessed and mentioned your behaviour within this thread on different occurences.

[Blizzard]

Other players also agree that I'm not the roleplay anti-christ you propose me to be. And who's to say you're not twisting things in your own defense?

[Chaznoodles]

And that's respectable because they might not have had the same experience. I am in no way saying that you haven't given people 'good' experiences, what this is however about is dealing with issues that you have created for those who did not have that 'good' experience. On that second matter, I know I'm not twisting what I'm saying, and I'm hoping people can pick up on that.

[UnknownMurder]

I'm going to get straight to points of issues I see/had. I'm still curious of the outcome. So, I'd like to see a resolve other than bickering coming from Chaz and John. First of all, this thread is becoming more of a complaint. It's a one on one argument between Chaz and John. Second, from what I can see. No one appreciates your actions. You are quick to defend yourself, are you afraid of losing your IPC whitelist? You use 'this is how my character act thereforth justified'. I call bullshit on that. I call bullshit on your actions. When have you forsaken yourself? You're a robot. Act like one. Lastly, You want to know my opinion? It's on my user posts, the witnesses I've seen. You actually broke a rule with provided evidence on the very same round. You pepper sprayed me and someone else, and off with a harsh warning because of your actions before Chaz got banned. You beat your own Head of Security's head in with a weapon. Then, EOG happened. I know how it feels to see someone get in trouble for what you had an effect on their character? It feels good doesn't it? It's like a sibling/cousin getting in trouble for your actions. Had Chaz not taken this in his own way, you would had been banned. I can see what kind of a character personality you are, you're the kind of person who likes to get into fights, other words, a violent troublemaker. Please note, I'm not calling you an atheist.

What I'd suggest? Work on that attitude of yours. Take a break from SS13, you'll go crazy if they play too long. Quit playing Security for awhile. Try being a Medical, it actually is fun to be a medical, it's peaceful and quiet unlike Security. You'll get a better reputation over there.

[FluffyBirb]

Quit playing Security for awhile. Try being a Medical, it actually is fun to be a medical, it's peaceful and quiet unlike Security. You'll get a better reputation over there.

 

Or science! Science is fun, though there is a much higher chance of killing yourself.

[Blizzard]

You're a robot. Act like one.

[Dreamix]

You're a robot. Act like one.

It seems, majority of people (including me) dislikes/hates IPC's/shells that look, talk and act like their organic counterparts (backstory or secret interactions between friends do not matter).

Like, when JackFractal was implementing shells, he probably didn't meant to allow people to play literally just reskinned humans/cats. I liked it better, when we only had TV heads.

edit: Because, it really seems like you're playing a IPC, just to be a normal human, but with robot advantages (no tasing) and to easily have a CMO and security character (IPC skill sets, and stuff).

[Eliot Clef]

Like, when JackFractal was implementing shells, he probably didn't meant to allow people to play literally just reskinned humans/cats. I liked it better, when we only had TV heads.

 

One of the major inspirations of the Shell change was Ghost in the Shell-style cyborgs. This source of inspiration has the opposite as well: Robots which are literally human minds copied over onto an electronic medium to get a more authentic kind of robot. I would hazard to guess that "ridiculously human" (or tajaran) robots was an intended possibility, although it's been some time since Shell implementation was discussed so I might be mis-remembering.

More directly addressing your point though: The explicit aim of Shells was in fact to let people play voluntary full-conversion cyborgs, so "reskinned X" is in fact an intended outcome, although it's focused on MMI borgs rather than posibrain borgs.

[Blizzard]

You're a robot. Act like one.

It seems, majority of people (including me) dislikes/hates IPC's/shells that look, talk and act like their organic counterparts (backstory or secret interactions between friends do not matter).

Like, when JackFractal was implementing shells, he probably didn't meant to allow people to play literally just reskinned humans/cats. I liked it better, when we only had TV heads.

edit: Because, it really seems like you're playing a IPC, just to be a normal human, but with robot advantages (no tasing) and to easily have a CMO and security character (IPC skill sets, and stuff).

 

If that's the way you see it, sure. I don't have anything to say about it.

[Dreamix]

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If that's the way you see it, sure. I don't have anything to say about it.

You aren't even trying.

I remember one particular RD. It was (or seemed to be) just a human, looking and acting like one, but actually was shell/ipc. Majority of people noticed that the player has a problem of their RD validhunting, among other things. The player was punished by DO's. Then, the player has gotten a few player complaints against them. Then, they gave up, tried to antagonize others, and play a victim (like you, as others noted). They were banned from RD's job. They weren't seen ever again.

I'm not saying that you will be punished. But if you don't change, you will give up and leave, just like the RD player. Think about that, don't give up (that does not mean: make counter-complaints, or write angry stuff), change the way you're playing, maybe create other characters, maybe someone supportive or cowardly. Or a diona again.

Overall, you have potential, skills, and stuff, don't rub people the wrong way. And don't fucking play non-tv-head ipc's!

And I'm just one person. I haven't actually seen Hypatia being really bad, I'm probably exaggerating things, or basing my opinion on other people's stuff. Also, don't think that X people equals the entire player base.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

IPCs aren't humans but Shells can act like one. (And remember, IPC's can be literal human brains put in robo-body) It would be kind of silly to develop a robot or cyborg whose purpose is to look as much like a sentient being as possible and suddenly go: "No, you are expected to act like rusty tin cans beep boop." This doesn't mean that Shells can't act like complete tin cans, but they shouldn't be obliged to.

IPCs that are NanoTrasen employees would be held to the same standard as every other human or alien. They can act quirky, but if they start to act too quirky they would get into trouble with their employer the same way a human would. In that way they're no different from any other species.

This becomes an IPC problem if they choose to powergame in an IPC way. For example, pretending they don't care about self-preservation (because they do, artificial intelligences simulate consciousness, and an IPC who loses their chassis might not be able to obtain a replacement). IPCs overstepping their department's skills to do literally everything during a round would be another example of IPC-exclusive powergaming.

The rest, however, should be treated as regular powergaming. If the powergaming can be done on a human, it should be dealt with by the admins, not the lore team. Because IPCs don't have a strongly established culture, and as such, don't have any real cultural norms to "break".

[Chaznoodles]

Know what? It's Christmas. Close this. We're all people.

[Shadow]

Locking and archiving per OPs request.

Merry Christmas.