MagnificentMelkior's Head application

[Jennalele]

They still are required to sign the test waiver and have it head approved to self test.

[MagnificentMelkior]

They still are required to sign the test waiver and have it head approved to self test.

No, its part of the contract.

You disregard your character's health by self-testing, which is a gross breach of scientific procedure, and something no sane person would do (remember, Geneticists have to pass a Level 2 Psych Screening, so there shouldn't be any mad scientists)

 

It IS assumed that Nanotrasen makes their Geneticist's sign a wavier allowing them to self test but it is not recommended at all due to the severe heath risks that could come from it. (Types of Supercancer basically)

And you just made up the supercancer thing. There is no reason for me to believe it causes supercancer if you treat the radiation damage properly.

I would like to take this moment to note that self testing is a reason why people are coming down on me, but it is in fact not a bad thing to do by any objective standards that this server uses. This is a case of the mob being wrong. Self testing should not be used to argue for a denial of this application.

[Owen]

They still are required to sign the test waiver and have it head approved to self test.

No, its part of the contract.

You disregard your character's health by self-testing, which is a gross breach of scientific procedure, and something no sane person would do (remember, Geneticists have to pass a Level 2 Psych Screening, so there shouldn't be any mad scientists)

 

It IS assumed that Nanotrasen makes their Geneticist's sign a wavier allowing them to self test but it is not recommended at all due to the severe heath risks that could come from it. (Types of Supercancer basically)

And you just made up the supercancer thing. There is no reason for me to believe it causes supercancer if you treat the radiation damage properly.

I would like to take this moment to note that self testing is a reason why people are coming down on me, but it is in fact not a bad thing to do by any objective standards that this server uses. This is a case of the mob being wrong. Self testing should not be used to argue for a denial of this application.

 

I did not make that up. It has been said before by I am thinking Jackboot. (Don't quote me on that) That repeated self testing will likely lead to Super caner, that is why there are protohumans. The self testing itself is not what is keeping me from not wanting the app to go through. It is just an issue that was brought up.

[Killerhurtz]

-1 from me.

I still hear tales of Richter unlocking all mods ASAP, applying them on himself and then leaving his lab, which is against station directives ESPECIALLY when he then goes on to hunt antags and cause chaos (which is IMO powergamey and borderline chucklefucky).

You're right, the waiver for self test. You know what the waiver DOES say? You're allowed to self-test in your laboratory, as long as it does not interfere with your, or any crewmember's work. You repeatedly break these two points by leaving your lab and bothering people by yelling over the radio. Originally the reason why self-testing was prohibited was that it essentially was a far-too-common source of security threats (as Richer regularly proves). A while back the moderation team lifted that restriction (I'll need to find the exact post) but only within the confines of Genetics.

You repeatedly abuse your powers as a geneticist and completely ignore station protocols. God help us if you get your hands on Robotics/Research/Toxins materials too.

 

And you just made up the supercancer thing. There is no reason for me to believe it causes supercancer if you treat the radiation damage properly.

I would like to take this moment to note that self testing is a reason why people are coming down on me, but it is in fact not a bad thing to do by any objective standards that this server uses. This is a case of the mob being wrong. Self testing should not be used to argue for a denial of this application.

 

I'll tackle this:

First, no, supercancers are NOT a thing. You know what are a thing? Mutagens. Mutagens so severe they destroy genes beyond saving. Mutagens so powerful they can liquefy you. So powerful that no amount of cloning post-contact will save you. Of course - that's not a reason (anymore) to ban self-testing. But you know what are ALSO a thing? Security threats. A super-powerful green person with telekinesis and x-ray vision is extremely dangerous - and there's very little stopping a geneticist from just going and doing stuff while affected with those (as Richter STILL proves)

Second, self-testing is NOT why people are coming down onto you. The reason they're coming down is because you are known and repeteadly show that it's not an inaccurate knowledge that you regularly abuse that. Richter is more often seen as a green yelling man than his normal form. And THAT is what is "a bad thing to do by any objective standards that this server uses", as you put it.

Third, "this is a case of the mob being wrong"? Hell fucking no. A mob can't be wrong about a bad feeling. It is just that - a bad feeling. Self-testing itself is not the core issue here.

Fourth, "Self-testing should not be used to argue for a denial of this application". No it shouldn't. But you're goddamn daft if you think your abuse of genetics and your antag validhunting while being a genetic monstrosity should go unnoticed.

That being said, -1. -1000 even. In no way, shape or form should you get a Head whitelist in your current disposition.

EDIT: I actually went through your sheet, and hoooly shit.

 

To allow for a social hierarchy

NNNOPE. That's monarchy you're thinking about.

 

Additionally they exist to serve as an example of proper play in their department

Which you're not doing.

Additionally, in that WHOLE section you're completely ignoring the fact that they should oversee things to go properly AND that they are the people to tackle the shit when it goes wrong. They have responsibilities - they're not role+.

 

Why do you wish to be on the whitelist?:So that I can make a HoP character, and so that I can make medbay great again.

 

Genetics is Science, though. And IIRC it's impossible to both have a professional geneticist and a trained surgeon - as a matter of fact Richter does NOT have any real qualifications for surgery (and while he's done it in-game, it's more of a case of metagaming - where you knew how to surgery and had access to medbay).

 

using his genetic research to save a patient's livelihood

Which is technically against station protocols as you allowed a potentially dangerous genetic alteration vector to leave your laboratory.

 

He received an MD and a Ph.D. in Comparative genetics

First, comparative genetics is not a thing. Second, since genetics work is science (the only reason why genetics has access to Medical is because for some reason it's been decreed that cloning was within the realms of genetics), there is no MD for genetics work.

 

Also, he's good at his job, which lets me be robust

THAT'S EXACTLY THE PROBLEM. Being robust is NOT A good thing for a doctor/geneticist, as it specifically caters to combat situations.

 

I also like how confrontational he can be, as it creates RP. An example is when security tries to enforce a law that exists only in their minds, and its not code red, he puts up a strong argument.

So you mean like the supposedly imaginary law that you're not supposed to leave your lab with gene mods? And I suppose a strong argument is hulk smash?

 

and doesn't take shit from anyone unless he has to

Not a good trait for a Head.

 

He tells other people how to do their jobs if they are impeding his progress (such as a slow chemist)

Also not a good trait - because what YOU might interpret as slowness might be different priorities, like stocking the medicine fridge with actual useful shit for actual people in case something happens. (Yes, I remember that. I was Lua Saudosa.)

 

And in the rounds where I did use gene mods, I never used remote viewing to hunt valids, never popped a hulk gene in response to conflict,

 

Funny.

 

 

A screenshot, taken January 28th, by a staff member who saw you basically rush the antagonist, saying you were STILL doing shit and that it's gotten worse lately. And that despite knowing that the ERT was coming, he STILL bullrushed the antag by himself with gene mods.

 

Then we heard trouble on the bridge, and went to check it out because I brought my medical supplies and with our powers we felt we could stay safe and see what it was

Except four things: first, you went outside of the agreed test conditions and thus broke station protocols. Second, it's powergamey - because trouble on the bridge to be dealt with because you had powers? Sounds like an excuse to go full smash. Third, your presence could have hindered security action. Fourth, you don't know, IC, for a fact that it was 100% safe and thus endangered yourself.

TL;DR: ONE MILLION YEARS DUNGEON. -9001.

[MagnificentMelkior]

-1 from me.

I still hear tales of Richter unlocking all mods ASAP, applying them on himself and then leaving his lab, which is against station directives ESPECIALLY when he then goes on to hunt antags and cause chaos (which is IMO powergamey and borderline chucklefucky).

No I do not "hunt antags" and chaos is caused when people call sec on me when I'm peacefully in my lab testing out something genetics related like the GEOM disk. Accidentally flipping a table in my lab and the radio going "HNNNNNNNNNNG" is unfortunate but its not some evil thing. Also you hearing stories is not sufficient reason to deny my app. Prove to me, anybody, ONE case in the last month where I actually did something wrong. Admins have talked to me about some things and cleared me, and other things that people bring up were not even worthy of a talking to by admins. I contend that there are three discrete possibilities and want you to pick one:

1. My conduct as a geneticist is abhorrent as some claim. Therefore disciplinary action should be taken against me, as abhorrent behavior is punished by the admins.

2. My conduct as a geneticist is ONLY bad enough to be bad if a head of staff did it. So its a character issue not an ooc one. Therefore no disciplinary action should be taken against me because I am not a head of staff, AND so long as I make a new character who does not even touch genetics, I should be able to play heads of staff.

3. My conduct is a geneticist, while personally distasteful to you, is not objectively bad in any actionable way, and thus nothing should stop me from getting this whitelist.

Pick one and only one (Or if you believe this to be a false choice, prove it).

 

You're right, the waiver for self test. You know what the waiver DOES say? You're allowed to self-test in your laboratory, as long as it does not interfere with your, or any crewmember's work. You repeatedly break these two points by leaving your lab and bothering people by yelling over the radio. Originally the reason why self-testing was prohibited was that it essentially was a far-too-common source of security threats (as Richer regularly proves). A while back the moderation team lifted that restriction (I'll need to find the exact post) but only within the confines of Genetics.

Citation needed for those two points you made up about self testing restrictions, but yes I do remain in my lab unless one of three things happens:

1. I am given written permission from a valid authority figure to leave my lab with powers active.

2. I am given verbal permission to leave my lab with limited powers. No hulk, no warmth, as both are ostentatious and attract the wrong kind of attention to me. Telekinesis depends. I sometimes keep that active in medbay because its amazingly helpful to toss roller beds, body bags, medical supplies, etc around and to generally improve my efficiency at everything I do. Again, with verbal permission from relevent authorities.

3. There is some sort of catastrophic emergency and as an IAA would say things are far from standard operation. I'm not going to waste time depowering myself when someone is bleeding to death outside my door and I need to take them to the body scanner then back to my lab, for example. No one ever complains DURING the fact when I do this, I wonder why? Another example would be if a gunman came into my lab: I might raise my hands in surrender, run away, or robust them depending on what I calculate would be the safer option for my character and the best RP. (If they try to take me hostage - not that anyone ever does stick up the geneticist sadly - I'd cooperate. If they killed my waifu I might lean more towards the robust them option, if I think I can do it without getting shot (if they are unrobust antags).

The problem arises when number 3 happens and the situation does not deescalate for a good while. It is during these moments that people might actually start paying attention to medbay (not when I'm in my lab clicking buttons and rping and treating suspicious burns on people's hands) and say "look at him, powered and outside of his lab. Tut-tut Melkior, how can you ignore the supercancer! bad rp!"

So yes, the mob can definitely be wrong about a feeling if that feeling is founded on a combination of negativity bias, and confirmation bias (genetics is bad plz ban! geneticists are bad!), and just the fact they they don't observe me during most of my round, only during the parts where a super-doctor takes the spotlight (or when things really go to shit and I have to employ violence. But I hasten to add that this truly is a rare occurrence, relative to the amount of rounds I play where nothing crazy at all happens and I just do my job as a doctor and biologist.)

 

You repeatedly abuse your powers as a geneticist and completely ignore station protocols. God help us if you get your hands on Robotics/Research/Toxins materials too.

No I don't, prove it. See above. And I promise you, you can screencap this: I will never ever play Martin Richter as a Research Director. So if you're worried about the personality of Richter in charge of those materials, you can be at ease. If I ever did make a character that was RD (or any head, really) I would go by the books because If a head fails to follow the rules and it causes an issue, they can lose their whitelist or be jobbanned (or fired, in character.) The more responsibility I am invested with in character, the more responsible I act, because I understand and avoid punishment.

 

And you just made up the supercancer thing. There is no reason for me to believe it causes supercancer if you treat the radiation damage properly.

I would like to take this moment to note that self testing is a reason why people are coming down on me, but it is in fact not a bad thing to do by any objective standards that this server uses. This is a case of the mob being wrong. Self testing should not be used to argue for a denial of this application.

 

I'll tackle this:

First, no, supercancers are NOT a thing. You know what are a thing? Mutagens. Mutagens so severe they destroy genes beyond saving. Mutagens so powerful they can liquefy you. So powerful that no amount of cloning post-contact will save you. Of course - that's not a reason (anymore) to ban self-testing.

You replace one unfounded boogeyman for another. But as you say, its irrelevant, so lets more past this.

 

But you know what are ALSO a thing? Security threats. A super-powerful green person with telekinesis and x-ray vision is extremely dangerous - and there's very little stopping a geneticist from just going and doing stuff while affected with those (as Richter STILL proves)

Well that's security's job to worry about, not mine. If I were running amok on station and got mad at security for brigging me for it, Then you would have a reason to bring this up. I don't mind or complain about increased survailance, or sec being dicks to me in character. I do mind when they take it too far and arrest me when I don't break any regs and would win a lawful argument in a fair tribunal, but on the other hand I do understand why it happens, and so I don't file player complaints or anything like that.

 

Second, self-testing is NOT why people are coming down onto you. The reason they're coming down is because you are known and repeteadly show that it's not an inaccurate knowledge that you regularly abuse that. Richter is more often seen as a green yelling man than his normal form. And THAT is what is "a bad thing to do by any objective standards that this server uses", as you put it.

Clever word choice. I cannot know for certain what I am most often "seen" as but I do know what I most often actually am: a white man speaking in a normal tone. I restate my challenge. Prove me guilty of wrongdoing in ONE case in the last month, involving genetics.

 

Third, "this is a case of the mob being wrong"? Hell fucking no. A mob can't be wrong about a bad feeling. It is just that - a bad feeling. Self-testing itself is not the core issue here.

There is a really that official decisions should not be based on feelings. I already addressed this earlier in this post.

 

Fourth, "Self-testing should not be used to argue for a denial of this application". No it shouldn't.

Glad we agree.

But you're goddamn daft if you think your abuse of genetics and your antag validhunting while being a genetic monstrosity should go unnoticed.

Again, prove it. Its unfair to deny me based on feelings, when I am a robust, rule abiding player who would make medbay great again. If someone could answer this, what exactly ARE the official qualifications for a whitelist?

 

That being said, -1. -1000 even. In no way, shape or form should you get a Head whitelist in your current disposition.

Not sure what you mean by my disposition.

Edit in response to your edit:

[A bunch of angry shitflinging]

monarchies aren't the only social hierarchy fam.

Also, that question was only asking about the OOC responsibilities of a whitelistee. I didn't commend on IC responsibilities like " tackle the shit when it goes wrong." because it was immaterial to the question.

Geneticists are science and medbay staff, as indicated by the manifest, and many other things. I didn't think this was a question. Anyway Richter is a Biologist, formally. Why do you think he is provided with a surgery table in his lab? The intended purpose, yes, is experimental surgery, maybe alien autopsies (inb4 that's the xenobiologist's job, with a mere scalpel and saw). But there is nothing preventing a character from being versed in medicine and genetics. A good deal of CMOs have displayed at least basic understanding of the science of genetics, and my character's backstory qualifications are not unrealistic. People IRL obtain MD's and Ph.Ds in genetics, today. And also "comparative genetics isn't a thing." Yea, well in 2016 we don't have xeno races to compare our genetics with, but I'm going to make you eat your words anyway.

Comparative genomics is a field of biological research in which the genome sequences of different species — human, mouse, and a wide variety of other organisms from bacteria to chimpanzees — are compared.

[SierraKomodo]

I distinctly recall an incident a couple weeks ago with Richter as a hulked out fully gene modded geneticist in a nuke op round. Nuke ops had subverted the AI, the AI refused to state the law or open a door or something. A few minutes later, Richter was outside the AI core using TK and xray vision to kill the AI with a light bulb. Not a word or anything from him, he'd just walked up to the maintenance tunnel wall and killed the AI solely because he thought it was subverted. I'm not sure the AI had even actually /done/ anything up to that point, and surely NT wouldn't appreciate you destroying an expensive piece of equipment instead of resetting its laws.

There's also the countless number of times i've witnessed Security having to put you down as a hulk with lasers because you just wouldn't cooperate and were smashing things apart, albeit the last time I saw this was a couple months ago. I'm quite honestly amazed you aren't job-banned from genetics yet.

-1.

[Mofo1995]

I distinctly recall an incident a couple weeks ago with Richter as a hulked out fully gene modded geneticist in a nuke op round. Nuke ops had subverted the AI, the AI refused to state the law or open a door or something. A few minutes later, Richter was outside the AI core using TK and xray vision to kill the AI with a light bulb. Not a word or anything from him, he'd just walked up to the maintenance tunnel wall and killed the AI solely because he thought it was subverted. I'm not sure the AI had even actually /done/ anything up to that point, and surely NT wouldn't appreciate you destroying an expensive piece of equipment instead of resetting its laws.

There's also the countless number of times i've witnessed Security having to put you down as a hulk with lasers because you just wouldn't cooperate and were smashing things apart, albeit the last time I saw this was a couple months ago. I'm quite honestly amazed you aren't job-banned from genetics yet.

-1.

 

So, I'm not going to put a -1 or +1 on this application, but it's worth noting that the AI was subverted for well over an hour and had killed many crew members by the time Richter approached to deal with it. Zex (the nuke-op who made the law, this was the round where Jenn should've won an academy award for her heart-wrenching acting as Red) made a very nasty law which encouraged the AI to hurt as many people as possible. Multiple people tried to enter the AI core and became dead by its turrets over the course of this time, and every time someone came to get blasted we were saying: "ANOTHER CHALLENGER APPROACHES THE GAUNTLET!" There was even speculation as to if the AI had killed more people than us Nuke Ops over the course of its rule. Does this excuse a telekinetic X-ray vision hulk from saving the day? I'm no authority on that. But I seriously doubt that anyone ICly considered this a bad thing given the AI's lethality.

[MagnificentMelkior]

Thanks Mofo for correcting yet another false witness of my abhorrent nature. The problem with my application is that in order to get it accepted I have to deflect a thousand slings and arrows like this. Totally wrong recounts of events, regulations, and other attacks that strain my efforts to categorize. I would hate to believe it is born of malice, Sierra and others. It is my opinion that Ove was right(at least I think this was him). What is plaguing this server is a myopic rush to judgement. Everyone has an incredible certainty that they are right, to the point that they just assume the missing puzzle pieces support their narrative. Sierra, you do this a lot actually. Here you just did it, and also in game as AI, where you falsely stated that an "illegal construction" was being built in science when Cy David said he was building it, when he merely announced his intention to do so. People trust DOs, and AIs, and even random people's word. When you say something as if you witnessed it yourself, people will believe you. It is a shame that you and others abuse this trust without even thinking about it.

[CampinKiller]

I find it amusing your only defense of your actions is that they are all lies.

[Garnascus]

Application Denied. However, please don't let this discourage you from applying in the future. If you'd like to know the reasons behind this, please PM Garnascus and TishinaStalker. It's recommended you contact us, and allow us to offer explanations and hopefully help you in learning from the reasons for this denial before putting in another application