[Denied] ATLAS: For Humanity everything

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

Type (e.g. Planet, Faction, System):Political party in the Sol Government

Founding/Settlement Date (if applicable):

Region of Space:All of Sol Space

Controlled by (if not a faction):

Party Structure

Co. Chairman: Dr. Samantha Aquilien (Code name: Aquila), Doctor of Jurisprudence

Co. Chairman: Dr. Augusto Cesare Buonavida (Code name: Caesar), Doctor of Cardiology, and Xenobiology

Leader of the Paramilitary Titans: (Code name: Marius) Com. James Tiberius Henderson

Leader for Propaganda:Samson Goldstein esq. (Codename: Cato)

Other Snapshot information:

Political Charting: Third Positionism

Quick Political information: Authoritarianism, Populism, Humanitarianism (Human Ultra-nationalism), National Syndicalism, Corporatism, Syndicatism (Opposition to Nanotransen *This is not an official term),Traditionalism (In part), and Technocracy

Motto: For Humanity everything, Humanitas enim omnia/ Hail Caesar and Aquila!, Ave, Caesar, et Aquilam!/Human rights!, Hominis Iuribus!/

Long Description:

Edited January 4, 2015 by Guest

[Guest]

If you're going to drop some heavy material like a hate group on the lore then you should spend more time detailing it than just a paragraph. This is something you've obviously put some thought and and time into so it'd be a shame to see it wasted by not finishing it. Lets hear more about their history and recent actions. Lets see more about specific bills they want passed and specific social issues they've focused on. Lets hear more about them then just a brief re-hashing of what "human supremacist" means.

If this is a subject that is going to be explored, it needs to be explored well.

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

If you're going to drop some heavy material like a hate group on the lore then you should spend more time detailing it than just a paragraph. This is something you've obviously put some thought and and time into so it'd be a shame to see it wasted by not finishing it. Lets hear more about their history and recent actions. Lets see more about specific bills they want passed and specific social issues they've focused on. Lets hear more about them then just a brief re-hashing of what "human supremacist" means.

If this is a subject that is going to be explored, it needs to be explored well.

I am reading parts of the lore to see whats acceptable this is no where near done.

[Rusty Shackleford]

The name makes it sound like it would be restricted to a single planet, not like it would be in the Alliance Senate.

[Erik Tiber]

I'd like to note that the senate has only 230 seats and are appointed by the governments of the member states, normally by the legislatures. The Popular Assembly has 5,000 seats, and is directly elected.

The Sol Alliance page was recently updated, so you might want to read it again.

I noticed several conflicting and confusing aspects of their ideology. For example, authoritarianism and populism are contradictory. Authoritarianism involves little political mobilization of the population, which is basically the opposite of populism.

I would appreciate it if you went into more detail about how they rose to power, what aspects of the various cultures they're playing off of, stuff like that. Are they nostalgic for the old days, when the alliance was more dominant? Are they nostalgic for the Earth-dominated First Sol Alliance, and are they nostalgic for Earth itself? What is their stance regarding Alliance policy towards its human neighbors, what specific policies does it advocate with regards to the different species? What is their stance on economic issues, like the Tau Ceti FTZ? Do they want increased federal power or less?

Who are their supporters, and from what cultural background primarily? Is this a coalition of a number of different anti-alien parties? Did they have any connections to the old 'Sol' party, and do they have any to the current 'Oath' party coalition? Are they part of the government or are they part of the opposition?

Please try to make these sorts of thing clear. Even if the party does /not/ have a stance on an issue, that is important to know.

[Skull132]

As a random comment, this is something I can get behind. At least, as far as additions go.

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

I'd like to note that the senate has only 230 seats and are appointed by the governments of the member states, normally by the legislatures. The Popular Assembly has 5,000 seats, and is directly elected.

The Sol Alliance page was recently updated, so you might want to read it again.

I noticed several conflicting and confusing aspects of their ideology. For example, authoritarianism and populism are contradictory. Authoritarianism involves little political mobilization of the population, which is basically the opposite of populism.

I would appreciate it if you went into more detail about how they rose to power, what aspects of the various cultures they're playing off of, stuff like that. Are they nostalgic for the old days, when the alliance was more dominant? Are they nostalgic for the Earth-dominated First Sol Alliance, and are they nostalgic for Earth itself? What is their stance regarding Alliance policy towards its human neighbors, what specific policies does it advocate with regards to the different species? What is their stance on economic issues, like the Tau Ceti FTZ? Do they want increased federal power or less?

Who are their supporters, and from what cultural background primarily? Is this a coalition of a number of different anti-alien parties? Did they have any connections to the old 'Sol' party, and do they have any to the current 'Oath' party coalition? Are they part of the government or are they part of the opposition?

Please try to make these sorts of thing clear. Even if the party does /not/ have a stance on an issue, that is important to know.

First point: False, for the sheer reason Fascism and modern Nationalism in Europe was populist.

Second: They are all of those

Third: Manifest destiny impies it's stance towards it's human neighbors.

Fourth:Bias,Segregation, Apartheid, Semi-Slavery, Extremist wish for extermination. It all depends on who and what the MP is.

Fifth:Corporatists

Sixth: Increase Sol power, cut Nanotrasens

Supporters? Xenophobes obviously, and of course the Far right and Right, possibly even some Center left Human Supremacists,

And I couldn't find any info on those parties you listed,

[Conservatron]

Xullie would join, he is basically openly hostile towards xenos

also, to fix the name you could go HIIP - Human Interstellar Interests Party

[Tablespoon]

I don't see this as suitable for a sol alliance political party, especially with names like 'your excellency'.

BUT I do see it as a fringe movement created by earth ex-pats bitter over the destruction of their world and takin it out on Aliens, the inner colonies and the colonies that broke away from the SA. Maybe they could be based on the slums of Mars and Luna...maybe even tau ceti or in the fringe.

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

I don't see this as suitable for a sol alliance political party, especially with names like 'your excellency'.

BUT I do see it as a fringe movement created by earth ex-pats bitter over the destruction of their world and takin it out on Aliens, the inner colonies and the colonies that broke away from the SA. Maybe they could be based on the slums of Mars and Luna...maybe even tau ceti or in the fringe.

Your Excellency is the title of most countries Senators...isn't it? or was that Star wars?

[Dea Tacita]

I don't see this as suitable for a sol alliance political party, especially with names like 'your excellency'.

BUT I do see it as a fringe movement created by earth ex-pats bitter over the destruction of their world and takin it out on Aliens, the inner colonies and the colonies that broke away from the SA. Maybe they could be based on the slums of Mars and Luna...maybe even tau ceti or in the fringe.

Your Excellency is the title of most countries Senators...isn't it? or was that Star wars?

It is actually used by several nations in certain political positions. But I don't think I've ever seen it used for senate

[Rusty Shackleford]

The day that we 'Muricans start calling our senators "Your Excellency" is the day that Ron Paul gets proven right.

 

[Tablespoon]

The day that we 'Muricans start calling our senators "Your Excellency" is the day that Ron Paul gets proven right.

 

 

My Americaness just doesn't like the word excellency...reminds me of an emperor or landed aristocracy. I'd just call them senators

[Erik Tiber]

You seem to have somewhat missed the point of me asking all those questions. I would like in-depth answers.

First point: False, for the sheer reason Fascism and modern Nationalism in Europe was populist.

You miss my point. Fascism is by definition populist. It is not authoritarian. So, based on what you've said, I'm just going to say that this party must not be authoritarian. If someone who knows politics wants to correct me, please do so.

Second: They are all of those

Third: Manifest destiny impies it's stance towards it's human neighbors.

I'd like you to be more explicit and less implicit. Explain what exactly you mean. Explain the specific methods they want to use. Specific policies they would support.

Fourth:Bias,Segregation, Apartheid, Semi-Slavery, Extremist wish for extermination. It all depends on who and what the MP is.

I'd like you to go into detail about this.

Fifth:Corporatists

So they want to enact economic fascism, where the economy has central planning but this planning gets delegated to various state-sponsored private monopolies?

I want you to elaborate. Explain what you mean. Go in-depth.

Sixth: Increase Sol power, cut Nanotrasens

What do you mean? Do they want to increase the power of the Sol system in particular? Do they want to increase the power of the central government in the Sol Alliance relative to the power of the individual member states? Do they want to increase the power of the Sol Alliance relative to other human nations?

Do they only want to cut the power of nanotrasen, or do they want to decrease the power of megacorps in general?

Supporters? Xenophobes obviously, and of course the Far right and Right, possibly even some Center left Human Supremacists,

And I couldn't find any info on those parties you listed,

This is vague. Labels such as 'right' or 'left' are vague to the point of uselessness. Who do they appeal to, in terms of social class? IE among the rich or poor. Do they appeal to Earth ex-pats? Do they appeal to people in the larger more populous worlds, or in the less populated settlements? Please be less vague.

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

You seem to have somewhat missed the point of me asking all those questions. I would like in-depth answers.

First point: False, for the sheer reason Fascism and modern Nationalism in Europe was populist.

You miss my point. Fascism is by definition populist. It is not authoritarian. So, based on what you've said, I'm just going to say that this party must not be authoritarian. If someone who knows politics wants to correct me, please do so.

Second: They are all of those

Third: Manifest destiny impies it's stance towards it's human neighbors.

I'd like you to be more explicit and less implicit. Explain what exactly you mean. Explain the specific methods they want to use. Specific policies they would support.

Fourth:Bias,Segregation, Apartheid, Semi-Slavery, Extremist wish for extermination. It all depends on who and what the MP is.

I'd like you to go into detail about this.

Fifth:Corporatists

So they want to enact economic fascism, where the economy has central planning but this planning gets delegated to various state-sponsored private monopolies?

I want you to elaborate. Explain what you mean. Go in-depth.

Sixth: Increase Sol power, cut Nanotrasens

What do you mean? Do they want to increase the power of the Sol system in particular? Do they want to increase the power of the central government in the Sol Alliance relative to the power of the individual member states? Do they want to increase the power of the Sol Alliance relative to other human nations?

Do they only want to cut the power of nanotrasen, or do they want to decrease the power of megacorps in general?

Supporters? Xenophobes obviously, and of course the Far right and Right, possibly even some Center left Human Supremacists,

And I couldn't find any info on those parties you listed,

This is vague. Labels such as 'right' or 'left' are vague to the point of uselessness. Who do they appeal to, in terms of social class? IE among the rich or poor. Do they appeal to Earth ex-pats? Do they appeal to people in the larger more populous worlds, or in the less populated settlements? Please be less vague.

...did you just say...fascism is not authoritarian?

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

I don't see this as suitable for a sol alliance political party, especially with names like 'your excellency'.

BUT I do see it as a fringe movement created by earth ex-pats bitter over the destruction of their world and takin it out on Aliens, the inner colonies and the colonies that broke away from the SA. Maybe they could be based on the slums of Mars and Luna...maybe even tau ceti or in the fringe.

Your Excellency is the title of most countries Senators...isn't it? or was that Star wars?

It is actually used by several nations in certain political positions. But I don't think I've ever seen it used for senate

Turns out Senators are called "The Honorable *Insert name here*"

[Erik Tiber]

...did you just say...fascism is not authoritarian?

Please reply to the rest of my post. And yes, I did. EDIT: Apparently I'm confused over the definition of authoritarian and different meanings of the word. Bah, I'll let someone who knows better correct this, and I'll try to do more research first.

Please be more detailed in your replies. Please actually reply to the rest of my post, or read it at the very least. Also, if you will only respond to a tiny portion of my post, would you mind cutting everything you aren't replying to?

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

...did you just say...fascism is not authoritarian?

Please reply to the rest of my post. And yes, I did. EDIT: Apparently I'm confused over the definition of authoritarian and different meanings of the word. Bah, I'll let someone who knows better correct this, and I'll try to do more research first.

Please be more detailed in your replies. Please actually reply to the rest of my post, or read it at the very least. Also, if you will only respond to a tiny portion of my post, would you mind cutting everything you aren't replying to?

I will reply to you later, i'm current;y FInishing an Essay and playing

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Geopolitical/historian loremin reporting.

 

Ideology: Human Supremacist, Human Ultranationalist, Pax Humanitas, Manifest Destiny of Space, Authoritarianism, Populism

 

You miss my point. Fascism is by definition populist. It is not authoritarian. So, based on what you've said, I'm just going to say that this party must not be authoritarian. If someone who knows politics wants to correct me, please do so.

 

In most cases, populism is a tool to get fascists in power. Once they are the elite, that doctrine adjusts itself. But this party isn't in control yet, so it's fine. And to clear it up: 'Populism =/= authoritarianism' is incorrect. Populism is basically going "The guys in power? Don't they suck? They're the reason you're poor. We love the poor - so you should love us!"

 

divine manifest [destiny]

 

I can dig this. It's like the Warhammer 40k universe, with the Imperium of Man claiming ownership of all humanity. I wonder if you could also carry a similar disdain for... HERESY!

 

My Americaness just doesn't like the word excellency...reminds me of an emperor or landed aristocracy. I'd just call them senators

Fascists have two things going for them: A great dress sense, and bourgeois titles. But since it's just for Senators, I would shift it perhaps "The Honourable" or just stick with what the Alliance called their senators.

 

I'd like you to be more explicit and less implicit. Explain what exactly you mean. Explain the specific methods they want to use. Specific policies they would support.

 

"Manifest destiny" is itself an explicit term. You can extrapolate from it rather easily, I think. They'll support policies that increase their power, and generally get human+their strength up and aliens+rivals strength down.

 

Sixth: Increase Sol power, cut Nanotrasens

 

Fascists love to control big monopolies where it suits the national interests. Since Plasma is so super duper important, a fascist Sol Alliance would want to control Nanotrasen. That's something you should adjust. Of course, advocation =/= actual goals. A populist movement could capitalize on the public disdain for the power of Nanotrasen for political power, with desire to control the corporation for material and economic power.

[Bsmiffy78]

I will quote thy dead-headed one by saying,

..this is something I can get behind..

[Conservatron]

renamed again?

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

renamed again?

HIIP sounded Stupid, So yeah Atlas, Plus going with more of a poorer Cerberus theme now

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

I'm going to have to deny this application. The SA isn't going to tolerate hate groups being so openly active and hateful in its political life. You are free to resubmit an application if you feel like reworking it to be less out of tune with the IC atmosphere of alien relations.

Sorry for the delay.