Admin Complaint - Alberyk and Tainavaa

[hivefleetchicken]

BYOND Key: Hivefleetchicken

Staff BYOND Key: Alberyk, Tainavaa

Reason for complaint: Right, keep in mind that I didn't actually want to bring this up at all. However it's come to my attention that I need to post this complaint before things get out of hand (I'll explain this later.)

I made a character - and Unathi clansman of a very powerful and influential clan - the Uaekis. They've got close ties to the Hegemony and are undoubtedly well-supplied with pretty well-honored members (take Sisariarot).

My character was patrolling the halls as a security officer when he stumbled upon the wife of Sslazhir Yinzr, Usara. At this point, I was semi-sure that Sslazhir was famous for his whole gossip-affair with Ana Roh'hi'tin, and thought I'd make small talk of it with Usara. I made SURE not to just go right ahead, and I asked the loremaster if this was the case.

As you can see, he told me that "everyone knows". Not only that, but I also observed that an Unathi diplomat personally went to Yinzr and threatened him with this statement:

SO, with that all in mind, I thought nothing would really come of me shooting the breeze with Usara about it. I brought it up with her and she seemed in denial, which was a bit of a red flag for me.

I kept the conversation up, continuously reminding Usara that despite how degenerate the news sounded, that I was accusing Yinzr of nothing. I had no proof and was not the one trying to incriminate him, I was just repeating what I'd heard. Feel free to check the logs on this, I say it about three times over this encounter.

Then boom. Yinzr enters the room, instantly starts standing right up in my private square. I try to remain pretty passive and tell him that I'm not accusing him and don't have proof to anyways, and he starts talking in common to make it all the more dramatic. He then asks me 'prove?' and as I begin to respond he starts harm batoning me like mad. (Check the actual evidence part for this), and THEN tries shooting me! Keep in mind: This is not even a FULL DAY after his complaint was closed for him being too aggressive and murderboney as a non-antag officer over stupid petty shit.

Fortunately I bring him down before he can attack me any more with non-lethal pepperspray as Usara drags him around the room and begs me to stop, as though I'm the aggressor, and she drags him off and uncuffs him in the middle of the brig from where he peppersprays me and eventually is coaxed into serving his time in a cell at the hands of Ana Roh'hi'tin (who handled this all super maturely I have to say, props to them).

This is where this whole shebang became an admin incident, if you're wondering why I've made this an admin complaint.

Almost instantly after this, and I go to tell my commander about what happened, Tainavaa PMs me demanding to know how I had IC knowledge of Yinzr's personal affairs. I explained that A. I was informed everyone was aware of them by the CANON HEAD himself, and B. witnessed the CANON HEAD himself telling Yinzr that he would be considered a degenerate and his clan would be raised if he so much as gave Ana a peck on the cheek.

Apparently, this wasn't enough, and Tainavaa proceeded to mole around and PM people asking about the source of this gossip:

They were told by Tainavaa that I was 'possibly metagrudging' as you can see above, which was a flat out lie (And I'm sure Tainavaa knows this; more on this later), because had I been metagrudging I would have ran straight to Yinzr first thing in the round and said "AHHH DEGENERATE I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO". INSTEAD I was passing by Usara mid-round and was curious if she knew already, thinking some Unathi (Uaekis) would know and others (Her) wouldn't, before being told EVERYONE knew so I just thought I was making smalltalk about Unathi IC shitgossip.

Anyways, this STILL failed to be a big issue in my mind. Tainavaa forced me to say that I really had no IC idea that that was a thing and that I had to forget about hearing about those personal affairs, and that's okay, because as long as it avoids conflict I'm okay with adapting my IC knowledge a bit. That's completely fine.

Eventually I ran out of time (It was way too late and I had 2 exams the next day) so I PM'd Tain I had to go after they didn't respond for a while, waited another long expanse of time, and then finally left.

However, tonight, I fear something much more malicious is up with them. I was told by multiple people, mostly staff, that Tainavaa and Alberyk explicitly were going to try to either scare me out of Aurora or force me out of Aurora.

 

Also they have a thread in the modmin forums dedicated to an 'investigation' on me. It's ridiculous; I've been here two years and my job isn't to grief or metagrudge.

And the admins' job isn't to form biases and attack people based on IC beliefs.

So, here we have it. Two staff apparently fiddle-riddle-diddle-rustled about IC bullshit and trying to throw the book at me for it. Tain, Alberyk, I know you both dislike me, but this is far past immature and merely reflects how much bias you hold and how much power you misuse.. Alberyk, it's clear you also didn't even CONSIDER the complaint made by Delta even though you were almost secbanned for three weeks because of your actions. Not 24 hours later you were harmbatoning people and shooting them in the brig lobby after asking them a question to take their defense down.

Evidence/logs/etc:The following logs are where Alberyk began to attack me after asking a question and waiting for the speech bubble to show above my head. I unfortunately don't have any other logs because I didn't think this was a big deal. However, I've actually been informed that these two staff are planning on banning me for it from MULTIPLE MODERATORS AND ADMINS that are (fortunately) able to see how backwards and snakey this is.

Sslazhir Yinzr asks, "Prove?"

Il'Thoriav Ueakis has been beaten in the upper body with stunbaton by Sslazhir Yinzr!

Your armor has protected your upper body.

Il'Thoriav Ueakis has been beaten in the upper body with stunbaton by Sslazhir Yinzr!

Your armor has softened hit to your upper body.

Il'Thoriav Ueakis screams!

Il'Thoriav Ueakis says, "I am not the ba-"

Your upper body hurts.

At this point he tries to shoot me with his rubber rounds.

You switch the safety off.

Sslazhir Yinzr draws the Custom NT Mk58, ready to shoot!

Sslazhir Yinzr fires the Custom NT Mk58!

You switch the safety on.

You draw the NT Mk58, pointing it at the ground.

You insert the magazine (.45 rubber) into the NT Mk58.

Phoebe Essel sits back, folding her arms in her lap.

You will now take people captive.

I brought him down with pepperspray at this point.

Il'Thoriav Ueakis aims a NT Mk58 at Sslazhir Yinzr!

Sslazhir Yinzr has been prodded in the upper body with the stunbaton by Il'Thoriav Ueakis!

Sslazhir Yinzr screams!

Sslazhir Yinzr has been prodded in the upper body with the stunbaton by Il'Thoriav Ueakis!

Sslazhir Yinzr screams!

Ana Roh'hi'tin says, "STOP."

He was pulled away from me by Usara and was clearly not done fighting, so I dispatched him with my baton to make sure he wouldn't attack me more.

Usara Yinzr exclaims, "SSTOP!!"

Sslazhir Yinzr slumps to the ground, too weak to continue fighting.

Dear god, the pain!

Il'Thoriav Ueakis aims a NT Mk58 at Sslazhir Yinzr!

You put the stunbaton into the security backpack.

Phoebe Essel says, "The gray-scaled one started it."

Il'Thoriav Ueakis is attempting to put handcuffs on Sslazhir Yinzr!

Il'Thoriav Ueakis has put handcuffs on Sslazhir Yinzr!

You shake Sslazhir Yinzr trying to wake him up!

Sslazhir Yinzr attempts to remove the handcuffs!

Il'Thoriav Ueakis says, "Ssstop."

Sslazhir Yinzr attempts to remove the handcuffs!

He instantly just kept spamming resist, I'm not sure if breaking cuffs is in this code.

[security] Il'Thoriav Ueakis says, "Yinzr beat me with a baton."

Il'Thoriav Ueakis says, "Yinzr beat me with a baton."

Usara Yinzr shouts, "Leave him!"

Ana Roh'hi'tin removes the magazine (.45 rubber) from the Custom NT Mk58.

Ana Roh'hi'tin inserts the magazine (.45 rubber) into the Custom NT Mk58.

[security] Sinead queries, "Why is he being detained?"

[security] Adrian Jamison-Johnson asks, "Well, did you deserve it?"

Sslazhir Yinzr is having trouble keeping their eyes open.

[security] Il'Thoriav Ueakis says, "Then fired on me when I peppersssprayed him."

Il'Thoriav Ueakis says, "Then fired on me when I peppersssprayed him."

At this point Usara dragged him to a corner, uncuffed him, and allowed him to pepperspray me multiple times and try to pretend he was the victim until the other officers arrested him for assault.

 

Additional remarks: I'm making this complaint preemptively due to the fact that I've been told by numerous staff that Tainavaa and Alberyk are secretly beginning to try and find ways to get rid of me. It's childish, sneaky, and proves that they're just downright biased.

If they hadn't been planning this, I would not have made this complaint. This is a petty IC issue that they're trying to use to paint me as malicious and I'm here to beat them to it.

[Tainavaa]

I was on the lookout for you earlier Hive, I meant to ask you about that round earlier but I guess I missed you; I saw you on who but it was at the end of a round and you didn't show up during the next round. Might as well ask here instead of waiting; I was told that your Unathi sourced an Unathi shaman of sorts, a diviner who said the spirits told him about Yinzr's degeneracy. Is there any validity to that, or did your character say anything along those lines?

[hivefleetchicken]

I was on the lookout for you earlier Hive, I meant to ask you about that round earlier but I guess I missed you; I saw you on who but it was at the end of a round and you didn't show up during the next round. Might as well ask here instead of waiting; I was told that your Unathi sourced an Unathi shaman of sorts, a diviner who said the spirits told him about Yinzr's degeneracy. Is there any validity to that, or did your character say anything along those lines?

 

I didn't say anything about divines speaking to my character, or at least MEAN anything about them directly telling him, but it would be easy for that miscommunication since I referred to the Uaekis' more honorable clansmen who had knowledge about it as divinely knowledgeable and honorable, etc. I think I said something along the lines of the spiritual guide of the clan (the top dog ofc, which could mean either a higher up Ueakis clansman OR the Unathi diplomat since both are held pretty high and I didn't want to specify my reasoning on one short question in skype but rather a lot of IC silly gossip going around).

Now can you please respond to the rest of the evidence I've provided, including why you're posting screenshots in a thread you made entirely about me in the moderator forum in an attempt to incriminate me with a vast foundation of salt and heavy breathing?

i.e., this one right here?

These quotes display no actual intent to target Alberyk on the station; this in fact refers to a very long standing meme in the chat where the group of single unmarried lizards (karn, zubari, sakari, sirasiarot or whatever, and a few others) would probably circle around Yinzr after a shift, probably at his home, with baseball bats and wood planks, and beat him up like a meowfia because he's gone soft and settled in too far for the thug life to tolerate.

AND then, you've got a log right after making a direct link to Alberyk needing to be taken down actively because of his moderator status (not to condemn whoever said this), and you instead use these screenshots to show how I'M the major evil here?

Edited March 4, 2016 by Guest

[Alberyk]

Alright, let me explain why Yinzr was rather violent, because he had to save Usara twice, once for an engineer vampire which was dragging her into the maint and then, he has to fight another vampire, which he found preying upon her, while she was cuffed. So, pretty much he struggle all of this to save Usara from being attacked and just walk into another unathi, that he has no idea who is it, or what is he talking about and he hears things like that;

 

Il'Thoriav Uaekis hisses -

Il'Thoriav Uaekis says, "-Oh."

Il'Thoriav Uaekis says, "You're the one."

Usara Yinzr bowed her head to the other Unathi.

Usara Yinzr says, "Greetingsss."

Il'Thoriav Uaekis barks out an abrasive cackle.

[Engineering] Boopers asks, "Also, were you able to set virology to repressurize?"

Elena Volkova finishes eating Warm Donk-pocket.

[Engineering] Sinead states, "Affirmed."

Il'Thoriav Uaekis says, "Ssspoussse of a manwhore."

Usara Yinzr blinks, looking confused.

Phoebe Essel says, "Dare you to tell him that."

Usara Yinzr narrowed her eyes.

Il'Thoriav Uaekis says, "You belong in a mussseum."

Usara Yinzr hisses, "why do you speak ill of my husband?"

Elena Volkova opens a book titled "The Space Survival Guide: Depressurization" and begins reading intently.

Usara Yinzr hisses, "What has he done to you?"

[Engineering] Boopers asks, "could you please adjust the to-port pressure to max to fill these portable air tanks?"

Adrian Jamison-Johnson says, "God damn it, Dennis."

Elena Volkova has thrown Book: The Space Survival Guide: Depressurization.

[Engineering] Boopers says, "Fill to max, rather. Synthesizer error."

Phoebe Essel says, "Dennis, please be nice."

Il'Thoriav Uaekis hisses, "He has insulted the honor of my clan. For the Uaekis to have even associated with him in the past while these... Deviancies were underway."

Adrian Jamison-Johnson says, "I can shove back, so help me."

DENN1S states, "I SUBSCRIBE TO NO GOD, ONLY LAW"

Phoebe Essel pays the borg, shushing it.

Usara Yinzr hisses, "What deviances?"

Usara Yinzr hisses, "What do you speak of?"

DENN1S states, "ARE YOU THREATENING AN OFFICER OF THE LAW"

You put the breath mask into the box.

Il'Thoriav Uaekis hisses, "He mates with the Tajara. You know this."

Usara Yinzr frowned, looking shocked at the other Unathi's accusation.

Usara Yinzr roas, "He does not mate with a Tajara!"

Adrian Jamison-Johnson says, "... And if I am? Come at me."

[Engineering] Sinead states, "Virology clear."

Dan Nowell says, "Hey, uhh. I'm reading Oxygen damage on some people in the prison wing."

Usara Yinzr roars, "I am his wife!"

[Common] Aurelia states, "Someone has killed Pun Pun."

Il'Thoriav Uaekis hisses, "To devalue a prized mate is one thing. To attempt breed with a Tajara whilst doing so...."

Sslazhir Yinzr hisses, "Do I know you?"

Il'Thoriav Uaekis hisses, "Do not raise your voice at me, woman."

DENN1S states, "I WILL NOT ALLOW THREATS TO ACTIVE LAW OFFICERS"

Dan Nowell has analyzed Sslazhir Yinzr's vitals.

Sslazhir Yinzr points to Il'Thoriav Uaekis

[Engineering] Boopers asks, "Is that a yes or no to the atmospherics to-port pump pressure setting?"

Usara Yinzr chuffed angrily, thumping her tail forcefully against the floor.

[Engineering] Sinead states, "I am unable to."

Il'Thoriav Uaekis hisses, "Your frustration is well founded. But I do not deserve its focus."

Il'Thoriav Uaekis hisses.

Dan Nowell is trying to inject Sslazhir Yinzr with a syringe!

Dan Nowell injects Sslazhir Yinzr with the syringe!

[Engineering] Boopers asks, "Could you momentarily open atmospherics then?"

Il'Thoriav Uaekis hisses, "You do not. But you soon may."

Dan Nowell puts the toxin first aid into the medical backpack.

Phoebe Essel softly, "..Are they going to fight? Is it bad that I hope they will?"

Usara Yinzr roars, "You accuse my husband of something he has not committed!"

Il'Thoriav Uaekis hisses, "I accuse him of nothing."

[Engineering] Boopers says, "Thank you."

Sslazhir Yinzr hisses, "I killed someone for you today, Usara."

Il'Thoriav Uaekis hisses, "He needs no further incrimination."

Adrian Jamison-Johnson says, "Actually, excuse me."

Sslazhir Yinzr hisses, "Do not listen to low dogs barking lies."

Il'Thoriav Uaekis hisses, "He has already been proven."

Ana Roh'hi'tin taps on her PDA's screen.

*beep*

Usara Yinzr looked between her husband and Il'Thoriav.

Il'Thoriav Uaekis says, "- Proven to involve himself in degeneracccy with another sssspecccciessss."

Il'Thoriav Uaekis cracks his neck.

 

So, yes, Yinzr fought with teeth and nail to protect Usara and make sure that she is safe, and some guy that he has no idea who is it come out of nowhere claiming shit that he is not loyal. Pretty much that, after being nearly spaced, infected with a virus, fighting against a vampire, poisoned with radium, he has to deal with high levels of bullshit from someone that he do not even know.

Also, this; "Il'Thoriav Uaekis hisses, "He has insulted the honor of my clan. For the Uaekis to have even associated with him in the past while these... Deviancies were underway.""

Yinzr's clan has no links with Uaekis or whatever. Not even the unathi that are slightly aware of any kind of affair came around throwing this amount of accusations, and some of them make little sense for your character to know. And I did ahelp when I heard this, I asked for the staff to investigate, nothing else, in any moment I asked for a ban or anything. So, yes, your character made a lot of accusations, that he had no real way to be aware, and since Yinzr was pretty much distressed and had his loyalty questioned even after he did struggle to save Usara twice, he started a fight.

[hivefleetchicken]

Yinzr's clan has no links with Uaekis or whatever. Not even the unathi that are slightly aware of any kind of affair came around throwing this amount of accusations, and some of them make little sense for your character to know. And I did ahelp when I heard this, I asked for the staff to investigate, nothing else, in any moment I asked for a ban or anything. So, yes, your character made a lot of accusations, that he had no real way to be aware, and since Yinzr was pretty much distressed and had his loyalty questioned even after he did struggle to save Usara twice, he started a fight.

 

Okay, awesome. An actual goof I made, thanks for pointing that out. I'll admit I assumed the diplomat was someone from the Uaekis clan because I never actually saw him in-game, I don't think. The reason I stated that it seemed very spookygross that the Uaekis were involved with Yinzr while he was hanging out with cat chicks was because I thought that diplomat who frequently spoke with Yinzr was a Uaekis and thus the clans had a lot of interaction. That is in fact a bad of mine.

However Uaekis' foul language wasn't actually supposed to trigger Sslazhir, in fact I didn't even know you were there and you kinda' caught me off guard when I saw you come in. I was actually just trying to depict a bit of discrimination against an Unathi woman (Usara) with such dignity and freedom as she was given to be her own engineer on the Aurora. Which is why I said stuff like "You belong in a museum!" and such. Had Uaekis known Sslazhir was right there he would have been much more honorable, however he didn't actually feel the current party was inclined to such respect because she was an independent strong Unathi who don't need no kismet title.

EDIT: Yeah, I looked over the logs one more time, you can see where Sslazhir enters the room and states "Do I know you?", and Uaekis takes on a much different tone. Before he was a prick to the female.

[Tainavaa]

I'm going to guess you've seen the thread which doesn't really surprise me. But I stated in the preface of it why I put the thread up; because I knew precisely this would happen if anybody accused you of, or found you, doing anything wrong. This very thing, in this exact manner, is what I predicted to any hint of a negative judgment toward you. Your responses to these things aren't exactly secret.

The only difference here is that you decided to make the complaint pre-emptively before anything even happened. That being said, I see no evidence of anything here beyond some baseless speculation. Once I was finished gathering everything and discussing with the admins, I was going to show you and talk to you about it. Still plan to.

[hivefleetchicken]

I'm going to guess you've seen the thread which doesn't really surprise me. But I stated in the preface of it why I put the thread up; because I knew precisely this would happen if anybody accused you of, or found you, doing anything wrong. This very thing, in this exact manner, is what I predicted to any hint of a negative judgment toward you. Your responses to these things aren't exactly secret.

I'm glad we understand this. If you find me doing something wrong, talk to me about it. And don't do it in secret behind closed doors. Let people see what the problem is, otherwise it's just a bunch of screenshotting quotes and miscommunication. Unfortunately instead of making an actual complaint, you made a complaint-kin in the hidden forums directly about me.

 

The only difference here is that you decided to make the complaint pre-emptively before anything even happened.

"Before anything happened"? You made a secret thread about me and filled it with "incriminating evidence" of my "metagrudging". Something definitely did happen.

I've said a million times before that I never throw the first punch, and I did this "preemptively" only in the sense that the issue wasn't entirely public yet. You made the issue and issue by making a thread about it - I just brought it here. So, no offense, but please don't say this whole shebang is now my doing.

 

That being said, I see no evidence of anything here beyond some baseless speculation.

The same could be said for your thread you made in which you overlooked critical information about other possible metagrudges to focus on a quote on a meme I had made in the past (not sure how far back the actual quote was from tho, but it was a pretty old saying).

 

Once I was finished gathering everything and discussing with the admins, I was going to show you and talk to you about it.

You were going to bring it to Skull, make sure he was on your side, then bring it to me.

Now I'm chomping through this like, uh, something that chomps, and I've got no explanation as to why you chose to do this in the first place. Not to make the secret forum - that was clearly because bringing it up with me publicly would be bad because it would be public - but the fact that you decided to make this... WHATEVER THIS IS... a thing.

What is this? And why are you targeting me specifically for it, dude?

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Hello,

My conversation with hive at the time was pretty lighthearted and memey. "everyone knows" wasn't meant to be something that immediately became relevant in a hilariously dramatic situation literally twelve minutes after I said it. Not "everyone knows" literally IC as in the entire galaxy, unless Alberyk wants it that way. It's kind of... Hard to not immediately realize what's going on with how inseparable Ana and Yinzr are, and how obviously a thing they act.

The diplomat was not a Uaekis.

Uaekis is vaguely aware of it and disapproves but he's a borderline Guwan so it barely matters anyway not his problem.

All I got for this at the moment.

[Tainavaa]

There's a lot more baseless speculation there than you realize. You aren't being targeted for anything more than what was ahelped about. It was ahelped, said I was NOT going to take the ahelp over msay because I know what happens when such a thing happens. A few minutes later, nobody called dibs. Decided well, guess I HAVE to take it. Instead of making a decision there I decided to bide and ensure what I have is as accurate and detailed as I can because I'll admit that I do not like any OOC fuckery and I don't want to brush aside underhanded bullshit like attacks against players.

I still see no issue

[Skull132]

Also they have a thread in the modmin forums dedicated to an 'investigation' on me. It's ridiculous; I've been here two years and my job isn't to grief or metagrudge.

And the admins' job isn't to form biases and attack people based on IC beliefs.

 

Right you are. This is actually why the post exists, ironically enough.

Read the post above for why Tainavaa opted for this approach. He felt that the issue needed to be addressed, so he posted up what he had on the moderator subforum, for the rest of the staff to evaluate. I do not see an issue with this: anyone, any player is permitted to go to an admin or a mod, and privately tell them that they have an issue with something. This is the Moderator equivalent of such action. The issue in question was the questionable attainment of IC information. And yes, should it have been confirmed that you did use OOC knowledge to augment the roleplay in those scenarios, it would have been against the rules:

Metagaming = Using information acquired out of character to influence the actions in character. An example is learning who the traitor is from IRC, a friend on another computer, through voip or through ingame OOC chat and then acting on this information. This also means using knowledge that your character, as an employee of NanoTrasen, could not have. As an example, a call to check the shuttle modes of play, or knowledge of the Syndicate or Syndicate items workings. Using knowledge that your profession would not have is also metagaming. This also includes some specifics mentioned below.

 

Had we concluded, after talking to you, that you had indeed acquired this information IC, then nothing would have been done at all. And Tainavaa would have probably said, "Okay, alright," and we all could have moved on with our respective lives.

Now, why had no one talked to you yet? The issue was elevated up the chain, for myself to handle. However, since it's a short week at work, I was preoccupied on Wednesday and Thursday. I try to limit the amount of server related shit I do on workdays to coding, at most. (Couple this with the fact that most of last night I spent ensuring in the security of our player information and databases. You can figure out why this had my attention by browsing the SS13 reddit easily enough.)

Would we have talked to you about this? Yes. As far as I'm concerned, hefty punishment without communication first is done in the case of griefers, and generally speaking, people who refuse contact at all. Since you have yet to refuse contact, the last clause is not applicable. Neither is the former.

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The general thing about the staff forums is this: they are used as a harbour of information. An issue our staff has had for eons is the fact that not enough permanent communication exists. Most issues get talked about sporadically over Discord (or Skype, back in the day), and then either nothing happens, or a misinformed/uncoordinated step is taken. To solve this, a note about something that should be handled in a coordinated fashion is posted up on the staff forums. This note is then used as an anchor to discuss over Discord.

An example of this is my thread about moderator recruitment in March. 3 replies on the forums, however, the matter has been discussed on Discord at least twice in-depth. Because the forums are staff only (and thus, we don't have to worry about presenting the full picture just on the forums), we're too lazy to actually post summaries of those discussions (generally speaking). None of the posts about the meetings to overhaul the rules actually contain minutes or the contents of those discussions for the same exact reason.

Edited March 4, 2016 by Guest

[Shadow]

Time to bury this topic.

Locking and archiving.