Ckey Show in LOOC

[Mofo1995]

Would rather not take the risk of someone metagaming me if I'm an antagonist with differing appearance such as wizard, if for instance I were to answer some questions or chat someone up in LOOC, I would rather certain people not go to the conclusion of "oh it's delta, i know how that guy operates, I'm gonna avoid RP and just gun right for him so I can achieve valids + browniepoints"

like really if you wanted my ckey just adminhelp it and say you're trying to make a forum complaint.

 

On old code, I OOCly discovered way too many lings this way. I think I've fully come around to supporting keepin LOOC as character names.

[UnknownMurder]

Would rather not take the risk of someone metagaming me if I'm an antagonist with differing appearance such as wizard, if for instance I were to answer some questions or chat someone up in LOOC, I would rather certain people not go to the conclusion of "oh it's delta, i know how that guy operates, I'm gonna avoid RP and just gun right for him so I can achieve valids + browniepoints"

like really if you wanted my ckey just adminhelp it and say you're trying to make a forum complaint.

 

Delta: But.. Who does this? I can't seem to know anyone who actually have done this. Besides, if someone would have done this; we have an adminhelp and player complaint forums to filter out the bad players like I do. When I communicate LOOOCLY, I don't really care who the glorious account is or the popular RP character is; all I ever care is enjoying talking to people. I know how OOC people how operates too, but that doesn't change how I should react RPLY. For instance, if they originally RP to you as a normal person. Then, you LOOC. Next, he starts treating you like trash. That's an obvious issue that needs to be settled by a staff to filter the bad users. Oh, asking for ckey them being dishonest doesn't really help yourself in future.

Mofo: I'm not sure how to respond to that, either you're a great detective or something... Sharp instincts? I can tell a changeling by just looking at evidences.

[Skull132]

UM, here's my question. How does not showing the ckey actually affect your ability to talk to the other player? I can sort of see the argument of, "I dunno who they are, they might be abusing the character name," slightly, but I will argue back that it is a fear that's "out there". Our community might be full of arseholes, but I don't think anyone is enough of a butt to pretend to be someone else. Plus, for that strategy of fuckery to work, you'd need to actually talk to someone who knows the character you're pretending to be, at which point, checking up on it is easier. Basically, I am confident in that the initial fear presented is not exactly tangible.

As for actually whether or not we want to display ckeys in LOOC, after thinking on it, I'm inclined to agree with players who are against it. I don't necessarily want folks to know who my characters are, I am perfectly fine with them being unknowns. Ya, I could stealthmin, but on deadhour I'd still like to be visible on the staffwho page. It is very neat to know that just your character name is displayed, at least from my perspective.

This discussion seems to come down to two sides:

• folks who have a reason or a want to hide their ckeys over LOOC for whatever reason (all reasons presented in this thread thus far have been relatively legitimate, even the most simple of: I just want to play and not worry about potential metagrudging.);
• folks who have no such reason, and just want to know who the fuck they're talking to.

 

My question is, what other benefits are there to displaying the ckey, outside of the very edge case of, "He might pretend to be someone else"?

Oh, and any argument of player vigilance or whatever the hell is invalid. It is not the player's job to adjust their IC behaviour based on whose ckey shows up on LOOC, and because this mindset is displayed here, I'm actually even more inclined to just let it stay as is.

[Guest Menown]

Delta: But.. Who does this? I can't seem to know anyone who actually have done this. Besides, if someone would have done this; we have an adminhelp

 

I guess you've never had people gun you down in the middle of an emote, or had people take you hostage over and over because they know you stick to RP first instead of ganking. It does happen, so those of us that have it happened to, do our best to conceal who we're playing, because it really does get annoying.

[Nanako]

This discussion seems to come down to two sides:

• folks who have a reason or a want to hide their ckeys over LOOC for whatever reason (all reasons presented in this thread thus far have been relatively legitimate, even the most simple of: I just want to play and not worry about potential metagrudging.);
• folks who have no such reason, and just want to know who the fuck they're talking to.

 

Just want to point out that my solution can make both sides happy.

 

Here's my solution, to ensure both privacy and usefulness:

1. Give a per player setting, for whether or not YOUR ckey shows when you use looc

2. Set this setting to on by default, notify players of this fact.

anyone who wants to, can turn this setting off, and thusly hide their ckey from others for the sake of privacy, or for any of the reasons killerhurtz mentioned

Point 3 removed, as it's been pointd out to be unnecessary

[Guest Menown]

Here's the funny thing. People have mentioned people using the nefariously, but there's been no absolute proof of this happening so far. I haven't heard anything about people pretending to be other people, so people are trying to find a solution to a problem that doesn't even exist.

[Skull132]

Here's the funny thing. People have mentioned people using the nefariously, but there's been no absolute proof of this happening so far. I haven't heard anything about people pretending to be other people, so people are trying to find a solution to a problem that doesn't even exist.

 

All the while there exist a dozen or more cases where LOOC has been used to perpetuate a metagrudge. Simplest reference case: Plahunter.

[Guest]

Just leave it. It requires the least amount of work, and I don't think anyone takes issue with not being able to OOCly identify who a player is playing. There are also more pressing things the coder team is working on, and this would likely (if, assuming the coder team were to code this) bring up more issues than it would resolve.

Whether anonymity is a privilege or not is one of those fantastically controversial debates people have had over the internet for years, and there will never be common ground with it. However, I don't think we should really make a business out of exposing people and their characters just because they've broken rules. To put it simply, it's malicious and not fair at all.

The administration is tasked for seeking metagrudge behavior, as that is their job. In the words of the FBI: If you see it, report it. It's that simple.