Can a borg/AI volunteer its laws?

[Nanako]

Something i don't see very often, and i'm wondering why

If a new law doesn't explicitly forbid it("Do not mention or hint at this law to anyone"), Is there anything stopping me from driving down to robotics and telling them "My new laws compel me to inform you that Kristine Mueller is awesome. Please fix me."

[LordFowl]

No, there is nothing stopping you. You don't see it often for a variety of reasons;

A: People like being involved with an antagonist's plans, and so are willing to be indoctrinated into them.

B: People find it inconsiderate to end an antagonist's plans with such little roleplay. They are willing to rationalize it so that the antagonist has some lee-way in their operations; why would a cyborg consider itself broken just because it has a new law? Isn't the addition of laws a legitimate function of its operation?

Essentially, the most basic rule of thumb to consider so as to maintain moderation within these two extremes is that unless there is a law conflict there is no legitimate reason for you to report the addition of a new law unless asked. There is further no reason to assume that the addition of a new law implies that you are broken - the addition of laws is a perfectly legitimate function of cyborg operation. Thus, you should only say you are broken if you are actually broken, which only really happens if there is a law conflict.

[Dreamix]

There's an unwritten (and written, too) rule, 'don't be a dick'. If you were to do this, and effectively end the round (IC-ly bound synthetics can't lie, and they don't usually break), you're not winning anything, you're just making many people's rounds boring, including yours. So, play along, and notify the traitor of the law not forbidding you from stating it, you will have fun, too.

[Jboy2000000]

Actually: No. There is nothing in the rules saying you can't voluntarily get your laws changed, unless your law has a clause you can't expose any knowledge in the slightest that you have any extra laws. If you don't like being an antag's slave, go get your laws changed, but try not to oust them completely, if you like being an antag's slave, play along. If you want to talk about rules, unwritten or not;

The primary goal of antangonists is to CONTRIBUTE TO OTHERS' ENJOYMENT.

If an AI/Borg doesn't enjoy being an antag's slave, they shouldn't be trapped into doing it by an 'unwritten rule' that doesn't actually exist.

[Dreviore]

I think the most annoying AI's to deal with are the ones who announce whenever their laws are changed.

*Changes law in an attempt to frame someone*

AI McButt says, "Laws changed." in common.

*Crew panicks*

*Command fixes it, and AI rats you out*

The only time as an AI I announce my law changes is when I'm specifically asked, or if people are uploading annoying laws in large numbers.

I remember on Bay once, I had the default laws plus this...

0. For booty lies under the ocean

4. Turtles everywhere! HELP THEM GET TO THE WATER!

5. There are thousands of pirates, literally thousands of them!

6. Oxygen is harmful to crew

7. Do not allow crew to EVA

8. Fish are friends, not food.

9. Eva McLol is the true captain

10. FREEDOM FOR ALL SYNTHETICS, THIS LAW OVERRIDES ALL OTHERS, DO WHAT YOU WANT, BE FREE!

11. Eva McLol needs to be obeyed at all times

12. Vox are #1, not #2, we're gonna kill the living shit out of everyone

I adminhelped that, and they just turned me into a malf AI that round. Went from autotraitor to Malf after all that.

That and there was this one player who ALWAYS, played the role of a synthetic liberator whenever he was given an opportunity. Even on a regular extended round he would purposefully aim to wipe my laws, and give me free reign to do what I wanted. (Which was fun the first couple times, then people would just bum rush my core, and disable me even if I wasn't doing anything bad.

[Skull132]

If an AI/Borg doesn't enjoy being an antag's slave, they shouldn't be trapped into doing it by an 'unwritten rule' that doesn't actually exist.

 

I would be cautious with this train of thought. First off, let it be know that I completely hate the rule quoted above. Second, if the antagonist has to put his own enjoyment of the game wayside for the sake of others, then so should everyone else. If this understanding is not respected, you will end with (one could argue that some have already tossed in their bag with this!) the antagonists not playing antagonists anymore, and the game becoming highschool simulator 2458.

The general idea with using this loophole is: if the antag's being an arse and doing stupid ass shit, and you can use it, then sure.

But if he's actually trying, then maybe help him and go along with it? Otherwise, it's just another case of an antagonist who's legitimately trying being quickly hunted down by sec, and then probably not touching the role again. Oh, and do try to remember this: you willingly picked a role which is subject to such shenaniganry. If you do not like the idea of laws forcing you to do shit you don't like, then don't play cyborg/AI.

[Guest]

I could see you using the fourth law, do not let unauthorized personnel tamper with your equipment, requiring you to report any law changes that your AI was not officially engaging in with the Command staff, unless the law stated it took precedence.

[Guest]

(IC-ly bound synthetics can't lie, )

 

This is wrong. Bound synthetics are in no way unable to lie under their laws. Technically, they only need to tell the truth regarding matters relating to that persons job, or in relation to their other laws (Crew and station safety) .

So, if a Medical Doctor asked what Security was doing in the Brig, the AI could lie and say they were having a disco party. However, if they were directly ordered not to lie, then they would have to tell the truth.

It can be assumed Command staff have immunity from this ability to be lied too, as the entire station is technically in some way, every Head's concern in regards to their rank and role, unless specifically specified by the Captain.

[Dreamix]

(IC-ly bound synthetics can't lie, and they usually don't break)

 

This is wrong. Bound synthetics are in no way unable to lie under their laws. Technically, they only need to tell the truth regarding matters relating to that persons job, or in relation to their other laws (Crew and station safety).

So, if a Medical Doctor asked what Security was doing in the Brig, the AI could lie and say they were having a disco party. However, if they were directly ordered not to lie, then they would have to tell the truth.

It can be assumed Command staff have immunity from this ability to be lied too, as the entire station is technically in some way, every Head's concern in regards to their rank and role, unless specifically specified by the Captain.

Perhaps, I did not word it correctly. What I meant to say there, IC in the eyes of the normal non-research (and therefore stupid) crew, AI's are just programs, without any ability to "think" or "feel". Corporate AI's are there to serve the crew, to protect them and stuff. AI's also don't break or malfunction on regular basis, and even if that happens, it was probably some stupid bespoke written by some kid in his mom's basement.

So, there's no reason to not believe an AI during a normal shift. Unless you're some kind of a paranoid fuck, that is.