Xanderdox & Tablespoon Grief

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

BYOND Key: Jackboot

Staff BYOND Key: Xanderdox, Tablespoon(??? it's changed twice)

Reason for complaint: Griefing and hijacking the round.

Evidence/logs/etc: A small event was set up in which Nanotrasen would unveil the new, experimental Tesla engine to representatives from the Hegemony, Jargon, and New Kingdom of Adhomai. The round progressed for about 2 hours with the diplomats touring the station and otherwise being pissy with one another before they all sat down and learned about the engine. Despite the slowness it was voted to continue the round.

The tesla engine was unvieled to the representatives and everyone talked about it and was excited, and the round was voted to continue again.

Tablespoon then PM'd Xanderdox, whom was playing a CCIA, if he could release the PA. Xanderdox then PM'd me, and when I didn't respond (because I was in-game having a conversation) he said okay. Tablespoon then spawned near the tesla field on the engineering outpost and used a meteor pen to breach it, killing and seriously wounding everyone present on the outpost.

This was justified as "everyone was bored".

 

S'nesshi Izweski was shocked by the Weishii Arias-Tup!

Ajit Patil's right hand flashes away into ashes!

Ajit Patil was shocked by the S'nesshi Izweski!

Vault buzzes.

S'nesshi Izweski was shocked by the Ajit Patil!

Ajit Patil was shocked by the S'nesshi Izweski!

S'nesshi Izweski was shocked by the Ajit Patil!

Ajit Patil was shocked by the S'nesshi Izweski!

S'nesshi Izweski was shocked by the Ajit Patil!

 

L. Fisher (XanderDox)

Today at 6:55 PM

I tried to ask Jackboot, I @'d him, no response

So I said sure again

Table BS'teched in

Used a meteor gun to fire at it, meteors seemed to not go near it

 

WIth the round being voted twice to be continued I refuse to accept that everyone was bored. Not liking how the round is going does not allow you to grief several people and obliterate what the round was meant to do. Several people have been frustrated because what was meant to be a canon round unvieling this new tech turned into grief where dozens of foreign VIP's were killed or seriously wounded.

 

L. Fisher (XanderDox)

Today at 6:54 PM

Yes, I made a bad call, I didn't know how you wanted the event to go, you basically tossed me three ambassadors and their heavily armed escorts (better armed than my own) and then told me to tell them about the engine.

 

I never said i wanted everyone to die, for one.

Additional remarks:

People asking this to be canonized are going to be disappointed. This would destroy Nanotrasen and we'd have to stop working on the Exodus, which isn't even mentioning what would happen between the factions. You do not recover after slaughtering several high ranking government officials of various countries, especially when several present were intentionally asking for it to be released, IE the Tajaran diplomat.

Edited April 5, 2016 by Marlon Phoenix

[CampinKiller]

None of the ambassadors died, for the record. They were all wounded in some capacity.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

One of them lost both his hands, and the others were put into crit. So there weren't any immediate deaths but it's still ridiculous that they released the tesla for personal kicks.

[Tablespoon]

Hi. I did not PM Xander but was talking in DOsay as a whole. Here's a snippet of the conversation:

 

CCIAAgent: Tablespoon/(Sean Adams): xander?

CCIAAgent: XanderDox/(CCIA Lund): Yes?

CCIAAgent: Tablespoon/(Sean Adams): can we do a meteor event real quick?

CCIAAgent: Tablespoon/(Sean Adams): since this is your event

CCIAAgent: XanderDox/(CCIA Lund): Can you wait like 10 minutes

CCIAAgent: XanderDox/(CCIA Lund): Wait for everyone to be here, so everyone can die

CCIAAgent: XanderDox/(CCIA Lund): Meteors are a go

CCIAAgent: XanderDox/(CCIA Lund): Go go go

 

I was under the impression that Xander was heading the event (I joined the round late). Xander seemed to give directions though, and so I assumed that this was a DO-run event. I tried to fire off some meteors to disable a corner of the emitter, but they were caught in some stasis field.

Xander then kept asking for me or someone to quickly release the Tesla. IJ obliged by causing an explosion on one of the emitters.

[Guest]

They all miraculously survived, yes. As proven in the round, you would have to run directly into the energy balls to actually die, otherwise the lightning bolts just fuck you and another mob back and forth with chain lightning. At no point did it get to the realm of murderbone, though, which was strange given the tg station version of the tesla is scores deadlier.

Regarding what the diplomat asked, though. The CCIA official presenting the engine insisted the tesla was 100% safe and that it getting released would not lead to any cat-astrophes. The diplomat (and their meowfia shoulder-hummingbird bodyguard and advisor) wanted proof that the tesla was in fact super safe as they were claiming.

I don't think adminbus should've been performed to allow for that to occur, though. I legit thought the meteors were part of the meteor shower and not from a meteor pen. It was, interesting? To say the least, in regards to how that developed. The actual canon went down the shitter when an assassination attempt was mounted on the Tajaran officials. I think at the least that some lore event could've been played off having occurred somewhere in some other fuck-all system on Dickplanet Station 13.

I personally enjoyed the tension and to be fair, neither of the Tajaran visitors actually thought the thing would get released since the Engineering Chief of Staff ended up saying 'no'. Until the meteor pen projectiles hit.

Anyway, g'night, please play nice.

[Tablespoon]

I legit thought the meteors were part of the meteor shower and not from a meteor pen.

 

Meteor shower was admin spawned by me under the impression that it would impact the outpost. AFAIK , it did not. Prompting me to use the meteor pen

[Guest]

Xander then kept asking for me or someone to quickly release the Tesla. IJ obliged by causing an explosion on one of the emitters.

 

Should've just uh, disabled the emitters, really. It's just a baby singularity with chain lightning. Anyway, for serious now, g'night.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

There was no vote to make the round more violent. I would have been completely fine if a vote succeeded in letting them lob meteors, but Xanderdox and Tablespoon made the decision for personal kicks then justified it by calling the round boring.

If you're bored by a round you have several options:

1) Cryo.

2) Hold a vote to change things up.

3) Go do something else.

4) Have someone else put in charge while you do any of the above.

You don't just throw meteors around because you're bored. Staff members have been stripped ( ;3 )for doing things like this. It hijacked the round with 2 people deciding to do it to the dozens of people present.

Edited April 5, 2016 by Marlon Phoenix

[incognitojesus]

I'm starting from the very beginning here, when I was pinged on Discord by both XanderDox and Jboy regarding the need for an admin to spawn things in for a diplomat visit. Having no problem with this, I headed home and began doing the things that made it necessary to bring this event to pass. Now, I stress this because the person who contacted me, and the de facto event coordinator, was not Jackboot at all. I spawned things in, helped build the Tesla Engine and those who were building it.

Also, for the sake of dropping this in here because Jackboot failed to address this when I brought it up to him via Discord, this was an antag round and there was an active wizard aboard the station at the time. This active wizard went into the bar and shot at the diplomats with his staff, which I might add, wouldn't that automatically make the event non-canon anyways?

Anyways, this pops up over DOsay:

CCIAAgent: Tablespoon/(Sean Adams): xander?

CCIAAgent: XanderDox/(CCIA Lund): Yes?

CCIAAgent: Tablespoon/(Sean Adams): can we do a meteor event real quick?

CCIAAgent: Tablespoon/(Sean Adams): since this is your event

CCIAAgent: XanderDox/(CCIA Lund): Can you wait like 10 minutes(edited)

trimmed

CCIAAgent: XanderDox/(CCIA Lund): Wait for everyone to be here, so everyone can die

 

And then:

CCIAAgent: XanderDox/(CCIA Lund): Meteors are a go

CCIAAgent: XanderDox/(CCIA Lund): Go go go

 

So, I'd like to point out here that if you were in game having a conversation, and Xander said to wait ten minutes beforehand, why didn't you respond to the PM in such a lengthy amount of time? Even a simple yes or no would have sufficed, if it was your event.

I then confirmed with Table that we were going through with it. So, we tried spawning meteors that went literally nowhere and just stayed in space. And then the meteor gun was tried, which only fires meteors that destroy one tile. So I then decided to use an adminbomb to destroy one of the containment field generators, specifically like Xander asked in an ahelp. Now, I would like to reiterate that none of us received an ahelp regarding the incident from Jackboot or anybody else other than Xander. This reinforces the thought among the staff team that Xander was leading the event, because well, he was, quite frankly.

EDIT: Also, I would like to point out the fact that a sizeable majority of the players on at the time did enjoy the event, and from the feedback we received, not even the ambassadors or escorts (minus Jackboot) were the least bit salty about it. Could it have gone better? Of course, I could have just deleted the emitter, but I wanted to actually give something concrete that happened other than an emitter mysteriously disappearing.

[Tablespoon]

There was no vote to make the round more violent. I would have been completely fine if a vote succeeded in letting them lob meteors, but Xanderdox and Tablespoon made the decision for personal kicks then justified it by calling the round boring.

 

My justification was that I was under the impression that Xander was the event leader, then he gave the go-ahead to release the tesla coil. He was VERY adamant about releasing it. I remained under the assumption that it was his event.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

The wizard was very low-intensity. Antagonist issues like that can be overlooked as just par for the course as "a minor incident". It's a sense of scale - a wizard freaking everyone out before being detained and spaced isn't round-ending, especially with wizards being canon along with every other antag. Catastrophic damage to the station is where the line tends to be drawn because you can't exactly gloss over that without pretty good justification - IE the bombing that almost took out Miranda Trasen and did take out the entire command staff in a previous event with antagonists, which made the news.

[Nanako]

We were directed to post complaints about last round here

Quite a bit of the station was bored. While all the top brass were having their private party with shiny new tech up on the engineering outpost, the rest of the station was stuck in a 4-hour round where not much was happening. We all knew something was going on, but we never got to see it. If you're going to do some fancy pet project like that, and keep extending the round for it to happen, then you should at least open it to the public somehow

I was about to cryo and ghost just to join the party, when the cries for help came in.

As for griefing, the shuttle was a huge mess, i'm not sure what happened there, people just started shooting with big guns. i'd brought four bottles of kelotane and spent the flight running around injecting everyone

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

For 2 hours the VIP's were wandering around the station. They were in the bar, the holodeck, and everywhere else. There were plenty of opportunities to interact with them or otherwise interact with each other. when you join a round you are reasonable expected to be a good sport about it. Like I said before, you can hold votes to change the nature of the round or to end the round entirely.

[CampinKiller]

This event was extremely close to being 'special people only, nobody else allowed.' It was basically the same cast of people running around and doing things, and nobody else was involved. I see nothing wrong with making something actually happen to spice the event up, considering that nobody else aboard had been affected, and were simply sitting around while some people did fuck-all somewhere else, without involving a significant number of people. I also have to point out that nobody was the event coordinator - Xander was, for all intents and purposes, running the event as his DO, because nobody had ever given instructions on how it was going to be run.

I said this on Discord, and I'll say it here. Unexpected things happen. Declaring something non-canon and getting into a fit over it because something didn't go as planned, or didn't go the way you like, is ridiculous, especially if you're the one who isn't running the event. Hell, a little over a month ago, Delta had the same thing happen to him (and he was actually running the event, by the way) and was basically told that shit happens, and that sucks, but you have to deal with it. And that was canon, AFAIK.

Also, how are people supposed to call a vote to make shit violent? Beg the admins over OOC to do it? People are here to enjoy themselves, and asking them to put your enjoyment ahead of theirs for the purposes of this event and everything going smoothly is, frankly, dumb.

Ninja'd by four people, but the 'opportunities to interact' didn't exist, as Security was kicking people out of the places where the ambassadors were.

[Tablespoon]

The wizard was very low-intensity. Antagonist issues like that can be overlooked as just par for the course as "a minor incident". It's a sense of scale - a wizard freaking everyone out before being detained and spaced isn't round-ending, especially with wizards being canon along with every other antag. Catastrophic damage to the station is where the line tends to be drawn because you can't exactly gloss over that without pretty good justification - IE the bombing that almost took out Miranda Trasen and did take out the entire command staff in a previous event with antagonists, which made the news.

 

The Tesla damage was contained to the outpost itself. And, as has been stated before, I don't think anyone died as a result of it being released (and engineer DID die from Tesla damage, but he was just sitting too close to the thing before IJ or myself did anything).

My primary rebuttle against the accusation against myself and IJ is that we did not release the Tesla in an attempt to griff. We did it under the assumption that Xander was leading the event, and only after receiving REPEATED go-aheads from him to release it. We did not act independently to alter an event, we believed we were acting in accordance with the person heading it...creating interesting RP out of an experimental Tesla experiment going wildly wrong.

[Kaed]

Being the unathi diplomat involved here, I will be honest - The tesla being released irritated me, but it did not bring me to a boil as much as the fact that both of my diplomats hands were fried off. If everyone had just been injured and walked away with burns and mental scars, it would not have frustrated me to this level. But part of unathi canon is they do not take robotic limb replacements. This effectively caused the character to be crippled for life, and further, in a mechanical sense, unable to interact with anything for the rest of the round. Everyone keeps saying 'no one died' without taking into consideration lore issues with the event. It might have been better if he DID die, because then he could have been quietly cloned and been none the wiser about the event.

I don't think it should have been released in the first place. Even if it had not burned off both my hands, I would have found it annoying and unnecessary. But then, I don't feel the need for something to explode every two minutes to keep me engaged. I was perfectly fine wandering off to give some roleplay to my Guwan bodyguard who I had been kind of neglecting for a while.

Edit:

As a side note, on the comment of it being an exclusive event between the 'in people', I want to point out that at several times I did attempt to wander the station to interact, but was repeatedly corralled back into the group by the CCIA running it like a harried tour guide. So not all of us were trying to be some kind of special secret lore club.

[Loow]

This event was extremely close to being 'special people only, nobody else allowed.' It was basically the same cast of people running around and doing things, and nobody else was involved.....

After the second or third case of "NO WAIT DON'T GO INTO ENGINEERING, WE HAVE PLASMA IN THE AIR" resulted in the Jargon Representative taking damage, he and his escort left to go to medical. They had chats with several crew and at sought to kill time by visiting other crewmen on a NanoTrasen station. Lioquix talked with a clever magician (who was claiming to be a diplomat himself!) and a nurse who was seeing to wounded and even helped clear him medically before even leaving the medbay.

Because the "display" of the Tesla Engine was clearly not ready in his mind, he sought to kill more time by talking to more NT employees. He strolled around and thanked the person who had cooked for the Ambassadors for the Soy Meat they'd prepared and was about to talk to the nearby officers when his escort suggested they move. In addition to these people, he had a short chat with an officer who seemed terrified by the nearby armed-to-the-teeth escort and tried to explain that the Tup Commando was not only friendly, but a nice guy. He didn't seem too convinced, but hey armed guards are intimidating. He also tried chatting up the new captain shortly after he'd arrived on the station.

Seems like the Unathi group was also looking to branch out, but didn't quite get as lucky. At one point the CCIA Lund had to corral both the Unathi and Skrell parties back to the designated waiting zones. Even that wasn't terrible, as the zones seemed to be fairly public places like the bar and the holodeck at times.

If this event was 'special people only' then I am happy to report that we've got quite the crew.

[Nanako]

For 2 hours the VIP's were wandering around the station. They were in the bar, the holodeck, and everywhere else.

I actually meant in regards to the tesla engine. i wanted to see that Meeting special people is nice, but seeing special things is unique. I only arrived on the scene after it'd blown up

I didn't see much of the envoys until they started breaking down. Then about 3.5 hours into the round i suddenly had skrell and unathi with blood poisoning needing dialysis.

Lioquix talked with a clever magician (who was claiming to be a diplomat himself!) and a nurse who was seeing to wounded and even helped clear him medically before even leaving the medbay.

oh, that was meee ! _o/

I did hear a lot of the messages over the radio about herding them though, it sounded like they weren't given a lot of freedom

[Jennalele]

Question. I wasn't here for this, I spent the day sick on my ass.

But why can't we just keep canon what happened before the Tesla was released and the shitshow went down? There were some great interactions that I'd be sad to see go, from what I heard. Can't we just canonize the good bits? I mean, that's probably what we'd do if someone griffed the supermatter or plasma'd the entire station. Why not this.

[Guest]

I take the blame for what occurred, I don't know what the point of this complaint actually is; the Admins involved assumed I was leading the event, due to failed miscommunication on my part (and let's face it, I basically was leading the entire thing) . I made a bad decision, it led to to Jackboot deciding to un-canon everything that had already happened, and the round deteriorated from there.

I take responsibility for this, there is not much of a way to spin his otherwise. I requested after it occurred to @CaptainCarlos ((Tish??)) that I receive a ban for griefing, and that is really what I did when it's looked at face value. Tish rejected my request, stating I was too heated to make one like it.

There is not much to discuss otherwise in this complaint, besides enacting punishment against me for the incident in regards to banning, since Tishina refused to ban me, I believe it falls to Skull to make the final decision.

Apologies to everyone involved in the round and the event that had it ruined because of me, that was not my intent or purpose, I merely thought it would have spiced things up, and it got completely out of control; I'll admit that my knowledge on the lethality of the Tesla engine was significantly low, but that is not an excuse for releasing it.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

You were leading the entire thing?

I arranged it and guided you the entire time. I literally fed you lines and responses during a meeting, why are you claiming ownership.........................

 

There is not much to discuss otherwise in this complaint, besides enacting punishment against me for the incident in regards to banning, since Tishina refused to ban me, I believe it falls to Skull to make the final decision.

 

I want it to be clear that admins don't release teslas or sings during an uneventful round without at least tossing a vote at the server or something.

 

I'll admit that my knowledge on the lethality of the Tesla engine was significantly low, but that is not an excuse for releasing it.

 

Thank you.

[incognitojesus]

I want it to be clear that admins don't release teslas or sings during an uneventful round without at least tossing a vote at the server or something.

 

I understand this and am willing to take responsibility for not starting a vote, and will rectify this starting now. That was wrong on both myself and Table's part, due to miscommunications. Is there anything else you would like to see on the part of the admin staff, regarding this incident?

[Tablespoon]

You were leading the entire thing?

I arranged it and guided you the entire time. I literally fed you lines and responses during a meeting, why are you claiming ownership.........................

 

There is not much to discuss otherwise in this complaint, besides enacting punishment against me for the incident in regards to banning, since Tishina refused to ban me, I believe it falls to Skull to make the final decision.

 

I want it to be clear that admins don't release teslas or sings during an uneventful round without at least tossing a vote at the server or something.

 

I'll admit that my knowledge on the lethality of the Tesla engine was significantly low, but that is not an excuse for releasing it.

 

Thank you.

 

Xander is claiming ownership of the fact that he esentially claimed (as far as admins were concerned) to be running the event, by giving us directions to release the Tesla.

Keeping that in mind, the Tesla was both 1) Isolated to a totally different Z-level than the main station and 2) far less lethal and round-ending than a Singularity.

With these two facts in mind, Xander, who both IJ and I thought was the single event leader/organizer/etc. first gave us permission and then repeatedly and emphatically told us to release the Tesla. Because of all these reasons, I think that in this situation releasing the Tesla did not require a server-wide vote. It did not affect the general server population, only the subset (6-8?) participating in the event itself. That Sierra, who as far as I could tell was unrelated to the whole matter, called a crew transfer vote and it passed seemed to be coincidence; it was neither my nor IJ's intent to cause the round to end.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

A lot of stuff was gobbled up in the forum issue, including Xander+Skull talk.

Let's just archive this complaint and try to move on, I don't want to really press this further.

[Shadow]

Locking and archiving per OPs request.