Character Complaint - Oral Qui-Tup (LordRaven001)

[Guest]

BYOND Key: OneOneThreeEight

Player Byond Key: LordRaven001

Staff involved: None, I initially assumed it was an IC issue but it was thrown into the garbage by the DOs because it had a wizard in it.

Reason for complaint:

A wizard was being chased around by security yesterday for being an idiot wizard. I am the CMO. They get shot with rubber and an axe in their chest. They get transported to the medbay for the second time in the shift. The first time isn't significant as the wizard only suffered minor non-crippling wounds that were easy to treat with cryo. So he gets brought in with crushed ribs. I prepare surgery. Suddenly the warden (subject of the complaint) + the entire security force is posted right outside just to camp the wizard. I already have the wizard straightjacketed and muzzled, so there's literally zero cause for concern. Another surgeon follows me in like a puppy dog, unnecessarily, as I am already hooking them up to anesthesis. I turn on their anesthesis. The other surgeon apparently toggles their internals right after I do, which leads to the wizard's internals getting switched on and then off. I didn't notice as I was paying attention to my gameport and not my chatbox, as I was attempting to perform a quick organ and bone surgery in the guy's chest. The wizard wakes up. He spawns smoke everywhere. I carry on and not give a shit as I can still see him on the table. The warden opens and walks into the surgery room, apparently he has extended access to my own department department for whatever reason, most likely due to the Head of Security Alex Graves taking acting captaincy earlier and giving free access to security. The warden, NOT AN OFFICER, who is abandoning their post at the brig, realizes the guy's internals are off and accuses me of torturing the person I'm doing surgery on, in the same breath while I am bending bones back into place. I order the warden to leave. He steps out, I renable the guy's internals. He comes back in again and accuses me of having violated "medical procedure". When I asked them exactly what guideline I violated and also questioned how a brig warden had knowledge of surgery preparation and procedure, they didn't answer. The warden takes out their baton, I unclip my hypospray filled with chloral that I made to defend myself from greytiding chemists from earlier. I inject him, he goes down, I finish fixing the jacketed wizard. Suddenly a security officer barges in, baton out as well. He strikes me once but I manage to chloral him as well in order to defend myself. I wasn't moving, they approached me and my character felt threatened.

This was twice that security had invaded my own department without a warrant to arrest me. Twice that security thought they had more authority than I did. I mean, jesus christ, I can do a hell of a lot worse to a security officer that fucks with medbay were it any other server with a different set of rules, than just chloral. But, as I was saying. I call the captain over. The HoP hops over as well to find out wtf went on. I explain that the warden tried to illegally arrest a head of staff over a nonexistant and otherwise unannounced charge (which is mutiny, as it is openly rebelling against the established command staff), as well as trespassing in my department and exceeding offical powers. Right when the captain was about to agree with me, the warden proceeds to cuff me wordlessly and emotelessly, while I and the captain are talking. I flinch and push the warden over, and tell them to stop. I'm not giving them more chloral at this point, I am assuming they're going to stop.

They do not. They throw me to the floor with force gloves, proceed to neckgrab me and make a shitty comment about being close to having broken my neck after I mention it over comms, because I had chloral memed them for being shit. I get cuffed, then I get ordered to be released again, and I'm cleared of any charges, especially considering the AI's testimony of my innocence really helped convince command staff that I was actually trying to help the patient. Though, the Warden gets off scot free with nothing but a lecture and a slap on the wrist by the head of security at the time, Alex Graves, despite that my CMO insisted that the warden be held accountable for what happened.

 

• Warden somehow acquires illicit access into my department and is abandoning their post, in which their duty is at the brig, to camp out outside my OR because there was a smoke-producing wizard.
• Warden enters the surgery room, not observation, in order to watch the surgery. I order him out, citing sterile environment regulations as well as the fact he's trespassing. He leaves.
  
• Warden enters a second time against my orders despite that I had the situation under control. I tell him he's in my department, he's to follow my directives regardless if he is security or not. He notices that the wizard's internals were neglectfully turned off by the other surgeon, to which I make that claim and review my own logs to confirm that the other surgeon turned off the wizard's anesthesis. Warden doesn't care. Warden thinks it's all my fault and thinks that I am intentionally being malicious towards the wizard. Warden thinks he knows better than a CMO does in terms of medical procedure and cites "it's against med procedure!" despite being a brig warden. Breaking character and likely using metaknowledge, if this is the Tup commando warden I've heard about.
  
• Warden threatens me, takes out their pspray and a pair of cuffs. I decide I'm not having his shit, I chloral him and then finalize the surgery proceedings. I leave his butt near the door. I'm not hurting him in any way. Warden screams into his headset, I know not what he said but it seemed like he was transmitting misinformation about what I did to them.
  
• Also want to add, you can't arrest people without a warrant on code blue. You can only randomly search people on blue without a warrant. We were not at code red, we were at code blue. Security had no reason to be trespassing in med when they could've been waiting out in the lobby.
  
• Officer walks in, apparently the AI let them in, though, as the door initially flashed red for the officer before being remotely opened. Officer aims their taser at me. Auto-fire meme hits me a few times and I feel sad. I tell them to back off and leave, as they are not permitted in the surgery room either and are interrupting surgical proceedings. They approach me to try to stun baton me, I chloral them as they baton me into unconsciousness. I come to, as I see the captain and HoP both walk in asking what happened.
  
• I explain what happened to the captain and HoP.
  
• While in the midst of talking and roleplaying, the warden approaches me and attempts to handcuff me. I defend myself and disarm them, which ends up pushing them. I tell them to stop, again, as I am currently passive and no longer fighting anyone. They force glove push me to the floor and then neckgrab and handcuff me.
  
• I get released as the overwhelming crowd is witnessing the warden tacticool Tup commando beat the shit out of a skinny medical doctor and crying out for me to be released, especially since the AI is backing me up and saying that I was defending myself and the patient.
  
• The Head of Security, Alex Graves, evidently only held a meeting in the brig and slapped each of them on the wrist for the warden's crappiness. Nothing was really done about them despite my CMO bringing it up.

 

Approximate Date/Time: 14-Apr-2016, sometime yesterday. It was a secret round rolled wizard. The wizard was called Draconius or something.

[Mofo1995]

Wait a minute, did you say force gloves? I was the Research Director this shift, and I did NOT authorize force gloves to be handed out, nor was I ever asked or informed that they were. Unless security starts with them or can get them so other way, that's possession of contraband without proper paperwork.

[Guest]

I did mention there were force gloves. I got slapped around with them, so that is what happened, yes. I don't know how they got them, especially since not even traitors can get them from uplinks anymore due to a code transfer. It was also wizard, so it further reinforces that it came from R&D.

[LordRaven001]

1138, You forgot a few crucial details in this that I may assist to provide.

1. Your arrest was ordered by Captain Uriel Evans, For malpractice,assault, and neglect of duty.

2. You, had finished cauterizing all wounds and open incisions on his body, that is when I chose to enter.

3. Brig Wardens are not "Citizens" Outside of the brig, They have the authority to arrest people under the orders of the Captain of the Station.

4. The Force gloves were given to all security at the time, By a Scientist.

5. I stayed at a 4 tile distance with only pepperspray asking you to lay on the ground, You then bum rush me injected me and another officer with Chloyral Hydrate, Mixed with Soporific, causing toxin damage to both of us, That is not RP that is abuse of your hypnospray.

6. Code blue allows us to keep our weapons unholstered, And search areas without warrants, It was officially a code red declared by the HoS the cards could not be swiped though, He announced this through a priority announcement from the bridge console.

I will now begin explaining my side of the story, RacheL Pershing, 1138's CMO, Has been a normal CMO until halfway into the shift were Ernesto her chemist claimed she assaulted him for reasons of "Splashing Radium on a wall" Through further investigation it was realized you made a mistake and the other chemist is the one that supposedly splashed radium against the wall, When you were informed of this, You walked into the chemistry lab flashing him four times taking his ID and throwing him out of the medbay, This is when the issues between my security character and your Chief Medical Officer, started, I told you that it was assault, You then proceeded to ignore me, throwing the chemist you just flashed four times at me, Not hitting me, I then spoke with the chemist he did not want to press charges so I let it go, Then a prisoner, Draconic (Wizard Antag) had a few medical problems from being chased around security broken ribs ect. I then since he was the only prisoner in the brig and a high profile terrorist, Accompanied the medical transport of him, Leading to the surgery room, You then closed the shutters on us when it was a high profile terrorist who confirmed could open all doors, shoot things out of his hands, and create smoke, We then asked you to open the shutters so we could overwatch the procedure for your safty, You refused, He then used his smoke power and door opening power in which, I entered making sure you were ok, You were extremely hostile to me and repetively kept pointing at the door stating "Out" Out" I went out, I then witnessed you rearrange his organs without turning on his internal tanks, As he was screaming and speaking, You did not stop, As such I told the captain Uriel Evans that you were operating on a patient without internals, I then ordered you to cease at once, That is when you cauterized the wound, I presume because his surgery was done. I then entered, told you to get on the ground with my can of pepperspray, four tiles away, You charged at me with your auto injector filled with Chloryal Hydrate, injecting me, I then called for help, You then injected Jim Callhoun, the backup that arrived, Proving two times that you instead of using your Hypnospray for medical reasons, Have used it to automatically sedate people eliminating them for five minutes. When the captain/Head of Personnel, And another security officer got in, You were handcuffed and then subdued,, When I came too you, I saw you over by the privacy shutter window and strong grabbed you (Automatically with force gloves) then you attempted to disarm/push me, That is when I grabbed you with the lethal intent grab, As when you use force gloves it is impossible to resist out of that, That is when you started rping choking, As soon as you /me'd chokes I released you, And then strong grabbed you again, I was then ordered to let you go by the Head of Personnel, in which I did, It was brought into LOOC that I neck grabbed you and I confirmed that I did, And that it was not accidental (I did not tighten the grip around her neck, suffocating her) After all this you successfully turned everyone against me by stating that I was squeezing your neck and choking you, I then was mobbed upon with insults by security, And that is when I decided to avoid the situation by staying and refusing to speak until you, the captain, and the head of personnel left, I then waited as Lizzy Morgan (Bibiex's Character) confirmed that all of his injuries were gone proving the fact that you finished surgery, she then buckled him to the roller bed and I took him to the solitary confinement area, Were I unmuzzled and unstraightjacketed him, There then was a security wide meeting that I deemed was to improve "Team Building" Or somthing of the sourt, Alex Graves (Pump's Character) is the one who hosted it and the Head of Security at the time, I sat there for four minutes only to realize it was just turning into LowRP childish things, I excused myself to go feed Draconic, Were we had a conversation and talked about it, He thanking me for stopping the surgery, Once that was done, a crew transfer shuttle was called, at that point he went SSD so while I was dragging him to the departures hall, Jim Calhoun, And Rachel Pershing continued to be unreasonable and constantly insulting me, Making my roleplay miserable, At that point I stated in looc "I'm done with this" as they have continously ever since this situation happened insult me, and try to make my RP as miserable as possible, I admit I could have handled the arrest better. After the situation were I stated I was done in LOOC. I proceeded to walk back to the brig, degear, and then ghost as soon as the crew transfer shuttle arrived.

The most notable people involved were

Alex Graves (Pump's Character)

Lizzy Morgan (Bibiex's Character)

Rachel Pershing ( 1138's Character)

Uriel Evans (Unknown Byond Key)

Jim Calhoun (Unknown Byond Key)

Draconic (Unknown Byond Key)

LEMON (Unknown Byond Key)

Next time, Please include all the information.

Proof that the warden is not a citizen outside the brig:

https://wiki.baystation12.net/Warden

[Guest]

1. Your arrest was ordered by Captain Uriel Evans, For malpractice,assault, and neglect of duty.

2. You, had finished cauterizing all wounds and open incisions on his body, that is when I chose to enter.

3. Brig Wardens are not "Citizens" Outside of the brig, They have the authority to arrest people under the orders of the Captain of the Station.

4. The Force gloves were given to all security at the time, By a Scientist.

5. I stayed at a 4 tile distance with only pepperspray asking you to lay on the ground, You then bum rush me injected me and another officer with Chloyral Hydrate, Mixed with Soporific, causing toxin damage to both of us, That is not RP that is abuse of your hypnospray.

6. Code blue allows us to keep our weapons unholstered, And search areas without warrants, It was officially a code red declared by the HoS the cards could not be swiped though, He announced this through a priority announcement from the bridge console.

 

1. Neither you nor the captain informed me of my charges until after you illicitly entered my department and disobeyed a direct order to leave. Failure to communicate, no warrant was filed. The captain didn't say a fucking word to me, nor over comms.

2. No, I didn't. You bust in as I was trying to fix organs and the man's bones because the anesthetic was either neglectfully or purposefully disabled by another surgeon. It was not my fault that they were disabled.

3. You're a brig warden. Not an officer. You have no right to act like a security officer. Security officers exist to act like security officers.

4. You were illegally given those force gloves, as the RD from the round had testified. That means you were in possession of contraband as well as misappropriating contraband.

5. I walked towards you, injected you, so that I could finish my surgery. I did not finalize the cauterize step until several seconds after I gave you chloral. You were threatening me and I wasn't going to have a warden overstep their authority in my department and attempt to boss me around and punish me for a thing I was not even at fault for. You were an ignorant peon misinterpreting the situation and I had you neutralized so I could do my job in helping someone who needed more attention than you did. In regards to the chem mix, you're either doubly ignorant or a liar. I filled my hypospray to maximum capacity with chloral. I gave you 5. I gave the wizard 5 to disable them. I gave Calhoun 5 to disable him when he was chasing after me as well. I use the tools at my disposal to my advantage. It is no different from security officers using pepperspray on people with sunglasses.

6. No, it's code red when it's code red. He didn't tell any of the head of staffs it was code red. You need to swipe red to make it code red, buddy. You don't get automatic all-encompassing department-intruding authority unless it is, officially, code red. Because you say something is so, does not make it so. The head of security had me to talk to and ask me to actually swipe for red. I would've done it if he had asked. He did not. Failure to communicate.

By the information you've told me, it looks like an uncomfortable fraction of security was shit. Especially on point one and point five. You wanna lecture me on proper escalation? Check yourself first.

[UnknownMurder]

... I am Alex Graves, and I never issued a Code Red.

I'm not sure what I need to say here. It was a chaos round with Security being children. Feel free to ask me questions, if I know the answer.

[LordRaven001]

5. I walked towards you, injected you, so that I could finish my surgery. I did not finalize the cauterize step until several seconds after I gave you chloral. You were threatening me and I wasn't going to have a warden overstep their authority in my department and attempt to boss me around and punish me for a thing I was not even at fault for. You were an ignorant peon misinterpreting the situation and I had you neutralized so I could do my job in helping someone who needed more attention than you did. In regards to the chem mix, you're either doubly ignorant or a liar. I filled my hypospray to maximum capacity with chloral. I gave you 5. I gave the wizard 5 to disable them. I gave Calhoun 5 to disable him when he was chasing after me as well. I use the tools at my disposal to my advantage. It is no different from security officers using pepperspray on people with sunglasses.

 

He didn't tell any of the head of staffs it was code red. You need to swipe red to make it code red, buddy. You don't get automatic all-encompassing department-intruding authority unless it is, officially, code red. Because you say something is so, does not make it so. The head of security had me to talk to and ask me to actually swipe for red. I would've done it if he had asked. He did not. Failure to communicate.

 

By the information you've told me, it looks like an uncomfortable fraction of security was shit. Especially on point one and point five. You wanna lecture me on proper escalation? Check yourself first

 

I would like to inform you of this boards rules,

 

No flame wars. No trolling. Self-explanatory.

 

Do not use ad hominem. This means do not attack a person's character (character in this case meaning the mental and moral qualities distinctive to an individual). You are expected to argue the presented ideas, not the person. If someone were to attack you, don’t take matters into your own hands, report it to us.

 

I will not reply anymore to this Character Complaint until you calm down, I frankly do not feel like being insulted, And I will forward your comment to the proper channels, I respect you, You respect me, That's how it works.

Edited April 15, 2016 by Guest

[Guest]

Amazing. I accuse you of lying (reasonably so) and you go for the rules lawyer route.

Sure, okay, I can ask for an admin to rule on this. I don't need anything else from you if you're insistent on calling it quits herein.

[Redfield5]

-snip-

 

As a Warden, your job revolves around the security and operation of the Brig. In other words, you're like a Watch Commander or Duty Sergeant, except you're also the Armorer and the Warden. Your job is not to patrol unless under exigent circumstances that require you to assist in patrol operations; even then, you're not going to be going far from the Brig. During the manhunt, your camera coverage and communication of the target's location were paramount to our efforts, until you abandoned your post to presumably join in on the manhunt. You were playing a crucial role during the hunt, and you abandoned it on whatever auspices possessed you to do that. In the period of time that you weren't in the Brig, I had no one to watch after the prisoner; Hell, you outright refused to do that when I asked you to do so. The Warden isn't a Security Officer with extra access.

As for the incident in Medbay, I look back in retrospect and I do not approve of what we did in there. Firstly, you should have been in the Brig and appointed prisoner security to an officer. When it comes to detention duties outside of the Brig, it's recognized that the Warden has authority to delegate such tasks to officers. As for the arrest itself, cauterization does not signify the end of surgery under normal circumstances, so you should have waited until she had formally announced the end of the surgery. Hell, maybe we should have waited until the Captain arrived. As for that I saw, we did not even need to arrest her - for what I presume referred to the fact that she refused to allow an officer to be present in the OR. I will agree that Pershing did take things too far when she incapacitated you, though I see many factors that point to you escalating the encounter to the level of assault. It did not need to be escalated to such an extent.

Following the incident, I apologized to Doctor Pershing, which she accepted. That means we're pretty much dating now.

 

There then was a security wide meeting that I deemed was to improve "Team Building" Or somthing of the sourt, Alex Graves (Pump's Character) is the one who hosted it and the Head of Security at the time, I sat there for four minutes only to realize it was just turning into LowRP childish things

 

I will admit that it degenerated into a stupid argument, however you kept using excuses along the lines of your service as a Tup Commando, and you made several racist jabs that greatly contributed to the degeneration of the meeting. Not only that, but you started running your mouth over comms, inciting a further detriment to the condition of our security force.

[SierraKomodo]

Alright ladies and gentlement. You need to calm down. I'll be locking this thread until an admin can review things and put the arguing to rest.

[Shadow]

..does anyone even care about that complaint anymore?

If not Ill lock and archive this in 24 hours and mark it as inactive.

[Shadow]

Locking and archiving.