Security Cadetship Change

[Guest Menown]

Change the requirement for a security cadetship from one year, to one month. As it stands, nobody does the full year. With the old ten day whitelist, people made a claim their character was at the end of the cadetship, so as it stands, it's a mostly moot requirement anyway.

Most of what can be learned to be an officer can be done in a month or even a week. I suggest the following alteration.

"One month cadetship for non-security experience applicants. One week cadetship for applicants with prior security experience."

This would allow those with no experience the ability to learn over a given time, while allowing those that reasonably know how to perform as a security officer, the ability to reasonably learn the code procedure, and regulations.

[Guest]

Supporting for the above reasons. It's a security program, not necessarily medical practice or science theory.

[Guest Complete Garbage]

It would be nice to progress a character from secn00b to officer within a reasonable amount of time.

[incognitojesus]

I support this, as one year is longer than it currently takes to be a police officer. Being a security guard (irl term) takes literally anywhere from 40 hours (CA) - 47 hours (NY) of training to be certified. And that's without prior law enforcement experience, which requires you to do 8 hour preliminary training. So yes this is GUD.

[Guest Complete Garbage]

I support this, as one year is longer than it currently takes to be a police officer. Being a security guard (irl term) takes literally anywhere from 40 hours (CA) - 47 hours (NY) of training to be certified. And that's without prior law enforcement experience, which requires you to do 8 hour preliminary training. So yes this is GUD.

 

I'd imagine IntSec training would also cover basic weapons useage, corpregs, and some other stuff that normal security guard training wouldn't encompass.

[Zundy]

Support this as one IRL year is a ball ache. Either this or have the sped up time mentioned previously.

[Guest]

I shall note, lorewise NT Security Officers have the same training as Biesel Police Officers.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

I don't actually know who would have authority to change this, but no one has brought it up in staff so I'll pester Skull about it.

[Nanako]

Figures menown would be the one to request this :^)

A security officer is supposed to be able to handle a variety of weapons, some of them military grade. Wear similar armour, be trained in EVA combat, resolving hostage situations, arrest procedure, processing, questioning and making reasonable judgements in the field. And possibly also be proficient in basic medical training and piloting military exosuits.

I don't think a month is realistically enough time for all that

I'd much rather see more cadet slots, and security positions above cadet be whitelisted somehow

[Guest Menown]

Figures menown would be the one to request this :^)

A security officer is supposed to be able to handle a variety of weapons, some of them military grade. Wear similar armour, be trained in EVA combat, resolving hostage situations, arrest procedure, processing, questioning and making reasonable judgements in the field. And possibly also be proficient in basic medical training and piloting military exosuits.

I don't think a month is realistically enough time for all that

I'd much rather see more cadet slots, and security positions above cadet be whitelisted somehow

 

In Army BCT there's 12 weeks for training. In that time you're learning how to handle weapons, various field exercises, teamwork exercises, night infiltration bullshit, room clearing ect. You'll quickly find that most of our security officers either don't know how to security, or jumped over from another server where things are done much differently.

Security isn't the military, and they're not a police force. They have the authority to detain people on NanoTrasen property and issue fines/detainments for people in violation of the company's regulations. If you think that being trained to fire a handgun equals military training, and that the various weaponry in the armory requires some skill to use, that's incredibly wrong. Laser/Ionic weaponry has no recoil, meaning the only true test of skill with it would be your accuracy and the ability to act under pressure.

As it stands, security cadets get to a point where they're stuck doing nothing shift after shift, because they're assumed to know nothing by everybody that's never worked with them in security, or they're forced into learning something they've already learned, and at that point they're shoved aside and told to sit somewhere for hours.

As for the whitelist, this has been suggested many times and been shot down many times. The closest we had was the ten day age whitelist, which surprise surprise, we had people wait out that ten days then join as warden/detective/officers. Nobody wants to sit out a full year doing nothing.

[Guest]

Figures menown would be the one to request this :^)

 

When did you become so pretentious?

 

A security officer is supposed to be able to handle a variety of weapons, some of them military grade. Wear similar armour, be trained in EVA combat, resolving hostage situations, arrest procedure, processing, questioning and making reasonable judgements in the field. And possibly also be proficient in basic medical training and piloting military exosuits.

 

This just in, space AR-15s and kevlar are military-grade. More at 11.

And no, this is not required at all.

 

I don't think a month is realistically enough time for all that

 

Take it like this, because this is how the police academy and military works. You're accepted into the program. You're tasked to learn the criteria, get fit, learn how to shoot, walk, run, talk and move like a cop/soldier. Don't meet the criteria at the end of the program? You're out. Goodbye, have a nice life.

Very few people out of many candidates make it into the police force. Very few people out of many candidates make it into the military. I dare say that, just like the former two cases, very few out of the many applicants would make it past cadetship without making a damnably trying effort to show they want the job, just like what cops did back when they were police cadets, and back when military folk were the scourge of the sanity of staff sergeants.

 

I'd much rather see more cadet slots, and security positions above cadet be whitelisted somehow

 

Already learned that this was an awful way to go about this. Now nobody plays security, and round after round will be mostly be occupied by antagonists robbing an empty brig to turn the station into Columbine. Happened on Jamini's server. True story.

[Nikov]

There's IC concept of a year-long cadet/internship to learn all the amazing technical details of weapons and systems any brain-damaged clone can pick up and kill you with. I can get that there's a reason for a year-long training program in super-hardcore-realism-office-world.

But this is a game, and some people play for a few months and then move on to a AAA release to come back for a few months.

The OOC purpose of the cadet position is to teach new players to the server how our security operates, then after they've proven themselves to not be wewlads and learned the nuances of Code Magenta privacy rights, be loosed on the general public with plausible deniability that you trained him not to harmbaton.

This doesn't take a year. It probably only takes a week. But one month proves beyond a doubt that you've earned a place on the server and on the security team.

I used to play security on other servers, but the year-long cadetship is harder to get than a Head whitelist.

Think about that.

[Nanako]

This doesn't take a year. It probably only takes a week. But one month proves beyond a doubt that you've earned a place on the server and on the security team.

I used to play security on other servers, but the year-long cadetship is harder to get than a Head whitelist.

 

I think a point is being missed here. Almost nobody (except menown) is actually going to serve an IRL year as a cadet, you just write into your backstory that you did.

Most head of staff positions are supposed to take several years of experience, iirc 10 years for a captain. I challenge you to find anyone playing captain who's been here for 10 years.

These are lore requirements, not real-time requirements. This thread is asking for a lore change to make it apply in realtime to gameplay, when nothing else in the game does. its silly

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

ok apparently it's my decision to make

woo

How about:

One month cadetship for non-security experience applicants. One week cadetship for applicants with prior security experience.

At the end of either training period you take a written exam on regulations and sec procedures and a 4 hour class on weapons safety with its own written quiz. If you pass, you become a security officer. If you fail, you remain as a cadet for 1 additional week. If you fail again you are booted from the program.

Cadetship is when future officers become familiar with regulations and processing by (hypothetically) shadowing officers around. And you have to stay in shape by doing squats and stuff.

You learn how to be tactical and gain additional experience with weapons by training as an actual officer. The bare minimum just requires you to pass a class that says you can use the weapons safely and you know the regulations enough to pass an exam on them.

So we have:

 

Cadetship lasts for one month for non-security experience applicants. One week cadetship training for applicants with prior security experience. A written exam on regulations and security procedures as well as certification for firearm safety is required to be promoted to Officer.

 

barring a coup de'tat i'll plug this into the cadet and sec guides tonight

[Guest]

Alright, we win, we can go home now.

[Guest Menown]

My misery is ended. Sorta. I don't know if the written thing will be done in-game, or what.

[Nikov]

Honestly, I would just make it a month flat, regardless of prior experience. The impatient people who want to bypass what's supposed to be a filter for impatient people will all be "veteran ex-cop paramilitary super-soldiers". If being a snowflake has no advantage, we might, just maybe, get less snowflakes, deo volente.

[Guest Menown]

Well, see. Nikov. Those people won't play cadet for the month anyway. They'll just add it to the records and go straight to officer.

[UnknownMurder]

My misery is ended. Sorta. I don't know if the written thing will be done in-game, or what.

 

I prefer to see a Head of Security giving questions/quiz format listed in the Head Forum and then turn the quiz to the CCIA, RP Organizations, or let alone HoS to quiz and decide if they are worthy to remain an Officer for the entire year.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

The change has been pushed through. See the Security Officer wiki page for more details.

"Qualifications: Completed 4 week Security cadet-ship and passed the written exam, or 2+ years experience in security or law-enforcement related position(s)."

[Zundy]

Oh my gawd, that means Grimes can graduate. I feel so proud.

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