Banned for logging out

[Launch-Box]

BYOND Key: Launch-Box

Total Ban Length: 1440 Minutes

Banning staff member's Key: tishinastalker

Reason of Ban: You have been banned by tishinastalker.

Reason: Suicide to leave the round. Banned in light of his history on the server. This is a one day ban. If there is a problem, submit a form on the forums..

This is a temporary ban, it will be removed in 1440 minutes.

Reason for Appeal:

So apparentally I was banned with all these notes being held against me. Most of them were from incidents I wasn't even warned for and were just by over-zelous admins, wich I will explain.

http://pastebin.com/AMH9Jp60

Carried out EoR grief due to RunningwithScissors attempting to disarm the lethally armed crewmember, igniting a powderkeg. This player proved extremely arguementative and borderline disrespectful with their attitude. on Wed, November 19th of 2014

Flat out don't remember this. I don't EoR grief and never have. The most I have ever done is punch someone for talking crap to me. But that's an IC reaction, and not 'griefing'

Got taken down as an antag complained in ooc, was told twice not to take it to ooc before rage quitting. on Thu, November 20th of 2014

Apparentally I am not allowed to quit the game without being admin noted after being perma brigged?

Came back and started complaining again, after getting muted from OOC they started a transfer vote that got canceled due to the round being an hour in. Got hostile in PM's about the game being unfair and that their game was over. on Thu, November 20th of 2014

Again. Not allowed to call a vote? Not allowed to be annoyed that my character was perma brigged? Why are these even in the notes? This is vindictive.

Warned for starting a fight on the escape shuttle. on Fri, November 21st of 2014

This was the part where I slugged a guy. And the admin did not 'WARN' me. They didn't understand what I had done or why, or that it wasn't a 'fight'. This honestly really pisses me off because it's making me look like a griefer, and I'm not. I am a roleplayer who acts as my character would act. I don't murderbone or run around blowing shit up.

Got OOC muted by Scopes. Next time you see him doing this, give him a ban. on Sat, November 22nd of 2014

Next time you see me doing what? Scopes chose to mute OOC, apparentally this is my fault? he could have muted -ME- if he wanted. He muted the entire OOC, and that should not be in my notes as him deciding to mute the OOC is -NOT MY FAULT-. He constantly was spamming the chat with 'ENOUGH DROP IT STOP TALKING' and I'm sorry I'm not going to just drop a conversation because some guy with pruple text feels he has the power to tell me what i can and can't talk about.

He muted OOC. I didn't force him to. He did it because my arguement was valid and correct, and he wanted to save face. You cannot 'give me a ban' for being right about something and Sound not liking it.

Wich brings me to my current ban, wich is a day, for suiciding at 7 in the morning with only 4 other players actively in the game. I shot myself with the freeze ray because I wanted to see what it did. It was an OOC action. Was it greifing? No. Did it effect the game in any way? No.

So why am I being banned for doing something with so few people on. At a time when it doesn't matter. Most of all, it wasn't anything that even EFFECTED anyone else. I didn't know about the no suicide rule, even if I did, I wouldn't think it would matter given that the game had so few participants, since it's 7 in the freaking morning.

But this admin feels the need to string me up and nail me to a cross for logging out and wanting to see what the freeze ray did -without- griefing or lolkilling anyone?

Edited November 22, 2014 by Guest

[Launch-Box]

AND ANOTHER THING. People wouldnt have EVEN KNOWN ABOUT THE SUICIDE IF I HADNT HAD SAID ANYTHING. This ban is -STUPID-. I straight up said in the OOC chat that I didn't know the Freeze ray kills people. THAT is what even MADE the admin see that I had suicided! If I hadn't had said anything, nobody would have known cared or noticed.

7 in the morning, 4 active players.

Unban me.

Edited November 22, 2014 by Guest

[Rusty Shackleford]

Hey buddy.

Before this is probably even going to be considered whatsoever.

You need to use the proper format.

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=15

And honestly, from both your collection of notes, and your response in this unban request, it's a wonder to me that you weren't banned sooner.

Also, straight up demanding to be unbanned without really giving the staff a reason to do so, prooooooooooobably doesn't help your case.

[Launch-Box]

Hey buddy.

Before this is probably even going to be considered whatsoever.

You need to use the proper format.

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=15

And honestly, from both your collection of notes, and your response in this unban request, it's a wonder to me that you weren't banned sooner.

 

Done and Done. I don't understand what you mean. I'm a roleplayer and I'm defending myself from these people. My post has a tone of agression in it because I am offended that I'm being targeted like this. These notes are proof of nothing except the admin's vindictive nature. I'm a good player and I try my best in every round. To even keep a collection of notes like this keeps players from ever being judged fairly and unbiasedly, because the moment people see all the things written they instantly sway their opnion based on what other admins have written.

It even straight up says 'ban this person if they disagree with you'. The last note written by Sound.

[Launch-Box]

Also, straight up demanding to be unbanned without really giving the staff a reason to do so, prooooooooooobably doesn't help your case.

 

My reason is that my notes and ban are both unjust and swayed to make me look like a bad person and roleplayer. When I am anything but. These notes need to be erased, and I need to be treated unbiasedly. I was banned for an extreamly minor offense that had no bearing on the game or anyone playing it, for shaky reasoning. The admin would not have even known I did anything if I didn't tell them over OOC I did.

They banned me based on these notes that are being held against me written about incidents that eaither flat out didn't happen or were not 'warnings'. I have never been banned and I don't plan on being banned. And incidents where no action was taken nor merited should not be held against me like this.

Edited November 22, 2014 by Guest

[Rusty Shackleford]

There's something called an admin-PM. Designed specifically so you can notify admins of problems without using OOC and breaking round immersion. One is sent using the F1 key on your keyboard. Pretty much anyone who looks up a guide to learning how to play SS13 will see that it's an essential to know. So I don't see any excuse other than trying to be inflammatory.

[Launch-Box]

There's something called an admin-PM. Designed specifically so you can notify admins of problems without using OOC and breaking round immersion. One is sent using the F1 key on your keyboard. Pretty much anyone who looks up a guide to learning how to play SS13 will see that it's an essential to know. So I don't see any excuse other than trying to be inflammatory.

 

I don't understand what you mean. What does adminhelp have to do about any of this?

[Rusty Shackleford]

It means that you never had to use OOC at all to notify the mods and admins of anything.

[Launch-Box]

It means that you never had to use OOC at all to notify the mods and admins of anything.

 

You're misunderstanding what I mean. I said

' I didn't know freeze rays kill you' over OOC. That alerted the admin who took it apon themselfs to then ask me why I suicided. Keep in mind it's 7 in the morning with less than 5 active people playing the game at the time.

If I hadn't said anything about it, and just logged off. No-one would have even known I suicided. It had no bearing or impact on the game at all, and was a plain and simple witch hunt.

A witch hunt wich is only further spurred on by these unfair and baised 'notes' that get constantly stacked against me day after day. When in reality, the offenses were so minor or flat out non-existant that they required no action to be taken at all. But the tone of them forced this admin to believe they had to ban me.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Hue. Just realized this is a dayban.

I don't think you can really appeal these. Just wait it out.

[Launch-Box]

Hue. Just realized this is a dayban.

I don't think you can really appeal these. Just wait it out.

 

I refuse. I want my ban lifted and my notes wiped. And other's notes to also be wiped. It's completely unfair to people to stack these notes against them like this, it sways admins to ban you based on things that have nothing to do with the current incident, and is thus completley unfair for the player. Someone who has never been banned or doesn't deserve to be banned, can be banned for some thing minor just because an admin decided to write a nasty note about them.

Even if they have never been banned for anything before.

[Doomberg]

There are several key concepts you do not seem to understand here, so I'll go ahead and explain.

First of all, you were not banned simply because you killed yourself. You were banned because you have a history of arguing with staff, being uncooperative and generally causing this sort of trouble.

Secondly, generating any sort of attack logs on the escape shuttle - this includes a simple punch - is against the rules, no matter the reasoning behind it. You do not do it, ever. The notes behind this are justified.

Thirdly, us not knowing about the issue prior to you making it obvious does not excuse you in any way, shape or form.

Furthermore, the fact that you're being contacted by staff about something you did is usually sufficient notification that you've done something wrong. You're kind of expected to understand this.

In any case, as far as I know, 24 hour bans can't be appealed. In my opinion, the only error the staff involved committed was giving you access to your notes. You're in no position to make any demands, especially not absurd ones such as us these.

[Launch-Box]

There are several key concepts you do not seem to understand here, so I'll go ahead and explain.

First of all, you were not banned simply because you killed yourself. You were banned because you have a history of arguing with staff, being uncooperative and generally causing this sort of trouble

...

In any case, as far as I know, 24 hour bans can't be appealed. In my opinion, the only error the staff involved committed was giving you access to your notes. You're in no position to make any demands, especially not absurd ones such as us these.

 

I am -defending- myself. People should never be punished for that. You have accused me of things and I have to take the time to defend myself from you. I wont simply lay down and let you stomp all over my name like that. I will continue to argue towards what I believe is right as long as I live.

No you're right. I do not have the power to force you to do what I am asking. You seem to mis understand my posts as threats of some kind. If I could simply force you to do what I wanted then I wouldn't have the need to type why I think you should do it.

As far as i am concerned, the admin team is being extremely Obtuse for no good reason. I should not have been banned for such a minor offense, and the deciding factor seem to have been my notes wich were unfairly stacked against me from previous incidents in wich no action was taken or merited.

If I was not seen fit to ban or punish for these incidents in my notes. Why, then, are they being held against me and considered when someone finally does find a reason, however insignificant, to ban me? It's vindictive, gross over justification for something that was -not- ban worthy

[Rusty Shackleford]

Honestly, you should have been banned a lot sooner. With all these incidents, a three day ban would have been better, especially since you disrespect and argue with staff so often.

[Launch-Box]

Honestly, you should have been banned a lot sooner. With all these incidents, a three day ban would have been better, especially since you disrespect and argue with staff so often.

 

I'm sorry? Did I enter bizzarro world where people ammount to nothing and no-one has a soul or conscience?

Have you read a single word I have been typing? None of these incidents warrented any action. How then are they to be held against me? They should not.

I did nothing wrong, is the answer. These notes need to be wiped.

I'm not going to kiss anyone's boot. You're a human being just like the next man. Admin of a SS13 server or not. I will treat you as I would treat the next man.

I deserved -no ban- not a one day. Not a three day. None. These notes shouldn't even exist in order to force this admin to make such a call.

The same thing could have been done as follows:

Admin: hay lol. Don't kill yourself.

Me: oh fk. Sorry. I didn't know. Lol.

Admin: It's k.

Why did you see fit to ban me for something that could have been handled so simply, and required no further action and had no effect on the shift?

[Baka]

Instead of resembling even the slightest of speaking like a civilized adult, you sink low to petty insults and petulant demands and are wondering why administration isn't being cooperative with you.

You shouldn't had argue with members of staff, even if they're "doing this for free", no matter what this is a server they volunteered for and it's a privilege to play on here. They were actually pretty lenient towards you with a 24-hour ban considering the facts you have quite a history of being unpleasant to deal with. You have to a-help that shit explaining your actions as to why you are committing suicide. If you can't agree with that, then maybe this is not the server for you.

You should really knock off the tough guy attitude because in the end it's not helping your case.

[Tablespoon]

I want my ban lifted and my notes wiped.

 

As a heads up, we almost never wipe notes. You break a rule or make a mistake, we write it down for reference. Only through continued good behavior can you negate the bad notes.

[Dea Tacita]

we almost never wipe notes.

 

I've never seen anyone had their notes wiped at all. Nor should anyone's notes be wiped, they're there for a meaningful reason. They allow staff to know who did what, what punishment they received and what justification they had (if any). Normally I'd advocate for lifting something like this if they sincerely apologized for it, but 1. This guy has been nothing but demanding and rude, and 2. as previously said, you can't appeal 1 day bans.

[Tenenza]

So, I'm going to do a silly thing and peanut gallery a bit simply because a whole lot of what you've said is wrong.

 

Carried out EoR grief due to RunningwithScissors attempting to disarm the lethally armed crewmember, igniting a powderkeg. This player proved extremely arguementative and borderline disrespectful with their attitude. on Wed, November 19th of 2014

Flat out don't remember this. I don't EoR grief and never have. The most I have ever done is punch someone for talking crap to me. But that's an IC reaction, and not 'griefing'

 

-End-round grief is punishable by an automatic 3-day ban. The moment the shuttle docks with the station, all conflict is expected to end in and around the shuttle boarding area. (Escape and adjacent corridor).

 

Got taken down as an antag complained in ooc, was told twice not to take it to ooc before rage quitting. on Thu, November 20th of 2014

Apparentally I am not allowed to quit the game without being admin noted after being perma brigged?

 

 

Ahelp it first. That's just about being polite.

 

Came back and started complaining again, after getting muted from OOC they started a transfer vote that got canceled due to the round being an hour in. Got hostile in PM's about the game being unfair and that their game was over. on Thu, November 20th of 2014

Again. Not allowed to call a vote? Not allowed to be annoyed that my character was perma brigged? Why are these even in the notes? This is vindictive.

 

 

Two hours is the required time before you can call a vote.

The game is not over just because the Antag has been captured.

Don't be hostile to staff or others in OOC.

 

Warned for starting a fight on the escape shuttle. on Fri, November 21st of 2014

This was the part where I slugged a guy. And the admin did not 'WARN' me. They didn't understand what I had done or why, or that it wasn't a 'fight'. This honestly really pisses me off because it's making me look like a griefer, and I'm not. I am a roleplayer who acts as my character would act. I don't murderbone or run around blowing shit up.

 

Again.

-End-round grief is punishable by an automatic 3-day ban. The moment the shuttle docks with the station, all conflict is expected to end in and around the shuttle boarding area. (Escape and adjacent corridor).

Admins do not need to warn you.

It is your own fault if you didn't take the time to read the rules.

 

Got OOC muted by Scopes. Next time you see him doing this, give him a ban. on Sat, November 22nd of 2014

Next time you see me doing what? Scopes chose to mute OOC, apparentally this is my fault? he could have muted -ME- if he wanted. He muted the entire OOC, and that should not be in my notes as him deciding to mute the OOC is -NOT MY FAULT-. He constantly was spamming the chat with 'ENOUGH DROP IT STOP TALKING' and I'm sorry I'm not going to just drop a conversation because some guy with pruple text feels he has the power to tell me what i can and can't talk about.

He muted OOC. I didn't force him to. He did it because my arguement was valid and correct, and he wanted to save face. You cannot 'give me a ban' for being right about something and Sound not liking it.

Muting the entire OOC is a good way to shut up any other talk about you and your behavior. I know I would be bitching in OOC about the guy who was bitching in OOC and was muted, probably going at least 5 minutes before realizing the irony. Then I would talk in OOC about the irony.

Plus, what did you do to get OOC muted by Scopes?

Scopes is a pretty reasonable person.

Wich brings me to my current ban, wich is a day, for suiciding at 7 in the morning with only 4 other players actively in the game. I shot myself with the freeze ray because I wanted to see what it did. It was an OOC action. Was it greifing? No. Did it effect the game in any way? No.

So why am I being banned for doing something with so few people on. At a time when it doesn't matter. Most of all, it wasn't anything that even EFFECTED anyone else. I didn't know about the no suicide rule, even if I did, I wouldn't think it would matter given that the game had so few participants, since it's 7 in the freaking morning.

But this admin feels the need to string me up and nail me to a cross for logging out and wanting to see what the freeze ray did -without- griefing or lolkilling anyone?

 

Suiciding

- Typically suicide is not allowed, and normally it's bad RP and against the rules. If you have to go SSD, just go SSD.

- If you are thinking about suiciding, it is STRONGLY RECOMMENDED you ahelp to get approval first.

- Allowing someone to kill your character (or vice-versa) does not make it ok. In other words: consent of the SSD being killed does not make it ok; the SSD and their killer will be punished for it.

Seriously, you lucked out that Tish gave you a one day ban.

[Frances]

Whoops. Completely missed that one and now it has two pages. Anyway.

Let's see. Appeal for a dayban. Hm.

Alright. There's two reasons why somebody would usually post an appeal. The first is you fucked up, and you acknowledge you fucked up. That's sorta easy. You come on, say, "sorry, I fucked up", and we usually unban you if you're civil enough (and haven't fucked up too much). Second reason is you believe somebody else fucked up, and you shouldn't have been banned. In which case you come on, explain politely why you think the ban was unfair, and wait.

Politely.

Hm.

 

So apparentally I was banned with all these notes being held against me. Most of them were from incidents I wasn't even warned for and were just by over-zelous admins

 

This is vindictive.

 

apparentally this is my fault? he could have muted -ME- if he wanted. He muted the entire OOC, and that should not be in my notes as him deciding to mute the OOC is -NOT MY FAULT-. He constantly was spamming the chat with 'ENOUGH DROP IT STOP TALKING' and I'm sorry I'm not going to just drop a conversation because some guy with pruple text feels he has the power to tell me what i can and can't talk about.

 

But this admin feels the need to string me up and nail me to a cross

 

AND ANOTHER THING. People wouldnt have EVEN KNOWN ABOUT THE SUICIDE IF I HADNT HAD SAID ANYTHING. This ban is -STUPID-.

 

Unban me.

 

These notes need to be erased, and I need to be treated unbiasedly.

 

I refuse. I want my ban lifted and my notes wiped. And other's notes to also be wiped.

 

the admin team is being extremely Obtuse for no good reason

 

I'm sorry? Did I enter bizzarro world where people ammount to nothing and no-one has a soul or conscience?

 

These notes need to be wiped.

 

If I was not seen fit to ban or punish for these incidents in my notes. Why, then, are they being held against me and considered when someone finally does find a reason, however insignificant, to ban me? It's vindictive, gross over justification for something that was -not- ban worthy

 

Okay. That's quite a lot of angry text - but surely we can calm down, and take a moment to discuss this, until we can meet on-

 

I will continue to argue towards what I believe is right as long as I live.

Oh.

Okay. You might not actually be in the right place for this. So let me lay it down for you:

You're an idiot. You were always an idiot. Notes are here to represent how much of an idiot you are, and they are not biased, because you acted like an idiot and were given notes that represent it, so that next time you act like an idiot, our staff actually knows to punish you appropriately rather than giving you another slap on the wrist (that you will clearly disregard or argue against).

We actually generally try to take the nicer approach at first - but the more notes an user gets, the less likely we are to show leniency. A conversation with the admins should be a pretty good sign that you've fucked up, and that you should maybe take the proper steps to not fuck up again. We don't have to inform you about every single rule you've broken - you break one, ignorance isn't a defense because you're supposed to read all the rules before joining, but we can be lenient and overlook that. You keep breaking rules? Nope. You probably should've read them the first time you were asked to.

And yelling in OOC, yelling in adminhelps, and coming onto here to yell about it isn't going to help you.

Now, let's look at the very first rule of the server. The first thing you're going to stumble upon when you give our rulepage a read.

 

-Don't be a dick.

Oh.

So here's the facts. You go around stirring up trouble, yelling a ton, making angry posts. You somehow expect us to listen to you, despite that. But there is a harsh truth you will have to face: not only was every single punishment carried out against you entirely justified, but nobody likes you. And you have not been dealt with "unfairly" by the staff (you fucked up, you got the boot), though at this point, you should probably ask yourself why you feel like everybody is holding a grudge against you. And the answer why is simple:

You're being a dick.

So, I'm not actually going to play the hand-holding game. The one where we patiently explain to you how every single sentence you ever got was justified as you fabricate asinine arguments while trying to belittle us as much as you can. Instead, I'm just going to extend your ban to a week-long one, for making such a god-awful appeal, and to give you some time to think about what you've done and maybe consider changing your attitude.

Here's my advice: Don't think about bitching about this one. Don't even think about posting anything. Take some time off, reevaluate your life decisions, and come back to us when you're ready not to be such an asshole anymore.

Appeal denied.

[TishinaStalker]

Greetings,

Person who banned you last night speaking, and I'm going to be brutally honest with you. I should've banned you on that very first occasion on the 19th for three days. You say you don't remember this incident, but I remember it clearly. You were walking down starboard primary as a geneticist that was professional in close combat, weapons expertise, and like four other fields that required doctorates. You found a laser rifle in the hall, and picked it up. You went into the maint. tunnel between science and escape where you were pushed down by a CSI that proceeded to flee. What did you do? You ran to the shuttle, and then initiated a firefight with said laser rifle where you turned the CSI and the Warden (saved for having a sec hardsuit) into Swiss cheese. EoR grief is usually punished with a three-day ban without notification, and that's what I should've done, but I felt /nice/, and decided to simply wind you in order to talk out the situation with you. Now, onto why I didn't ban you for three days last night.

Last night, I should've straight up banned you for three days without a doubt. An admin even said he was surprised I didn't do it. Why should I have done it? Because you carried out serious disrespect of staff, where you questioned on whether I required a helmet or not by calling me retarded, and several other insults (such as calling me a "shitmin"). You then tried playing it off that, that is just you being "respectful". That is not how you respect someone. I don't go up to my father, the one person I do not respect more than anyone, and call him a "retard" when we're trying to have a polite conversation. Why? Because I /respect/ the man. Respect is "a positive feeling of esteem or deference for a person or other entity (such as a nation or a religion), and also specific actions and conduct representative of that esteem." I should've banned you for three days. In fact, I genuinely considered banning you for five days instead of three, but that's because I do not take shit from people that are not my friends, and that /especially/ includes strangers that were already on bad grounds with me for a previous incident. I then decided that, that would've been me going overboard with the situation. So you know what I did instead? I decided that I wanted to be /nice/ to you, despite you already resorting to throwing insults at me without a care. So what did I do after deciding that? I gave you a one day ban instead of the three day ban you deserved. Now, about your notes.

Your notes have shown that so far you do not learn from your mistakes considering that you have three notes against you for OOC behavior, and have disrespected staff twice before. Once for talking back to an administrator telling you to do something in a rather hostile manner (OOC: Launch-Box: I'm sorry who made you able to tell me when I can stop talking about something?# The OOC channel has been globally disabled!#), and now the little incident from last night. If your notes showed differently, then I would've been inclined to believe that I could let you off with a slap on the wrists for the incident, but they didn't. Most players learn with a ban to not repeat behavior they were banned for. Your behavior in this case, being not learning from warnings or the consequences brought forth by your actions. So far with this thread, you are proving my thoughts on this improving your behavior to have been wrong, and is leading me to believe that your bans should be escalated in another situation. Honestly? This makes me rather sad because it is my belief that people can learn.

All of this being said and done, wait it out since your appeal was denied, and reflect on /why/ I banned you, rather than arguing "If I hadn't said anything, then I wouldn't have been caught!" Because that is the excuse of a criminal.