[Denied]Warning Removal - Chaznoodles

[Chaznoodles]

BYOND Key: Chaznoodles.

Total Ban Length: Warning.

Banning staff member's Key: Hunnewle.

Reason of Ban:

hunnewle 2016-09-21 18:42:19 Self-antagging behavior, put on a deceased ninja's suit. disobeyed orders from HoS (as a officer under them).

Reason for Appeal:

I wass Gainsboro, officer. I spent the first part of the round doing my usual thing. Ninja comes to the Brig, HoS orders them arrested for contraband suit. I tase them down, suit prevents cuffs, so we pin them until the suit is removed by a doctor, at which point they are cuffed. I spend a decent amount of time with the suit, before handing it to the HoS, and going about my usual. At some point after this, two more ninjas arrive, and say they have a hostage. A biohazard blob is reported by the AI at Medbay, so I run over to deal with it, with an ion rifle and energy carbine. As I'm about to enter the area to deal with it, the AI reports one hostile in Science, so I gun it over there. When I arrive, I see someone with the name Bluespace Technician via their ID, wearing the ninjasuit. I tase and baton them down, using all the charge I had in the process. It turns out to be a scientist, they whine, and eventually remove the suit and hand it to me. I start running back to the Brig to dump the suit and charge my weapons, when the HoS starts ordering me to give the Scientist back the suit. I refuse, explaining why - that the Scientist was misusing it, as well as resulting in me being unable to deal with the biohazard. He orders me arrested, so I dump the suit in EVA under the Breacher suit, as it's the least likely place to be checked.

I return to the Brig to charge my weapons to go deal with the biohazard, HoS corners me and orders me to return the suit, then starts counting down. At this point, another officer reports a hostile outside the eastern entrance to the Bridge. I grab my weapons from the charger and start hightailing it down there, reasoning it's more important than talking to the HoS, thinking he'd prioritise too, in which I was thinking wrong. He tries to flashbang me in the corridor and fails, as a result of sunglasses. He then draws a gun on me, so I ion him with the rifle and keep on going to the location called. When I arrive, the second ninja is there with a locker. He pulls a sword and I call his bluff, resulting in him being stunned on the floor by the combined efforts of two officers and I. The HoS arrives and tries to baton me down, not remembering his baton has no charge as a result of the ion. Instead, he harmbatons the unconscious ninja to critical. I drag the ninja to Medbay, but there's no staff and Medbay is vented as a result of the earlier biohazard which had been left to grow because I hadn't been able to deal with it, so I run over to robotics with the ninja and get the suit sawed off by the roboticist. I deposit the ninja at Medbay, suitless, and deposit this suit in Evidence, reporting it to everyone on the Security channel. The HoS asks where the other suit is, and I say it's in a safe location. He orders me to return it again, I refuse, justifying myself with the previous reasoning and his actions.

I go on over to EVA, and decide to play about with the suit a bit. I get as far as toggling it on and off, playing around with toggling different parts. I end up with just the gloves active. At this point, the AI declares over announcements that I'm dangerous and need to be detained, so I slap on my armour vest, grab my weapons and scurry into Maintenance. AI can't locate me because I'm wearing one of the ninja IDs. At this point, it declares that there's a hostile on Telecomms, and comms goes down at that moment. I take up the mantle once more and jog over to the teleporter. Outside I encounter an officer and the RD. The officer declares that I'm to be arrested, I explain what I'm doing quickly and concisely. The RD promptly walks over to the nearest intercom and screams out where I am. I ask the AI to open the teleporter using the same intercom, and it does so. I'm setting the destination when it cuts power and bolts the door. Shortly after, the Captain walks in, with an engineer (if I recall), two officers and the Detective. They declare I'm under arrest, I refuse politely and explain my reasoning. It's ignored and they pull stun weapons. I pull the ion rifle and ion them, to stop them shooting me. The detective and officers promptly pull pistols fully loaded with lethals and unload them into me. I pulled my carbine and fired off taser shots at them, not switching to lethals. I die as a result of the lethals.

As it turns out, the previous wearer of the suit had toggled the deadman's switch on, most likely the scientist I confiscated it from. It promptly explodes, breaching the teleporter, resulting in the deaths of everyone inside. I adminhelp about the lethals, and after a long discussion about 'how IPCs shouldn't know how RIGsuits work' and 'Using antag gear is against the rules', I get slapped with a warning.

Long story short, I didn't do anything nor did I escalate situations, instead trying to do my job as best I could whilst trying to prevent others from dicking around. Neither the HoS who beat an unconscious man to crit, nor the officers who went full lethals on me resulting in multiple deaths, were PM'd, let alone punished. I'd like this warning removed as a result of overzealous administration, and failing to listen to the explained situation, as well as something done about the HoS beating someone to death, and the officers causing multiple deaths without need.

[sonicgotnuked]

I would like to point out a couple things

First

From reading this, if you disagree with the way the staff gave you a warning, you should post this under staff complaint

Second

Warnings should not just be applied to be removed. When you end up fucking up and get slapped a warning. It does two things

It first slaps some sense into you with its attempt to make you learn from your mistakes and not repeat it.

Second, it tells all staff of what you have done before so incase you do the same fuck up again, they will see you have done it before. Which brings us to,

Thierd, if it gets removed, the staff will not see the warning and then if you do happen to repeat it in a short amount of time between, they can't give you a greater punishment.

It really will not affect you if you don't have a sparky and clean record. I still have my warning from when I vented shuttle as a tator AI from like 3 months ago...

As long as you are not getting one every day. But it should be fine of you get one by accident for when you make a mistake in your judgment between long periods of time

[UnknownMurder]

Note:

The Research Department gets angry with Gainsboro taking away their Control Module Suit they were planning to use for experiment under Captain's orders. You refused to give it to me, refused to stand down after being told by Head of Security, chased by Security, declared rogue officer by Captain and AI. You can probably tell that the people, whom you refused orders, hate you for your continuing actions.

After the emergency shuttle docks the station, the Captain Zander Moon, Head of Security Sukhale Gokale(?), and Chief Engineer Oliver Roadman were relieved when Gainsboro was dead since you were declared a rogue IPC officer waving your ion rifle (putting yourself at huge risk) around by the Head of Security, Captain, and the AI. I'm the one who called Ash LaCroix and his tajaran partner over to you.

[Chaznoodles]

 

I'm not complaining about the staff member, I'm complaining about the note itself. The warning did nothing, because I didn't do anything worth a warning.

I've been banned over notes before on Aurora. Recently, a player was sec-jobbanned due to their notes. Tell me it doesn't have an impact?

 

Note:

The Research Department gets angry with Gainsboro taking away their Control Module Suit they were planning to use for experiment under Captain's orders. You refused to give it to me, refused to stand down after being told by Head of Security, chased by Security, declared rogue officer by Captain and AI. You can probably tell that the people, whom you refused orders, hate you for your continuing actions.

After the emergency shuttle docks the station, the Captain Zander Moon, Head of Security Sukhale Gokale(?), and Chief Engineer Oliver Roadman were relieved when Gainsboro was dead since you were declared a rogue IPC officer waving your ion rifle (putting yourself at huge risk) around by the Head of Security, Captain, and the AI. I'm the one who called Ash LaCroix and his tajaran partner over to you.

 

Research Department were misusing it, as I previously stated, so it was confiscated. As an officer, the Director has no jurisdiction over me, as is made clear whenever you join as a role. I explained my reasoning to the HoS and he ignored it. I was busy actually doing my job rather than listening to the people trying to arrest me for doing it.

The ion rifle was kept on my back at all times unless fired. I only fired it when the HoS was chasing me before the detainment of the second ninja in order to stop him from stopping me doing my job, and at the officers in the Teleporter when I was on the way to detain the third ninja, to stop them from stopping me doing my job, again. I'm curious why they thought an IPC who had done nothing but assist the station and stop hostiles all round was killworthy, looking for their valids maybe?

I know you were the one who called them, I was literally standing right next to you when you doddled over to the intercom and screeched into it, without giving me a chance to explain what I was doing - going to Telecomms to detain the third hostile, who had just deactivated comms.

Plus, isn't this the kind of thing that gets dealt with through IC reports, rather than staff intervention, seeing as at no point did I break a rule or overstep?

[VileFault]

I am pretty new, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. So, even your own account of what happened seems fairly damning. You say the following:

 

I only fired it when the HoS was chasing me before the detainment of the second ninja in order to stop him from stopping me doing my job, and at the officers in the Teleporter when I was on the way to detain the third ninja, to stop them from stopping me doing my job, again.

Firing on your commanding officer, or your fellow officers, is pretty much an insane thing to do. It would certainly mean immediate arrest, and subsequent termination. There is no way around that. "I wanted to do my job" is a piss-poor excuse for an officer in this situation. Your character would know that their job isn't to be Dirty Harry - it is to follow orders. Think realistically about your future from this point onwards. You could face decades of jail time for three counts of aggravated assault, and when you consider Nanotrasen's influence in the Biesel Government your punishment only gets harsher still. Even when you got out, your career as a security officer would be over. Nanotrasen is one of the biggest employers, and you sure as shit aren't getting a job back there. And who really wants an old officer that has been wasting away in prison for the last generation, especially one who shot their prior boss?

My point is that your security officer would have to be utterly psychopathic or moronic to behave this way. If you wanted to play a "don't get in my way, I need to save the station" kind of officer, there are tons of other options that you could have taken. You could have shouted out the HOS instead. You could have ran, but stopped when they pulled a gun (like a normal person). You could have attacked the HOS in a fit of rage, but then turned yourself in when you realized the immense seriousness of your crime. All of these options would have gotten across what you were trying to convey, without making your character seem like a lunatic.

 

Long story short, I didn't do anything nor did I escalate situations, instead trying to do my job as best I could whilst trying to prevent others from dicking around. Neither the HoS who beat an unconscious man to crit, nor the officers who went full lethals on me resulting in multiple deaths, were PM'd, let alone punished.

Calling shooting your boss "preventing others from dicking around" is a bit of a stretch. And the actions of others don't really change what you did. If the HOS really did beat to death an unconscious man, then I guess that is bad too.

Anyway, sorry if I sounded a bit harsh. I get how it is easy to get swept up in a game and momentarily lose sight of your character's motivations. Nonetheless, from what I have seen here, it seems perfectly appropriate to give you a warning.

[Brayce]

That round featured an amazing amount of stupid all around to be honest, but (and disclaimer I didn't witness everything involved between Sec, and the ninja that round) from what I saw the round started off with Gainsboro, and the HoS validing the antag simply because they were there. While ICly it might've made sense, OOCly it felt like a dick move all around not to mention the fact you opened fired on said antag, and they didn't respond AT ALL from what I saw leading me to believe they were afk for most of the assault up until halfway of their suit being removed. I was in the round as CE, and I didn't encounter him until the end when he was killed from the suit exploding along with nearly 4 others, but it certainly sounded like self-antagging from what was coming through from command. It was especially hypocritical I might add to arrest the first ninja who had the suit for contraband only for yourself to turn around, and wear it apparently resisting all attempts to relieve you of it. There wasn't much to explain there. I don't see how as a Security officer you can determined Science was misusing an item given to them with orders from the captain, or why as a Security officer you thought you had the authority over the RD about how an unidentified, and unresearched item should be used, in their own damned department no less. I'd also like to draw attention to this

http://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=111&p=68634#p68634

Specifically

All heads of department outrank security officers, cadets, wardens, and detectives. And are permitted to give you orders especially within their own department. So long as they are legal and not overruled by the HoS, Acting Captain or Captain. Failure may lead to charges of failure to follow orders, or sedition.

I think you got lucky with just a warning.

[ChevalierMalFet]

Not that I have any actual skin in this game, but because I'm the deuteragonist in this story - I played Subhash Gokhale - I'll chime in with my two cents about what happened, in chronological order to the best of my memory.

1) At the very start of the shift, one of the ninjas, in full ninja attire, shows up at the security desk and says that they lost their card. Thankfully, the team all seems to be on the same page about this - we're going to give the ninja a mulligan on this one and pretend, as gently as possible, that this never happened. We take her picture and build her a security file, and I wander off to talk to the captain.

2) After a brief digression with some engineers who came onto the bridge to install the shield, I have a chat with the Captain about what we should do about this unannounced, unregistered, unmanifested visitor.

3) While I am talking with the Captain, somebody in security reports that said visitor can both teleport and damage APCs. I ask the Captain what we should do about that, and he says to yank the ninja's gear.

4) The ninja's gear cannot be yanked, nor can the ninja be handcuffed. This is an important point to remember for later. We have to call in a medical professional to cut the rigsuit off the ninja, who goes into the Warden's custody for contraband. I also get their Syndicate contract computer.

5) Wanting to spread the pollen of love, I take the two pieces of gear - the rig module and the syndicate contract computer - and walk it down to Research so that they can have some fun with it. As I go, I spot a Bluespace Technician zapping off Ash LaCroix's clothes over and over again. I shrug inwardly and keep walking.

6) I find some people in research, shove it into their hands, and walk back.

7) At this point, things start happening more quickly, but if I'm correct then at this point a Bluespace Technician - or someone with that name - is also in a Ninja suit, there's a scuffle, and they detonate themselves. This is later retconned, or something, but the Captain gets killed and I don't.

8) Another Ninja announces their presence, announces that they have a hostage, and demands the return of the captured ninja and the captured equipment. I try to negotiate, and since his demands are limited to the stuff we don't actually own - he just wants his loot back - I figure that it's safer, if they actually have hostages, to just give it to them.

9) I go down to research again, meet with a scientist who has the rigsuit, and ask for the stuff back. He says that the Captain wants him to experiment with it, and either I take him at his word or else I call it in, I don't recall. Either way, I leave him with the equipment and head back, preparing to organize a repulsion. I think carp are also an issue at this time, as are rogue slimes.

10) Some time passes. Tensions rise. The Captain is present but incommunicado, and I have no idea whether I'm supposed to talk or fight. At some point, somebody - I think it's Ash LaCroix again - gets the bright idea that the rigsuit has to be matched with the ninja's ID card, and now we're cooking with gas. It apparently works. There's also a biohazard at some point, though it may have been earlier or later.

11) It is at this point that the events Chaz described occur. From my visual perspective, it was the Captain and RD shouting into one ear that Gainsboro needs to give up the suit, and Gainsboro announcing in the other that he won't do it. I wheedle him continuously for about five minutes, to no avail.

12) Finally, Gainsboro returns to the brig. I catch him charging two weapons in wall chargers, and tell him that I need him to render the loot right now. This is about the tenth time I've made this order explicit, and he refuses it all the while.

13) I decide that since there is now a biohazard, and an active hostage situation with a shooter who has suicide bombs, and a non-compliant Security Officer who is standing 10 feet away from me, carrying or concealing very dangerous equipment, and holding a gun in each hand, that enough is simply enough. Discipline has failed and it needs to be restored with prejudice. I go for my e-pistol, prepared for - let's put it how it is - a summary execution.

14) Gainsboro is quicker on the draw than I am, because I have to switch my gun to lethal. He pops off a shot at me with the ion cannon, rendering my gun useless. Now that it's an active mutiny situation, I pursue with flashbangs but do not manage to catch him with one.

15) I follow Gainsboro round a corner, and round a corner again, and - look! There's the last hostile, right in front of the bridge! I draw my baton, ready to join in the melee and catch him before he can teleport away, but its charge is gone - I've been shot by an ion rifle. Lacking any other viable stun equipment, I switch to Harm and go to town on the guy until he's down. Remembering that these guys cannot be cuffed, can teleport, and can explode, I figure the only way to contain him is to beat him into non-functionality - so I him a few more times for good measure until I see the 'X scream!' message.

16) The ninja managed to slice the shit out of me, so I had to spend a while tracking down medical, being healed, and recharging and replacing my equipment. As such, I did not participate in the rest of the round's events.

If I were to personally criticize anybody's actions during that round, it would be the Bluespace Technician, but that's neither here nor there.

[Chaznoodles]

the round started off with Gainsboro, and the HoS validing the antag simply because they were there.

 

HoS ordered them arrested, so I complied.

 

It was especially hypocritical I might add to arrest the first ninja who had the suit for contraband only for yourself to turn around, and wear it apparently resisting all attempts to relieve you of it. There wasn't much to explain there. I don't see how as a Security officer you can determined Science was misusing an item given to them with orders from the captain, or why as a Security officer you thought you had the authority over the RD about how an unidentified, and unresearched item should be used, in their own damned department no less.

 

Needs must. The item had been misused and resulted in further problems - the biohazard - onstation, which is why it was confiscated, as I stated previously.

 

Specifically

All heads of department outrank security officers, cadets, wardens, and detectives. And are permitted to give you orders especially within their own department. So long as they are legal and not overruled by the HoS, Acting Captain or Captain. Failure may lead to charges of failure to follow orders, or sedition.

I think you got lucky with just a warning.

 

Expectations of Security, not rules. Plus, I believe I wasn't in the RD's department whilst he was screeching at me to return the suit, so that doesn't apply.

 

10) Some time passes. Tensions rise. The Captain is present but incommunicado, and I have no idea whether I'm supposed to talk or fight. At some point, somebody - I think it's Ash LaCroix again - gets the bright idea that the rigsuit has to be matched with the ninja's ID card, and now we're cooking with gas. It apparently works. There's also a biohazard at some point, though it may have been earlier or later.

 

This was me, again.

 

11) It is at this point that the events Chaz described occur. From my visual perspective, it was the Captain and RD shouting into one ear that Gainsboro needs to give up the suit, and Gainsboro announcing in the other that he won't do it. I wheedle him continuously for about five minutes, to no avail.

 

I stated the reasonings for not returning it. Over and over again. The Captain and HoS don't have the right to declare what is and isn't criminal.

 

12) Finally, Gainsboro returns to the brig. I catch him charging two weapons in wall chargers, and tell him that I need him to render the loot right now. This is about the tenth time I've made this order explicit, and he refuses it all the while.

 

Both weapons I expended stunning the Scientist in the ninja suit, rather than dealing with the blob, which was my original purpose for being there.

 

13) I decide that since there is now a biohazard, and an active hostage situation with a shooter who has suicide bombs, and a non-compliant Security Officer who is standing 10 feet away from me, carrying or concealing very dangerous equipment, and holding a gun in each hand, that enough is simply enough. Discipline has failed and it needs to be restored with prejudice. I go for my e-pistol, prepared for - let's put it how it is - a summary execution.

 

So, you were going to kill me for saying no and providing reasoning for it? That's reassuring to hear, could a staff member look into this?

 

14) Gainsboro is quicker on the draw than I am, because I have to switch my gun to lethal. He pops off a shot at me with the ion cannon, rendering my gun useless. Now that it's an active mutiny situation, I pursue with flashbangs but do not manage to catch him with one.

 

Lucky I didn't just gun you down, since you were so happy to kill me. If it was a mutiny situation, I would've dealt with you there and then, not responded to the call that the second ninja was outside the Bridge.

 

15) I follow Gainsboro round a corner, and round a corner again, and - look! There's the last hostile, right in front of the bridge! I draw my baton, ready to join in the melee and catch him before he can teleport away, but its charge is gone - I've been shot by an ion rifle. Lacking any other viable stun equipment, I switch to Harm and go to town on the guy until he's down. Remembering that these guys cannot be cuffed, can teleport, and can explode, I figure the only way to contain him is to beat him into non-functionality - so I him a few more times for good measure until I see the 'X scream!' message.

 

Actually, no, that's an incorrect statement. Myself and two other officers got the ninja on the floor and I pinned him. During the course of this, you repeatedly prodded me with your inactive stun baton, before turning it to harm and smashing the incapacitated ninja whom I had pinned to critical.

[Chaznoodles]

One week since last response, still waiting.

[sonicgotnuked]

The Captain and HoS don't have the right to declare what is and isn't criminal.

If they both are order you to do something then you have to do it

[Guest]

The Captain and HoS don't have the right to declare what is and isn't criminal.

 

They declare what context is applicable actually, and that's what it seems like in this case.

You shouldn't be playing security if you can't take orders from a head of security or captain.

[Chaznoodles]

The Captain and HoS don't have the right to declare what is and isn't criminal.

 

They declare what context is applicable actually, and that's what it seems like in this case.

You shouldn't be playing security if you can't take orders from a head of security or captain.

 

And the person in question shouldn't be playing head of security if taking a player out of the round permanently is their first thought. They don't control regulations. A crime is a crime, especially to an IPC with a strict set of programming.

 

The Captain and HoS don't have the right to declare what is and isn't criminal.

If they both are order you to do something then you have to do it

 

I don't believe I do, as I had IC reasoning not to.

[sonicgotnuked]

Taking this all out away from regulation and orders. A IPC should not be able to know how to use a high tech suit.

[Chaznoodles]

Taking this all out away from regulation and orders. A IPC should not be able to know how to use a high tech suit.

 

You'll need to state your reasoning for this.

[UnknownMurder]

Taking this all out away from regulation and orders. A IPC should not be able to know how to use a high tech suit.

 

You'll need to state your reasoning for this.

 

Watch out, Captain! We're derailing the topic to irrelevant areas!

I can explain this one easily. IPCs do not have unlimited information/database for everything. You cannot simply pick up an object, scan the object, then say, "Oh. I know this. My data says this and that. Therefore, I am compatible." It doesn't really work like that. The Ninja Suit is suppose to be one-of-a-kind, you decided to use the ninja suit's module and defense to your advantage. You were acting robotically, then humane, then back to robotically, changing characters' feelings based on your OOC feelings. This is only a warning, so you can just let it drop. Even though, if it is dropped, it will still stick on your notes.

IPC Loremaster should be able to explain clearly of IPCs and what we expect from them.

[Chaznoodles]

Taking this all out away from regulation and orders. A IPC should not be able to know how to use a high tech suit.

 

You'll need to state your reasoning for this.

 

Watch out, Captain! We're derailing the topic to irrelevant areas!

I can explain this one easily. IPCs do not have unlimited information/database for everything. You cannot simply pick up an object, scan the object, then say, "Oh. I know this. My data says this and that. Therefore, I am compatible." It doesn't really work like that. The Ninja Suit is suppose to be one-of-a-kind, you decided to use the ninja suit's module and defense to your advantage. You were acting robotically, then humane, then back to robotically, changing characters' feelings based on your OOC feelings. This is only a warning, so you can just let it drop. Even though, if it is dropped, it will still stick on your notes.

IPC Loremaster should be able to explain clearly of IPCs and what we expect from them.

 

I toggled the suit on, then toggled everything but the gloves off. I'd assume hardsuits have some sort of standardisation, which I said to the staff member in question and they accepted it. At no point, unlike the previous wearer of the suit - looking at the Scientist who toggled the dead man's switch on - did I touch anything in the hardsuit panel. I did not use it, it's modules, or any defences it had to my advantage in any confrontation.

At no point did my characterisation change. I played Gainsboro how I always play him. I'm not dropping this warning.

[DatBerry]

Let me drop my 2 cents real quick.

Firstly, following the chain of command is an OOC rule, you need a very strong reason to disobey your direct commander, and arguing about scientists abusing the rig is not one.

Secondly, how was the scientist abusing the rig again? He was in science, doing science when the AI reported him as an intruder, i am almost sure the AI never bothered to check with the science department and just you assuming they were a valid ended y

up wasting all your charge. The scientist was following the captain and RD's orders, and iirc ninja rig suits only work with the ninja ID, so that means the dumb ass name is not the scientist's fault, but that doesnt matter because BSTs are an OOC thing and should not be taken into consideration ICly, the people who were impersonating BSTs were bwoinked.

[Chaznoodles]

Let me drop my 2 cents real quick.

Firstly, following the chain of command is an OOC rule, you need a very strong reason to disobey your direct commander, and arguing about scientists abusing the rig is not one.

 

Does the fact his first thought - and first attempt - was to try and kill me make that reason enough?

 

Secondly, how was the scientist abusing the rig again? He was in science, doing science when the AI reported him as an intruder, i am almost sure the AI never bothered to check with the science department and just you assuming they were a valid ended y

 

I went on the AI's words, why he had it fully active with the ninja's ID on during a code-red situation where there were still ninjas is beyond me. There was no way to identify them, and we already had them identified as dangerous.

 

up wasting all your charge. The scientist was following the captain and RD's orders, and iirc ninja rig suits only work with the ninja ID, so that means the dumb ass name is not the scientist's fault, but that doesnt matter because BSTs are an OOC thing and should not be taken into consideration ICly, the people who were impersonating BSTs were bwoinked.

 

There was no prior declaration that they were sciencing it, they knew the risks when they decided to wear it.

[DatBerry]

Does the fact his first thought - and first attempt - was to try and kill me make that reason enough?

 

You were refusing direct orders from your commanding officer on code red,

But that is irrelevant because you were ignoring him before he tried to shoot you up, in fact it is the reason for that.

 

I went on the AI's words, why he had it fully active with the ninja's ID on during a code-red situation where there were still ninjas is beyond me. There was no way to identify them, and we already had them identified as dangerous.

 

The scientist isnt the one who order this, nor does he have multi radio channels to coordinate, while the AI that reported it and the captain who ordered this do, this isn't the scientist's fault. Either the AI didn't hear about the experiments nor bothered to check with the science department or they did it on purpose.

Or the captain did clear it up with the security department and you just missed it.

 

There was no prior declaration that they were sciencing it, they knew the risks when they decided to wear it.

 

Why do scientists need to declare they're doing science, in science?

The one who brought the suit should've cleared things up.

Seeing how it was with the warden its clear they were given the suit, which im guessing was an order over sec radio, that you missed.

[Shadow]

No idea why this is still open.

Player was permanently banned a while ago.

Appeal denied as per 20FEB17.