Mirk's unban appeal

[mirkoloio]

BYOND Key: mirkoloio

Total Ban Length: permanent

Banning staff member's Key: alberyk

Reason of Ban: https://puu.sh/tRoSI.png

Reason for Appeal: Warning, formating may cause eye cancer, ebola or aids. You have been warned.

I think, honestly, what was done was justified and in accordance with the rules.

I've been playing Ghul that round, the Vaurca you all like. (Don't deny it)

We had raiding Vox that round and they started attacking and destroying places. Including Cargo and security.

My Vaurca Warrior, Ghul, Is as his name might already indicate a Security Officer. Avowed for and all approved and whatnot, yeah?

Now then. Seeing I have been secbanned at the time, I was playing QM, wich is the Job Ghul does when not Security. Playing the ban off as extended leave or someshit, don't look at me weirdly when that's the wrong word. Anyway, I've offered my help to the HoS, since several security members that day stated that they're outarmed and understaffed for that. So I jumped for it, got armed with approval of security and the HoS and circled the station with them.

I had explicitly asked the HoS if I should try and subdue said raiders. Wich he confirmed, stating that killing should be last resort there.

Well, that sorted out, I cirled the station a few times, my Vaurca quite angered now that they TOO attacked his second department, cargo!

Vaurca Warriors are made to protect their Hive/Employees/Workplace. It's in ther DNA, in their very nature to try protect the people to the best of their ability. (Provided the Vaurca isn't L'iidra.

Anyway, Alberyk bonked me, said it's not alright and while I was typing a response to his ahelp (second response, actually) I was already banned.

NOW: I think, I've been acting within the rules, escalating IC conflict as non-antag in a believable way. I did at no time discharge any weapon that shift, nor had hurt any player. And accussing me of just Validhunting... I think that's a bit rude, Alberyk. In all honsesty there.

Thank you for reading this.

"Stop being stupid, Enable your suit sensors!" -StamOS, Android

[Alberyk]

Now then. Seeing I have been secbanned at the time, I was playing QM, wich is the Job Ghul does when not Security. Playing the ban off as extended leave or someshit, don't look at me weirdly when that's the wrong word. Anyway, I've offered my help to the HoS, since several security members that day stated that they're outarmed and understaffed for that. So I jumped for it, got armed with approval of security and the HoS and circled the station with them.

 

Still, you were secbanned, and that is clearly bypassing a job ban, and the reason I applied a perma ban. And from looking into logs, it seems you were armed by the warden, instead of the head of security, but, I am asking for the involved parts to put their parts in. Even if myself, as security personnel in said round, never heard of the quartermaster being armed up and I saw you outside, running around alone wearing full tactical gear, a laser rifle and thermals probably looted from the body of the raider smashed by the mining shuttle.

 

I had explicitly asked the HoS if I should try and subdue said raiders. Wich he confirmed, stating that killing should be last resort there.

Well, that sorted out, I cirled the station a few times, my Vaurca quite angered now that they TOO attacked his second department, cargo!

 

You had the intent of going after the raiders, which didn't do anything to your character, as non security to fight them.

 

Vaurca Warriors are made to protect their Hive/Employees/Workplace. It's in ther DNA, in their very nature to try protect the people to the best of their ability. (Provided the Vaurca isn't L'iidra.

 

This is enough excuse to ignore said security ban, arm up and chase armed hostiles around.

 

NOW: I think, I've been acting within the rules, escalating IC conflict as non-antag in a believable way. I did at no time discharge any weapon that shift, nor had hurt any player. And accussing me of just Validhunting... I think that's a bit rude, Alberyk. In all honsesty there.

 

There is a clear difference between protecting yourself and your department, which you weren't doing by going outside and chasing said raiders, if this was the case, I would be fine with it. However, you were indeed validhunting by going out of your way to kill antags. And I am not eager in lifting this ban because it seems you are unable to understand what you did wrong, and your extensive history, of notes, warning and bans, is not really helping you here.

[CommanderXor]

Uh, warden here. I think (According to Alb, I was that round.)

If I am recalling correctly, security was out and about fighting the hostile heisters. Trying to remember, we had two officers out because only two suits. Ghul had arrived and I approved him grabbing a rifle and gear because hey, one more EVA-capable person. In my opinion, this seems like a unneeded ban, because he didn't really bypass the ban per-say. I mean he lacked the access, title, etc. He just had a rifle and armour. You could say the same for anyone who gets banned from a job and decides to pick up the gear from it. But I digress, I had armed Ghul because the situation called for it, with the heisters having bikes, one in a RIG suit (The red one, a Tajaran, I believe.) So I thought if we could toss another person in to space to fight, it'd be worth it.

That's just my two cents and side from what I remember.

[mirkoloio]

Warden armed me, HoS didn't say no or disagree. From my PoV, they accepted it and were glad/content with my character helping.

I don't understand how it's circumventing a ban if literally everyone could've done that. If we go after that way of thought, stealing the Captain's spare would be circumventing a head whitelist, or what? I simply don't understand your logic behind the ban.

[mirkoloio]

And I'd like you to focus on this here incident. The last real bad things I did are nearly a year back, yeah? That should fucking expire at some point.

[Alberyk]

I don't understand how it's circumventing a ban if literally everyone could've done that. If we go after that way of thought, stealing the Captain's spare would be circumventing a head whitelist, or what? I simply don't understand your logic behind the ban.

 

You were sec banned, not even the first time in the last months, and then, you armed yourself with weapons and security gear and ran after antags, that is pretty much playing as security. Also, if someone that is captain banned stole the spare and started to act like the captain, I would have applied the ban in the same way.

 

And I'd like you to focus on this here incident. The last real bad things I did are nearly a year back, yeah? That should fucking expire at some point.

 

As being said, you were sec banned when this happened, and the ban also happened due to a warning before it, hardly nearly a year back ago.

[mirkoloio]

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Now, I think, I see what you mean.. Yeah. My fault.. gosh, i'm dumb.

Sorry 'bout it, Alber. We learn from our stupidity, don't we?

[Scheveningen]

Even though you've been here for long enough to know what lines not to cross, Mirkolio?

I somehow don't believe your remorse.

[Alberyk]

After having a discussion with the staff, we agreed to lift this ban with the condition that your security should be extended to a permanent one.

[mirkoloio]

Eh. I guess I'm not much in the position to make negotiations.

I'm cool with it.

[Alberyk]

Appeal accepted under said conditions.