[Resolved]Staff Complaint - 1138/Delta

[coolbc2000]

BYOND Key: Coolbc2000

Staff BYOND Key: 1138

Game ID: bNr-bKBn (Not too sure, think this is it.)

Reason for complaint:

Alright... So... I hate making complaints and I don't do it often. But this was just either a Gross negligence to FearRP on Delta's side, or some kind of metahate fuck if I know.

So, lets set the mood. I'm a nice friendly Wizard, just got all research levels to level five, went around and said hello to a few people, end up being in the Armoury trying to ask the Warden something. He ends up saying I stole something and Security try and stop me, sadly I had a popped lung and needed to get to Medbay straight away, and hey the Security Officers let me run to Medbay and I thought that was the end of that. I'm laying down in the scanner with my satchel on the ground (In the satchel was the Nuke Disk which will explain the next part). Then a random Security Officer appeared and grabbed my satchel, naturaly I said to put it the fuck down, after about ten seconds of nothing, i shot him with my staff of Change, fearing the worst. Then all hell breaks loose. Another Detective runs up and starts shooting me, the now changed /monkey/ was pulling out his own weapon and trying to shoot me. Then something amazing happens. I start changing everyone, AND THEY DID NOT GIVE ONE SHIT. Changed into a Xeno? Kill the Wizard. Changed into a mindless monkey? Kill. CHANGED INTO THE VARUCA PET? Take the staff while the Wizard is down. Then a Chemist comes along and sprays something in my face and I just die. But hey, that's not really what the complaint was about. Now I understand that Delta went to get something to eat, which is why he did not see my A-help about the previous events. But what follows, is what he and I saw together. The Xenohunter just stands there and talks into the Radio. The changed Security Officer grabbed my Staff and changed into a Parrot ( That I understand, trying to use the staff to change it back.) but then another Detective took the staff, asked if he could press the button knowing full well it turned the other Officer into Parrot. He did it anyway and was turned into a Parrot. So right now on the Security Staff consists of a changed Tajaran Detective who seems down and not at all afraid that he is a cat. Two changed parrots and a Human Warden. And what did Delta do about all this? Whined about something in AOOC, giving some players a little slap on the wrist for encouraging the one Detective to turn into a Parrot.

Now, I do understand that there was a Staff Policy change allowing changed monsters to retain his Memories. But even then this is just a gross negligence. Because I could also ask the Question. Could Monkeys use guns? Why does this Detective want to kill me for changing his friend into a Monkey. Does the Person know he is a Monkey because he just pulled his Gun on me.

All in all, terrible FearRP and bad handling by Delta.

Evidence/logs/etc: (Don't have access to logs, would be nice if a Admin put some in)

Additional remarks: No.

[Garnascus]

I will take a more thorough look at this tomorrow, just been a bit busy. My initial thoughts are that based upon you being an intruder aboard the station who had at the very least committed grand theft i do not think it was out of line to attack you. Them being turned into animals does not suddenly make them passive towards you.

[Scheveningen]

So because I didn't immediately permaban non-wizards who used the wizard staff with its own attached mechanical consequences, you wrote a vitriolic complaint up to contest the decision I made in permitting things to stay IC? Because the individual(s) that baited other players to use the staff of change were spoken to and dealt with. I won't detail much on that further because that's no one's business and it was properly dealt with in a fashion that they won't do it again.

To my understanding. You stole from the general armory. Security chases you. You zap a security person because they were chasing you. You do this a second time and turn them into a xeno, and then they end up killing you to stop this.

You definitely had an unjust end coming. It is not as if the security force took you out of the round just because you showed up. You carried out a multitude of aggressive delinquent actions that resulted in you polymorphing crewmembers into an irreversible state. To which they took the opportunity to make their position have some degree of benefit by enacting equivalent justice on your person.

Fair was fair. Act like a terrible wizard, inflict terribleness onto the crew, and security is going to inflict terrible to you in kind. You have a right to complain about it but it doesn't make security wrong for responding according to how they're trained to deal with evil-doing antags.

[coolbc2000]

So because I didn't immediately permaban non-wizards who used the wizard staff with its own attached mechanical consequences, you wrote a vitriolic complaint up to contest the decision I made in permitting things to stay IC? Because the individual(s) that baited other players to use the staff of change were spoken to and dealt with. I won't detail much on that further because that's no one's business and it was properly dealt with in a fashion that they won't do it again.

 

You know Delta, there's one thing I've seen alot of, and that's you think that you're already Staff. Just seeing you how you type in other Complaints, a nice passive-aggressive attitude. It's a nice touch to your personality. And trust me, I'm not the only one who thinks that.

 

To my understanding. You stole from the general armory. Security chases you. You zap a security person because they were chasing you. You do this a second time and turn them into a xeno, and then they end up killing you to stop this.

 

Did you even bother to read all of it? Or just scan through it?

 

You definitely had an unjust end coming. It is not as if the security force took you out of the round just because you showed up. You carried out a multitude of aggressive delinquent actions that resulted in you polymorphing crewmembers into an irreversible state. To which they took the opportunity to make their position have some degree of benefit by enacting equivalent justice on your person.

 

Dear lord, this man just showed us amazing technological advancements and boosted our Research levels. Better fucking chase him even when he has a popped lung.

 

Fair was fair. Act like a terrible wizard, inflict terribleness onto the crew, and security is going to inflict terrible to you in kind. You have a right to complain about it but it doesn't make security wrong for responding according to how they're trained to deal with evil-doing antags.

 

Say you were just turned into a Monkey, no reason, this man just pointed a staff at you and boom, Monkey time. Since because of that Stupid policy change where you retain your memories, you still remember who you are, just feel alot different. Now. Do you:

A) Panic and distress that you were just turned into a fucking Monkey

Or do you?

B) Try to physicaly kill the man ( mind you kill the man who can change you back ) and just ignore changing into all these different forms.

This complaint is not even half of the stuff of what happend. People were hugging a Xeno Hunter. The powergaming Chemist that was using weapons to take me down.

[Scheveningen]

Correct me if I'm wrong but you didn't shoot an adminhelp a single time. You only really spoke in dsay and AOOC the entire time relating to those issues and we've no obligation to assist until you shoot an official adminhelp. In relation to that round, the only case of note I dealt with was one of the parrots baiting other crewmembers into using the staff of change, and that was because I was watching and saw them do that twice.

We cannot stop people from prematurely "doing dumb". They have to actually do something wrong to catch our attention.

 

B) Try to physicaly kill the man ( mind you kill the man who can change you back ) and just ignore changing into all these different forms.

 

Because you would've definitely done that when asked, although your behavior as an extremely aggressive antagonist has shown that course of action would show to be really uncharacteristic of your playstyle, right? You do know the staff of change is not a weapon and rather a form of utility, typically in the context of this server as being an interesting tool to generate roleplay with?

Shouldn't expect much when you zap folks around you over mild inconveniences. You irreversibly change them into monsters, Coolbc. How would you like it if someone turned you into a parrot and had no intention of turning you back for the rest of the round?

 

You know Delta, there's one thing I've seen alot of, and that's you think that you're already Staff. Just seeing you how you type in other Complaints, a nice passive-aggressive attitude. It's a nice touch to your personality. And trust me, I'm not the only one who thinks that.

 

This is an ironic statement in multiple facets, so consider: You are literally writing a staff complaint, I am trial staff until my time period ends and I'm re-evaluated for whether I should stay on, and if I end up wanting to stay on, in the end. I hold the right to defend my case. Unlike some people I won't say I'm sorry unless I have real reason to and I mean it.

And keep in mind no punishment was handed out directly to you as a result of your behavior, because it was all resolved justifiably in IC and I saw no need to meddle in current affairs up until one of the parrots were transform-baiting to create more parrots. They were warned, told to stop, so on, that was all I needed to do for a first-time violation case. You'll probably note the only time I have to ban someone is when a regular who should know the rules "just doesn't get it", or in the case of a griefer or ban evader doing something that heavily violates the rules in a manner that a regular wouldn't dare be caught doing without a good excuse.

And let me issue a piece of advice. Rather than filing a staff complaint that is liable to go nowhere because it has little foundation to form a basis off of, you should have either a.) adminhelped for staff involvement to officially voice you took issue with their actions rather than... not... doing so, or 2.) posted a player complaint to do more or less the same thing after-the-fact, if you did not like how staff made their final decision on-server.

[coolbc2000]

Correct me if I'm wrong but you didn't shoot an adminhelp a single time. You only really spoke in dsay and AOOC the entire time relating to those issues and we've no obligation to assist until you shoot an official adminhelp. In relation to that round, the only case of note I dealt with was one of the parrots baiting other crewmembers into using the staff of change, and that was because I was watching and saw them do that twice.

We cannot stop people from prematurely "doing dumb". They have to actually do something wrong to catch our attention.

 

Dear god Delta, I think I'd rather talk to a fucking wall. I don't think you read the fucking Complaint at all.

 

Now I understand that Delta went to get something to eat, which is why he did not see my A-help about the previous events.

 

 

B) Try to physicaly kill the man ( mind you kill the man who can change you back ) and just ignore changing into all these different forms.

 

Shouldn't expect much when you zap folks around you over mild inconveniences. You irreversibly change them into monsters, Coolbc. How would you like it if someone turned you into a parrot and had no intention of turning you back for the rest of the round?

 

So they go and straight-murderbone me, even when I'm the only one who could change them back?

 

You know Delta, there's one thing I've seen alot of, and that's you think that you're already Staff. Just seeing you how you type in other Complaints, a nice passive-aggressive attitude. It's a nice touch to your personality. And trust me, I'm not the only one who thinks that.

 

This is an ironic statement in multiple facets, so consider: You are literally writing a staff complaint, I am trial staff until my time period ends and I'm re-evaluated for whether I should stay on, and if I end up wanting to stay on, in the end. I hold the right to defend my case. Unlike some people I won't say I'm sorry unless I have real reason to and I mean it.

And keep in mind no punishment was handed out directly to you as a result of your behavior, because it was all resolved justifiably in IC and I saw no need to meddle in current affairs up until one of the parrots were transform-baiting to create more parrots. They were warned, told to stop, so on, that was all I needed to do for a first-time violation case. You'll probably note the only time I have to ban someone is when a regular who should know the rules "just doesn't get it", or in the case of a griefer or ban evader doing something that heavily violates the rules in a manner that a regular wouldn't dare be caught doing without a good excuse.

And let me issue a piece of advice. Rather than filing a staff complaint that is liable to go nowhere because it has little foundation to form a basis off of, you should have either a.) adminhelped for staff involvement to officially voice you took issue with their actions rather than... not... doing so, or 2.) posted a player complaint to do more or less the same thing after-the-fact, if you did not like how staff made their final decision on-server.

I see what you did there. There's that fucking condescending tone again, Jesus. I almost just want to scrap this Complaint so I don't have to see that "snarky" (Remember that time you kicked me from the Server for being "Snarky?" heard you got a nice slap on the wrist.) But then again, I should probably stop this before I also get a slap on the wrist

I did not want to make this Complaint at all, infact, I was going to drop it right after the rounded ended. But I was talking to a member of Staff about the Situation since it was all fucking retarded, and he suggested I make a Staff Complaint, so there you go.

Also, why did you not respond to my other Arguments? Seems a little unfair.

[Scheveningen]

Dear god Delta, I think I'd rather talk to a fucking wall. I don't think you read the fucking Complaint at all.

 

I have read it, but if venting makes you feel better, then okay.

 

So they go and straight-murderbone me, even when I'm the only one who could change them back?

 

OOCly speaking I believe the xenomorph said in LOOC they accidentally choked you to death without meaning to. So if anything they were trying to pin you down and evidently no other method of force was working, so they sicced the fruits of your own creations upon you, I figure. Bit of an "oops"? Nothing worth bwoinking about as these situations happen and I don't expect people to be reprimanded over them. There are way worse things.

 

I see what you did there. There's that fucking condescending tone again, Jesus. I almost just want to scrap this Complaint so I don't have to see that "snarky" (Remember that time you kicked me from the Server for being "Snarky?" heard you got a nice slap on the wrist.) But then again, I should probably stop this before I also get a slap on the wrist

I did not want to make this Complaint at all, infact, I was going to drop it right after the rounded ended. But I was talking to a member of Staff about the Situation since it was all fucking retarded, and he suggested I make a Staff Complaint, so there you go.

Also, why did you not respond to my other Arguments? Seems a little unfair.

 

I should correct you before you go onto another tangent again: You were booted from the server for abusing adminhelps and telling a staff member to "shut up" after having been told to not abuse adminhelps barring important issues or reports. Your attitude was rude and unbecoming before I had to tell you to not abuse adminhelps and after you told me to shut up.

And I didn't get a "slap on the wrist", for it, in fact, nor did any staff member take issue with me temporarily kicking you from the server. You may want to check your facts.

The staff member that you likely spoke to told you to take it to the forums because staff decisions on the server are final when relating to roleplay decisions being valid or not, until appealed. They effectively told you that if you wanted to see anything done about it you could try your luck at a complaint on the forums. Alternatively, you could have just gotten over it. Everyone has bad rounds and gets terribly unlucky and/or has an unrobust moment. It's not limited to anyone, and you shouldn't have a fit because you got killed by other individuals in a 2d spaceman game due to the tried and true butterfly effect. It happens. It's part of the game.

It's not as if I let a massive rule violation slide or something because you think I'm carrying a grudge against you. Might it be that it's pure coincidence that I'm usually the one around whenever you mess up, suppose it's pure luck. Still, let me know how the idea that I'm persecuting you works out in your head.

[coolbc2000]

Perhaps we should stop poking eachother with sticks and let another Staff member take care of this Complaint.

[Garnascus]

Sorry cool. i dont really find much issue with how this whole thing went down. You committed grand theft and infiltration at MINIMUM and once you started morphing people into other animals...you kinda made yourself "valid". We do not enforce a certain way for people to play once they are polymorphed so its completely reasonable for them to keep attacking you. That is all i think needs to be said unless i am missing something here?

[Shadow]

Didn't reply for two weeks.

Considering this resolved.

Locking and archiving.