Crozarius Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 BYOND Key: Crozarius Staff BYOND Key: Garnascus Game ID: bPr-a23g Reason for complaint: I think that the way Garn handled my adminhelp of Fernando Gonzales flashing, grabbing and biting me without saying anything or performing an emote went against the server's principles of High-RP and the purpose of an antagonist in the round. He told me that it did not matter that Fernando had made no meaningful RP interaction with me because the attack had not killed me. It was only when I pressed the issue that he agreed to "have a talk to" Resilynn, Fernando Gonzales' player. I was unhappy with this resolution, but willing to accept it. However, at the end of the round when I expressed my dissatisfaction with the proceedings, the person involved: Resilynn, demonstrated that he had absolutely zero remorse about the actions that he had taken, and parroted the exact same sentiment that Garn had expressed earlier. It's pretty obvious why I think that Garn never actually took any action against Resilynn, considering that they both seem to agree about the issue and that Resilynn was not remorseful, and never even apologised for what he did. Hell, both Garn and Resilynn continually DEFENDED his actions. On a server that advertises itself as High-RP, antagonists should be held to high standards of RP, as they are the primary driving force of RP behind most rounds on the server. Of course, I'm not so stupid as to believe that an antagonist should try and talk or emote in the middle of a high octane fight - That would be ridiculous. But in situations where the antagonist has all the power over their victim, they ABSOLUTELY should provide meaningful interaction, be it through emote or through conversation. The primary goal of antagonists is to DRIVE A STORY AND TO GENERATE INTERACTION. Garnascus did not uphold this in both the advice he provided to me in the admin help, or the action that he ultimately took regarding the matter. Also I'm sorry that I was a salty cunt after the round. I was angry and I apologise. I am not contesting that the attack itself didn't do very much damage - It knocked me down and darkened my vision, but that's about it - Hell, I was not even angry that he attacked me in the first place. I was angry that it was incredibly dissatisfying from a RP standpoint, and it was a part of a larger problem that round where I had been attacked and drank from by vampires three times with very little interaction, not to mention repeatedly vampflashed without warning or again - any interaction. Evidence/logs/etc: These logs have been abridged for clarity. I only included posts from Garn, Resilynn and myself that were directly relevant to the argument. I might have accidentally missed some though. If I have, please bring it up. Game ID bPr-a23g You fail to pick anything up with the trash bag. You put the Cheesie Honkers into the satchel. You put Scaredy's Private Reserve Beef Jerky into the satchel. You put Scaredy's Private Reserve Beef Jerky into the satchel. You put Scaredy's Private Reserve Beef Jerky into the satchel. You empty the bag. You place the Cheesie Honkers into the the disposal unit. Fernando Gonzales's eyes emit a blinding flash! You are blinded by Fernando Gonzales's glare! Fernando Gonzales has grabbed Sah Asehlkr passively! Fernando Gonzales pins Sah Asehlkr down to the ground (now hands)! Fernando Gonzales bites Sah Asehlkr's neck! You are unable to resist or even move. Your mind blanks as you're being fed upon. Sah Asehlkr: Dude Sah Asehlkr: Actually fuck off Sah Asehlkr: This is a RP server Sah Asehlkr: Fucking act like it You feel woosey Fernando Gonzales: It's cool, I won't kill you. And I've RP'd the whole time You remember nothing about being fed upon. Instead, you simply remember having a pleasant encounter with Fernando Gonzales. PM to-Staff : This fernando dude just vamp flashed, grabbed and sucked me without a single word or emote. I'm sick of the shitty Rp from these vampires this round. Pls do something Fernando Gonzales whispers. Your adminhelp will be tended by garnascus. Please allow the staff member a minute or two to write up a response. -- Click the Head Admin's name to reply -- [Head Admin PM] Garnascus: well...you arent dead to Garnascus: It's piss poor RP to Garnascus: Terrible [Head Admin PM] Garnascus: its not really gank or anything if he only takes a little blood to Garnascus: Like, if I walk up to him right now and started harm punching him, left him within an inch of his life, and then left. Oh, it's fine because he's not dead? to Garnascus: He's antagging with NO RP or interaction. Boring as fuck [Head Admin PM] Garnascus: potentially, ill speak with him. you cant really expect much in the way of interaction if a vamp needs a little blood from you though to Garnascus: He sucked so much that my vision is dark. [Head Admin PM] Garnascus: and you will live. go eat some food to help replenish your blood. i will speak to the vamp The Vampires were: Fernando Gonzales (Resilynn) as a Medical Doctor (fled the station) Crozarius: Oh yeah, so great. Vampires just running up to people, flashing, drinking and then running off without any RP or talking. Crozarius: Such a good round Resilynn: I RPed with a ton of peole. Resilynn: I did that entire blood drive, I formed friendships and protected people, I did negotations... Garnascus: not enough RP apparently Crozarius: REsilynn, you walked up to me and drank wordlessly. Resilynn: And killed you? Crozarius: And garn you were NOT much better Garnascus: HE ONLY TOOK A LITTLE BLOOD Resilynn: Or was I already established as a vampire, openly. Crozarius: OH yeah, because if they don't die you don't need AAAAAAAAANY RP AT ALL Crozarius: How fucking silly of me Garnascus: stop saying "wordlessly" jesus Crozarius: Man, for a second I thought that this was a HIGH RP SERVER Resilynn: Half the station was already turned. Garnascus: lets be nice Resilynn: Everyone knew who and what I was. Man up. Deal with it. Move on. Crozarius: It just seems like this server has very, very low standards for RP, which I find strange in a place that advertises itself as HRP Crozarius: I've been flat out told by a Head Admin that because an antagonist didn't kill me, they didn't need to do any RP. Resilynn: Listen. The guy who has openly killed several people, and is openly drinking from people. Resilynn: Isn't going to realistically stop to have a conversation with you anymore. Garnascus: thats actually not what i said or meant croz Crozarius: And I was told by that same admin that they'd talk to the person involved, and that person then later bought the exact same attitude to OOC that "lol w/e i didn't kill you so i didn't need to RP" Crozarius: So you didn't even reprimand him, you just said you'd chat with him and then did nothing Crozarius: It doesn't have to be a conversation. Emote. Anything, god. Crozarius: Okay Garn I'll keep it in mind. As long as you only deal 20 points of damage you can just do whatever Garnascus: hes salty Crozarius: Garn, what you don't seem to understand is that I play a character who *thrives* on being put in shitty situations, getting hurt and dying - In terms of RP. I *WANT* to be attacked, maimed, killed, whatever. What I DON'T want is for any of those things to happen in a way that completely invalidates everything I'm trying to do - Have a meaningful RP experience with an antagonist. Instead it boils down to the fact that my character cannot fight, and that my only outlet is RP, because this is a HRP server Garnascus: mate i get you're upset but your perspective is so skewed here Garnascus: no matter what i say you will think you're right Garnascus: and you're not Crozarius: What? I'm wrong because I want to RP on the HRP server? What kind of crazy town is this? Garnascus: thats not why i think you're wrong Garnascus: but any further discussion here is moot. you can always make a complaint Crozarius: I'm wrong because I expect that we hold antagonists to a high standard of RP to provide the driving force of RP in most rounds? Garnascus: come on man.... Crozarius: I have made a complaint in adminhelp, and """""""Action"""""""" was taken that turned out to be not even a talking to, judging by the tone of the culprit in OOC at the end of the match. Action has already been taken, so ... Garnascus: mate, enough. Additional remarks: Again, I'm very sorry about how rude I was in LOOC and OOC. I have been very frustrated and I'm working on it.
Garnascus Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 My reasoning is pretty simple. A vampire needs blood to do anything. There is an "emote" of him sinking his fangs into you when he does it. Generally a vampire needs to lure someone secluded. That doesn't need to happen when the vampire is in complete control of the station. He took a little of your blood and then went on his way. Thats really as far as that particular interaction needed to go and its super silly to decry "heavy RP failings" because i didn't have an issue with him doing it. Also the antag did actually drive a story. You wouldnt know that though because you only seem interested in YOUR interaction.
Crozarius Posted July 13, 2017 Author Posted July 13, 2017 My reasoning is pretty simple. A vampire needs blood to do anything. There is an "emote" of him sinking his fangs into you when he does it. Generally a vampire needs to lure someone secluded. That doesn't need to happen when the vampire is in complete control of the station. He took a little of your blood and then went on his way. Thats really as far as that particular interaction needed to go and its super silly to decry "heavy RP failings" because i didn't have an issue with him doing it. Also the antag did actually drive a story. You wouldnt know that though because you only seem interested in YOUR interaction. The concept that all an antagonist needs to do is provide RP for only some of the people that they interact with is patently absurd. It's a slippery slope, and where is the limit? If I provide excellent RP with a small clique of friends and then go on a spree that wounds everyone else on the station with no other interaction than that, is that acceptable? If I provide excellent RP with three people, then just go randomly attacking people? Or if I RP with just one person, then go gank. This was a situation where the Vampire had all of the power. Not only did he have a mechanical advantage over me (Flash & Pin), but he, as you say, controlled the station. At no point in the entire proceedings was he in any danger or need to flee. He was in complete control of the situation. However, he did not do anything interesting, he didn't do any interaction, RP, or say anything. Hell, that was all I needed to get me invested in the round, because I was a latejoiner and I was still trying to figure out what I was going to do about all this considering I wasn't sure what had happened before my arrival. But instead of doing that, this person just used me as a quick way to gather more mechanical advantage and then left without a word. Also, think about this from the RP standpoint. With a Vampire, after they SUCC you, you have no memory of the incident. Therefore, all of that FUN, ENGAGING RP has to happen - BEFORE the drinking. When he walks right up to me and drinks without a word and then leaves, it is INCREDIBLY dissatisfying from an RP standpoint. I had no chance to react or provide input to what's happening, he didn't give me anything to work off, and then when he's finished - Poof! You don't remember anything sucker! It's stupid and takes all of the immulsions straight out of you.
Garnascus Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Yeah you're blowing this situation way out of proportion and i think you're being incredibly unreasonable. I have made my case. Itzal can weigh in.
Shadow Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 After reading this complaint and the logs of this situation I have to agree with garns reasoning. He took some of your blood, thats it. He didn't kill or harm you in any other way and both of you continued to play normally afterwards. We are not forcing antags to emote a paragraph before doing something like this.
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