Rambo Janitor in Nuclear

[PsychoBear]

BYOND Key:PsychoBear

Player Byond Key:No idea, the character was Santos Estrada, Janitor. I was told I wouldn't need the player name to file a report.

Reason for complaint: Fucker went Rambo with space cleaner granades in a Stein round, ended up getting a hostage shot and just generally fucking up the round.

[Guest]

Their ckey was EvilBrage if my memory serves me correctly from the round before.

[EvilBrage]

Yeah, okay.

1. You were standing in the middle of a hallway telling everyone who crossed your path to OMG GET DOWN ON THE GROUND. Not exactly a hostage taker's greatest moment.

2. Compared to the security forces who were firing lasers, throwing in a cleaning grenade to cause you some small impediment is hardly "going rambo." If I had taken your gun while you were down and blasted you in the face point blank, then yes, that would be "rambo."

If you could articulate a complaint beyond babbling about how terrible I am, that would be great.

[kingmatt9]

I distinctly remember him having a Nuke op's headset, and saying his arm was hurt and that he needed to clean.

[josh1133]

I like Barge, so Im not really pushing for like..a punishment against him but let me just say this:

Fuck this round. Let me just make a nice list of points on why this round has made me think "Fuck trying to RP on nuke, why not just rush the disc and blow these dirty dirty fucks up"

1) 1 hour 45 minutes of prep time was spent getting every last detail for this plan set. How long were we on the station before things went to shit? Ten minutes. Even less if you consider the moment our two "CC" reps teleported onto the bridge the Janitor screamed "Bad men! Bad bad bad men!"

2) I like to question why the jantior screamed out "Bad men" both were wearing the usual CC uniform, now had he shouted out "Strange men" or "Men just teleported on the bridge, help!" that is one thing, but it was immediately "BAD!", but you know things can be assumed and I can't say I wouldn't do the same.

3) One of my personal favorites, so we fake a message over the command channel, the AI and the Captain hear this message and the Captain tells us:

"Permission granted to board"

So we send our two reps in, and things are going well until the HOS who is played by Xander joins. What went wrong you may ask? How about the AI going right to the HOS and saying "There are two intruders on the bridge" and making it sound like we didn't get the Captains permission to be there. Suddenly the bridge is surrounded and our two CC officials have guns in their faces.

4) From the CC perspective, I have no idea, maybe the AI had a right to say that because maybe one of them fucked up and said something stupid, pulled out a gun, whatever. Overall, the situation turned to shit and Me ((Stein)) and the two others teleported in. We were sent to the wrong place so we had to fight our way to the bridge, once arriving we took control of a hallway. Low and behold this would be our greatest mistake because fuck everyone.

First we ran into Dorian Bonds, who with three guns pointed at him, laid on the ground. We then took a cadet hostage and set them in the position where we could fire upon them if needed, fire upon any doors of anyone trying to rescuse them, and take cover ourselves. A shitty situation that quickly turned into our favor. Why do I say that? Because being left alone with two hostages and being able to fight off the captain and two sec guards (( with a assist from the janitor and his cleaning grenades knocking them down)), the detective and another security guard, I was doing pretty well. Even got them to waste a flash grenade on me.

Now, I see the Janitor and I scream for him to get down. He just screamed "I need to clean" and I thought "Wow, I should really kill this player for ignoring my request, but I dont want to be a dick and ruin their RP, so I wont" and instead, they got away. I should have killed them.

Why? Because a few moments later, the gun fight with the detective and a sec guard breaks out, and its interrupted by two-three cleaning grenades being thrown into the mix. I slip and fall, and I see the janitor run past Sec, dragging one of my fellow nuke ops who is in cuffs behind him. He runs up, stops.

Lights me on fire.

and runs. Getting up I ran to the pool and in rage started bitching in the OOC. That was probably wrong of me but I eventually contacted Admins and got a heal for the fucking gank.

From there, I lost my weapons and one of my guns, which leaves me with three shots of a energy carbine. I find a assistant and attempt to take me hostage, and he gets on the ground. I think "Wow, maybe this will finally work out for me" and while I have a gun pointed at him, he apparently found my other gun, got up, shot me a few times, then taunted me while Sec arrived. I ran out of ammo at this point and ran, and escaped into Maintenance.

Chapter 5: "Fuck off"

Now I'm in maintence, breaking all the windows as to create lack of air and seal off part of the station. I hear a rumble, and low and behold king matt fucking blew up our entire fucking nuke team who was inches away from the fax machine, our goal from the beginning. A few moments later, my friendly PAI is killed, leaving poor Stein alone on the station. I have a little good Rp with a few of them, I like to say I enjoyed the small talk I had with both Houssam and Mason.

Eventually, I make my way to the ERT shuttle, thinking I can steal it. Oh, wait, I find out I cant because I dont have my /fucking/ tools anymore as they were lost when the /fucking janitor set me on fucking fire/. Angry, I steal a body bag and leave, ditching my gear and hiding myself in the body bag. From there its the waiting game, and I am found by Susan Greenwood. She agrees to help me and drags me to escape, leaving me there to come and get me later. Sadly, it seems God/Karma/Buddah/ whatever you believe decided "Fuck Josh" and a huge surge of people returned from the science outpost. They discovered me, and a ERT trooper walks in. They cover for me, I guess they felt bad for me and I appreciate that. I walk in the middle of their crowd, and the only thing making me really stand out is the lack of shoes. Suddenly I hear the ERT Trooper shout out "You!"

Because nothing is going right today, I sigh in defeat and make my way over. He ask's me where my shoes went, I said I went SSD in the chaos and woke up on the ground, no shoes and My ID was gone, but Zach (( one of the people helping me)) had gotten it for me. He ask to see it, and Zach gives me his ID by mistake. After explaining this to the trooper, I give him the ID of a dead engineer, Xiulle. I'm given a pair of boots by someone and the ERT Soldier goes

"You look good, alright you can go"

"Wait"

"Come with me"

At this point, I had given up any hope so I walked over. They start questioning me, and start doing a background check. They even use the Medical hud to match my face to Xiulle's picture, despite about 5 members of crew telling them I am the engineer. Funny thing, the most I saw of other people being searched was the CE's helmet being forced off before he was let go. I was the /only/ person whose ID was questioned at all, and who was having a entire background check done on them. Eventually they go "You don't have any security records" and one even said to me, and this was my favorite part. "We don't have a Stein in the medical records", not only did I ditch my Stein ID and PDA, there was nothing to tell them that I was Stein. They asked me about the hair and the mechanical limb, I explained I dyed it and got it cut, and had recently lost the hand and records must not have been updated. But despite witnesses and all that shit, Im taken in because my security record doesn't exist and I am arrested for terrorist. I started questioning the ERT in LOOC along with Jennalele about how they are arresting me solely on the fact that I had no record. I was met with responses of "They have pictures on the ID's" and that "Witnesses don't matter when you don't have records". Thing is? Why the fuck did I have a entire background check done on me. They told me they were "Checking everyone who walked into Escape". So you are telling me, of the...thirty people in escape already, when I walked in with about 9 others, they had scanned all their faces, made sure every person in that group had both medical and Security records, matched the description of those records, and let them go while spotting me out of the middle of the crowd?

Here is my questions at this point:

Why the fuck did the AI tell the fucking HOS there were intruders on the bridge after hearing we had permission to be there?

Why the fuck did the Janitor run up and set me on fucking fire while dragging one of my operatives away never to be fucking seen again?

Why the fuck did King matt blow up our entire Nuke team?

Why the fuck did the ERT team choose me out of the crowd to do a entire background check on despite numerous witnesses claiming I was him?

And if it was the picture thing, why have I never seen any other antags arrested when they pose as someone else (( because I have seen Antags like Nuke ops steal Crew's ID's and they never had this bullshit with a picture that I never heard of being on a ID being the reason they were arrested)),

If you were able to scan everyone in escape, how did you pick me out of a crowd of eight or nine so quickly?

Why was I, from what I saw and what a few others saw, the only one who was asked to give a ERT their ID?

Why was the ID I gave them looked over so much, while everyone else in the group who was with me allowed to keep looking without having to even show their ID?

Why was I quizzed so much on the person I claimed to be while, yet again, no one else in my group was quizzed?

Because at the end of the day, I think its all bullshit. I'm tired of trying to do creative shit so people can at least have a interesting time in Nuke, from now on? Ill just fucking blow up all of Sec, Ill fucking blow up Cargo. Then Ill lead the entire team in and with no RP we will just fucking shoot anyone we come across. Why? Because every time I try to RP something, bullshit happens.

I been Sec during a nuke round and the fucking meta is ridiculous, at this point as a joke during Nuke rounds I start fucking with shit just to have Sec freak out and have three armed guards rushed to arrivals over a open locker. (( True story))

Every time something good happens in Nuke, someone takes a fucking shit on us. I had one of the best Rp's with Imraj where he was trying to talk Winston down from shooting himself after Winston was revealed as a Traitor, and all of a sudden sec rushes in, ignoring my gun and ignorning Imraj and beats me down with a stun baton, No RP.

I seen entire Nuke teams wiped out by Sec running in with stun batons and just simply ignoring the guns they have pointed at them to be a hero.

I seen Sec arm up over a open locker because they were not sure who opened that locker.

I see civilians scream that someone isn't on the fucking manifest before we even start any trouble.

I am /tired/ of the bullshit. So people want to be fucking dick's and just think of themselves, think only about winning instead of fucking Roleplay. Then I will fucking start playing to win. I will make people /fucking hate nuke/ even more then they do now. Every fucking mission will be blow the fucking armory, blow cargo, take over the AI, hold station hostage. I'll run that shit like a military fucking drill, and I will have Stein fucking shit talk every single fucking character until you all want to kill me OOC.

Because at this point, why should we put so much fucking effort into a plan when we are just going to get ganked, rambo'd and have people meta against us.

Edit: Can you tell Im a bit frustrated?

Edited January 3, 2015 by Guest

[EvilBrage]

2) I like to question why the jantior screamed out "Bad men" both were wearing the usual CC uniform, now had he shouted out "Strange men" or "Men just teleported on the bridge, help!" that is one thing, but it was immediately "BAD!", but you know things can be assumed and I can't say I wouldn't do the same.

 

That was kind of just his "thing." Anyone who does something they're not supposed to is a bad man. The engineer who kept yelling at him to give the mangled gloves he found on the ground? He was a baaaad man. Doctor locked him in the surgery freezer? Baaaad man. People in the bridge with combat gloves turning off the power? Baaaad men.

And that 'setting you on fire' thing was an overcharged flash that I discovered in that exact moment set people on fire. I had it in my pocket because I'd been wondering why in the world you can modify flashes, and so I just kind of used it on impulse. Mind - it did a pretty sizable chunk of damage to me too.

In any case, this is why I don't like nuke rounds to begin with. It's not that it's impossible to play and have everyone involved in the fun, it's that it's really fucking hard if things don't go exactly according to plan (hint: they won't.) We can't assume people are going to be reasonable because, as you said, security likes to rush in waving batons and tasers. We have to go to lengths to put ourselves in situations where people can cool their heels and actually enjoy a moment to chat. Until we get some sort of better hostage system in place (doubtful) then a hostage scenario short of a large-scale bomb threat won't exactly work. The closest thing I can figure in a nuke round is to have the nuke team impersonate the crew and wipe out the manifest so no one can SAY there's no crew. Of course, that means getting on the bridge is going to be difficult unless someone's impersonating a head of staff, which is significantly more difficult than impersonating an assistant or an engineer.

I can't help but feel like part of this is also falling on the heads of security and the captains in such a scenario. If these guys really do rush in without a word, someone should say something to their superiors. If you work for a bank, they actually instruct you to meet the robber's demands - if you play hero, even if you get the bad guy, you get fired. I'd like to see an atmosphere like that here as well, or something that will break the tension in every player's mind.

"Here we go, another nuke round."

[josh1133]

2) I like to question why the jantior screamed out "Bad men" both were wearing the usual CC uniform, now had he shouted out "Strange men" or "Men just teleported on the bridge, help!" that is one thing, but it was immediately "BAD!", but you know things can be assumed and I can't say I wouldn't do the same.

 

That was kind of just his "thing." Anyone who does something they're not supposed to is a bad man. The engineer who kept yelling at him to give the mangled gloves he found on the ground? He was a baaaad man. Doctor locked him in the surgery freezer? Baaaad man. People in the bridge with combat gloves turning off the power? Baaaad men.

And that 'setting you on fire' thing was an overcharged flash that I discovered in that exact moment set people on fire. I had it in my pocket because I'd been wondering why in the world you can modify flashes, and so I just kind of used it on impulse. Mind - it did a pretty sizable chunk of damage to me too.

In any case, this is why I don't like nuke rounds to begin with. It's not that it's impossible to play and have everyone involved in the fun, it's that it's really fucking hard if things don't go exactly according to plan (hint: they won't.) We can't assume people are going to be reasonable because, as you said, security likes to rush in waving batons and tasers. We have to go to lengths to put ourselves in situations where people can cool their heels and actually enjoy a moment to chat. Until we get some sort of better hostage system in place (doubtful) then a hostage scenario short of a large-scale bomb threat won't exactly work. The closest thing I can figure in a nuke round is to have the nuke team impersonate the crew and wipe out the manifest so no one can SAY there's no crew. Of course, that means getting on the bridge is going to be difficult unless someone's impersonating a head of staff, which is significantly more difficult than impersonating an assistant or an engineer.

I can't help but feel like part of this is also falling on the heads of security and the captains in such a scenario. If these guys really do rush in without a word, someone should say something to their superiors. If you work for a bank, they actually instruct you to meet the robber's demands - if you play hero, even if you get the bad guy, you get fired. I'd like to see an atmosphere like that here as well, or something that will break the tension in every player's mind.

"Here we go, another nuke round."

 

Im just going to say that I truly appreciate this answer, as all my questions were answered involving the Janitor. I have to agree though, everyone want's to be a hero or wants to win. Until we get a hostage system or people understand the consequences of their actions, I have come to the conclusion that my method of "Killing this person would be bad RP, so I will let them live despite them causing me problems" is no longer the case.

I mean in that round alone Stein was:

Set on Fire

Shot with both lasers and regular bullets

Stabbed

sucked out into space with a bad suit

Starving

But all I did was go for the injury, because it was better for the RP. At this point, I think the only answer is that if Sec and civilians want to try and be a hero, want their picture in the paper and want all the fame that comes with stopping terrorist, then, we, as terrorist should respond as many terrorist would instead of thinking about the player on the other side (( Who is clearly not thinking about us as players), and Blow their fucking brains out.

At this point, I think I'm speaking for those who usually play Nuke ops not to win, but to create interesting RP. We are tired of the meta. We are tired of the wannabe hero. We are tired of putting all this effort in just to get fucked when step 1 of the 9 step plan happens. From now I, I think when we see a sec officer, we shoot to kill. When we see a head, shoot to kill. Civilians? Hostages, meat shields. This is the only solution I can think of unless we get a better hostage system, is that we must act with the same amount of force we have been receiving. I just simply see no other option we can do unless we want to keep taking 2 hours to plan something that is new and original only to be fucked ten minutes into the plan because someone "Has a feeling" or someone "Saw something suspicious".

[Chaznoodles]

This is one of the prime reasons why you don't plan ahead of getting to the station. When it goes wrong - as it definitely will - complaining happens. As a NukeOps, you should be ready to adapt to every single situation, really.

Also, a big yes to parts of the above. If someone is trying to be a hero, or not doing what you're telling them to, blow their brains out. You've given them their chance, and it's a bit ridiculous to not be able to back your orders up with some force.

[Skull132]

As a point, if the janitor stumbled onto a confrontation, I have no issues with him tossing a cleaner grenade or two at them.

But at that point, he should probably just use the distraction to run the fuck away, instead of getting in close and personal, flashing them and removing their headset. The former is self-preservation. The latter is idiocity which should be punished by death, but given the circumstances, was not (Rarely is, but it can happen, when people try to robust the nuke team and the nuke team just steamrolls over all of them because they were stupid).

[Guest]

Just to point out, when I heard there were unknown personnel in the bridge, I did have Officers, who did not havr anything beside their standard kits, surround the bridge, no weapons were out, not even my own. What tipped us off was the mere plot holes in their alibi and their outright refusal to allow a search. In the end, I decided not to search them becausr Sound Scopes told us not to in LOOC. Everything was fine from the CCRep perspective, I was actually about to clear them for movement around the station until the AI reported there were two new intruders shooting crew down, which is when I ran out of there

[EvilBrage]

But at that point, he should probably just use the distraction to run the fuck away, instead of getting in close and personal, flashing them and removing their headset. The former is self-preservation. The latter is idiocity which should be punished by death, but given the circumstances, was not (Rarely is, but it can happen, when people try to robust the nuke team and the nuke team just steamrolls over all of them because they were stupid).

Two different instances - the man whose headset was taken was yelling for assistance from the man who was later on fire, which is what prompted the removal of the headset in the first place.

[Valkrae]

Is this thread resolved, or is there further discussion to be had on the matter?

[Doomberg]

Jenna had a word with Brage. I'll mark this as resolved. If the originator wishes to contest this, they're free to PM myself or Jennalele.

Locking and archiving.