[Accepted] Plahunter101 Ban appeal

[Theplahunter]

BYOND Key: Plahunter101

Total Ban Length: Permanent

Banning staff member's Key: Skull132

Reason of Ban: Calling a player in LOOC a cunt during parole, along with plenty of toxic behavior and other rule breaks that I cannot recall due to the length of the ban.

Reason for Appeal: Hello, for those that remember me, I am plahunter. I was quite a pain in the ass for the staff from 2015 to 2016, before I was banned for my toxic behavior. It's been about two years, and I would like to return. My actions were reprehensible and needless, and I still feel remorse for those actions due to my immature and childish behavior. I would like to come back, because I continue to remember fond memories of playing with the people on station and roleplaying with them, developing my character and forming well formed bonds. I hope you consider this, and I thank you.

I now use a different byond ID, SovietCyanide, which is banned by the auto ban system and it is the main account I use.

And as a personal message, I apologize to anybody in this community still here from my antics who I antagonized, mistreated, and harassed.

[Azande]

Weren't you Hunter Robinson, aka the guy that made like a recording of you crying begging to be unbanned or something...? Weren't you also couldn't appeal...?

I'm all for second chances however.

[Theplahunter]

Yes that was me, I do not recall being unable to appeal but I do believe it has been quite some time and I would like to return so I hope the chance is given despite the prior verdict due to time.

Also it'd technically be the 3rd chance, I was a young child and although that does not excuse my behavior I would like to return. I was a dumb child who acted out like a fool and had an extreme holier-than-thou my shit didn't stink attitude. My actions were extremely offensive and not fitting of a member of the community, but I personally believe I have matured and do wish to return a reformed person who would like to make the experience of everyone on station more entertaining.

(Also that video was extremely cringey and an act, sadly it was a way for me to try and manipulate my way back in which was disgusting and absurd. I was trying to manipulate the heart strings of the community and it was more just... embarassing to myself. And I apologize for that also.)

[Skull132]

The amusing thing is that in your case, there's actually a small chance you grew up and matured. Considering your age 2 - 3 years ago.

As said, though, I'm going on a two day trip and won't be dealing with this until I get back. Unless GarnAbo want to take over. In the mean time. Input directly related to the ban or banned individual, or from involved parties is welcome. Everyone else, hold your dicks and don't turn this into a meme-fest.

Also, it would really help if you were able to cite a server you've played on in the past year or so. Just for the sake of seeing how you've conducted yourself elsewhere.

[Scheveningen]

Entertaining the idea of unbanning this individual may prove to be a poor display of judgement, considering they were either permabanned twice already or the appeal to this permaban failed twice already, I can't necessarily recall which it is.

Having checked now, actually, I was right initially. That's unfortunate.

Most people who get their permaban lifted once recede from breaking rules at all, knowing when the second comes they have no excuse, and that people don't care for their excuse after the second permaban happens.

Expanding on that, unless you were explicitly caught in some form of deception it probably helps your case better if you didn't just say anything of the sort like, "I was trying to be deceptive" like that excuses how embarrassing that was to begin with. You put a lot of effort into that, and that was quite sad.

Then that hilarious apology video went up, which, as you detailed with unnecessary amounts of honesty, was apparently made to attempt to manipulate emotions of other community members to your own benefit and to buy sympathy.

I like what Frances said in your last failed appeal, something about how a cocaine addict who used to play on this server managed to recover in a shorter timelapse than 8 months to correct their own lifestyle and hopefully dodge a metaphorical bullet in the same sense, something that requires immense strength of character and pure will to overcome. Meanwhile, in the timeframe of a year you seemed to have difficulties overcoming your own personal issues with immaturity and going out of your way to target/shame specific individuals in the community for whatever reason you had.

During your third ban appeal, I remember a particular familiarity in absolutely regretting having been the first person to suggest you be given a chance after your second permanent ban. A case like that in addition to some other cases I misplaced trust and personal investment in, has done quite the number in inching me closer to unhealthy cynicism each time a person promises they'll improve and instead disappoint in not just subtle and mild ways, but fantastical and strikingly memorable ways that I won't soon forget.

Sort of why I'm very hesitant to support paroles anymore, either when I was staff and also currently. When looking into whether people really deserve them I just have to reflect for a moment on what they did to get their proverbial administrative shit kicked in in the first place and base judgement off of the initial severity, counter-weigh the potential risk, etc. A lot of autistic thought processes that people would say I'm overthinking, but I like to think overthinking things is better than "being open-minded" when some dude who's been permabanned twice now is asking people to do him a favor, after some individuals already did him one in getting the first one lifted.

How many times do you think individuals need convincing that you need a third, fourth or fifth chance, exactly?

This appeal bugs me even though it really, really shouldn't. I'll say that I care enough to posit that if there was a better reaction to this thread than what I'm currently cursing this thread with, it'd be that if a head admin were to immediately follow up this post with a response somewhat close to "Appeal denied", that would be an interesting prediction to say the least but staff SOP has changed a bit to entertain these kinds of discussions even when they really really shouldn't for outlier cases like this one. I am not a prophet, of course.

Might want to point to one case some of the older community members would be more familiar with, what with how Mirkiolio was basically to be treated under the premise of, "Even if he tries to appeal, we're not considering it." Considering the amount of shit he brought to the server, and notably comparing how you brought just the same amount to only a mildly different degree, I fail to see why the decision would change.

[Theplahunter]

The amusing thing is that in your case, there's actually a small chance you grew up and matured. Considering your age 2 - 3 years ago.

As said, though, I'm going on a two day trip and won't be dealing with this until I get back. Unless GarnAbo want to take over. In the mean time. Input directly related to the ban or banned individual, or from involved parties is welcome. Everyone else, hold your dicks and don't turn this into a meme-fest.

Also, it would really help if you were able to cite a server you've played on in the past year or so. Just for the sake of seeing how you've conducted yourself elsewhere.

 

I have been un-banned on bay and have been playing there recently (in the past week) after taking an overall break from Bay when I played for a few months over the summer of 2017, which I had no issues there, and take this one with a grain of salt, but Colonial Marines. Where I have also not been punished there and remain a member. I have also been working on expanding and re-vamping the lore on Bay, which is known by the loremin there (albeit the project was a very recent start and I only have part of one planet finished.)

 

Entertaining the idea of unbanning this individual may prove to be a poor display of judgement, considering they were either permabanned twice already or the appeal to this permaban failed twice already, I can't necessarily recall which it is.

Having checked now, actually, I was right initially. That's unfortunate.

Most people who get their permaban lifted once recede from breaking rules at all, knowing when the second comes they have no excuse, and that people don't care for their excuse after the second permaban happens.

Expanding on that, unless you were explicitly caught in some form of deception it probably helps your case better if you didn't just say anything of the sort like, "I was trying to be deceptive" like that excuses how embarrassing that was to begin with. You put a lot of effort into that, and that was quite sad.

Then that hilarious apology video went up, which, as you detailed with unnecessary amounts of honesty, was apparently made to attempt to manipulate emotions of other community members to your own benefit and to buy sympathy.

I like what Frances said in your last failed appeal, something about how a cocaine addict who used to play on this server managed to recover in a shorter timelapse than 8 months to correct their own lifestyle and hopefully dodge a metaphorical bullet in the same sense, something that requires immense strength of character and pure will to overcome. Meanwhile, in the timeframe of a year you seemed to have difficulties overcoming your own personal issues with immaturity and going out of your way to target/shame specific individuals in the community for whatever reason you had.

During your third ban appeal, I remember a particular familiarity in absolutely regretting having been the first person to suggest you be given a chance after your second permanent ban. A case like that in addition to some other cases I misplaced trust and personal investment in, has done quite the number in inching me closer to unhealthy cynicism each time a person promises they'll improve and instead disappoint in not just subtle and mild ways, but fantastical and strikingly memorable ways that I won't soon forget.

Sort of why I'm very hesitant to support paroles anymore, either when I was staff and also currently. When looking into whether people really deserve them I just have to reflect for a moment on what they did to get their proverbial administrative shit kicked in in the first place and base judgement off of the initial severity, counter-weigh the potential risk, etc. A lot of autistic thought processes that people would say I'm overthinking, but I like to think overthinking things is better than "being open-minded" when some dude who's been permabanned twice now is asking people to do him a favor, after some individuals already did him one in getting the first one lifted.

How many times do you think individuals need convincing that you need a third, fourth or fifth chance, exactly?

This appeal bugs me even though it really, really shouldn't. I'll say that I care enough to posit that if there was a better reaction to this thread than what I'm currently cursing this thread with, it'd be that if a head admin were to immediately follow up this post with a response somewhat close to "Appeal denied", that would be an interesting prediction to say the least but staff SOP has changed a bit to entertain these kinds of discussions even when they really really shouldn't for outlier cases like this one. I am not a prophet, of course.

Might want to point to one case some of the older community members would be more familiar with, what with how Mirkiolio was basically to be treated under the premise of, "Even if he tries to appeal, we're not considering it." Considering the amount of shit he brought to the server, and notably comparing how you brought just the same amount to only a mildly different degree, I fail to see why the decision would change.

 

You have made valid points and I will not deny it is only my word that I have changed for the better. I have already attempted these ban appeals before, and that is why I am coming forward and being 100% honest in that it was just an attempt at manipulation because it was distasteful and keeping that lie for it to only be discovered later would mean this appeal is also based on a lie. But I have had two years to think on this and I still do miss Aurora, and I desire to come back reformed and able to provide a proper experience. Again it is only my word, and it does not mean much, but I am deeply sorry for my actions and do not blame any staff if they deny this appeal, and I will hold no grudges. I just want to come back and enjoy myself on the server I had fond memories on, and actually be productive and kind instead of a toxic hindrance.

It is also true in the year time frame earlier I continued to be a terrible person and did not learn, but it was for personal home reasons I will not disclose. All I can say for this is I am sorry for all the trouble and horrible things I caused, and I take full responsibility for all of them. My actions were my own, and you are in the right to doubt my claim but it is all I have in this appeal. And my honesty in admitting the video was a sham. I was young, edgy, and unstable, but I personally believe I have changed for the better and would like to return.

[Skull132]

Apologies for the delay, I got side-tracked with the update.

I asked for information regarding you from the staff of other servers and got one response, which I'm getting further details on. We'll see how this pans out once they get back to me.

[Scheveningen]

You have made valid points and I will not deny it is only my word that I have changed for the better. I have already attempted these ban appeals before, and that is why I am coming forward and being 100% honest in that it was just an attempt at manipulation because it was distasteful and keeping that lie for it to only be discovered later would mean this appeal is also based on a lie. But I have had two years to think on this and I still do miss Aurora, and I desire to come back reformed and able to provide a proper experience. Again it is only my word, and it does not mean much, but I am deeply sorry for my actions and do not blame any staff if they deny this appeal, and I will hold no grudges. I just want to come back and enjoy myself on the server I had fond memories on, and actually be productive and kind instead of a toxic hindrance.

 

I actually went and revisited this post, having given it a second read. I initially thought it didn't deserve a response, but something to notice that hasn't happened for many other people who've failed to appeal a permaban is something called atonement. It is whole-hearted recognition for mistakes and a desire to do better. Unlike for some people who declare they did nothing wrong and accuse others of wrongdoing and take no personal responsibility, you did something fantastic, and that's admit you've made mistakes, a very simple admittance to make but few people are willing to do it. In all of my time when I was a moderator I can count on one hand the amount of people who appealed their permabans from me that actually understand the issues with what they did that was wrong.

I changed my mind. I'm not as vehemently against this appeal as I was and I'm willing to entertain the idea.

[Skull132]

After a bit of discussion with staff, the ban's lifted.

However, if you end up targeting people, whether it be by harassment or metagrudging, rest assured, you will not be given another chance.