Scheveningen Posted March 10, 2018 Posted March 10, 2018 General preface: This is non-Aurora discord drama. This has nothing to do with the regular server or the official Aurora discord server. At a point prior to the community member McSpizzy departing from the NT-ISD discord to sort out things IRL, they were the kickstarter of the discord server and the head admin at the time. Icuris, AmoryBlaine and Doc was McSpizzy's temporary successors and otherwise trusted individuals to handle things indefinitely. Mcspizzy recently returned and asked to be reinstated. The aforementioned successors held a vote and unanimously agreed to let Mcspizzy back on to run the server again. As a measure of thanking all three of them for their service to the discord server, Mcspizzy effectively removed all three of them from the discord with zero explanation or prior warning, and as of this post and 2-3 hrs ago has still not provided anything close to an adequate explanation as to why. As of this post, Mcspizzy is the only individual with any degree of power to the discord that remains. Despite having the time to remove several staff members and briefly speak only to Doc on the matter(who testified to say they barely got much of an explanation either), Mcspizzy apparently did not have time to make concessions or give explanations as to what was happening, for what reason, what was being planned and for what purpose, etc. It comes as a surprise to me that this even happened in the first place. I cannot fathom as to how such an extreme course of action felt like a good idea to Mcspizzy at the time. This is extremely unfortunate seeing as how, as of this post, no one knows why these drastic changes occurred or as to why the individual Mcspizzy chose to immediately remove three ISD discord staff members without explanation. I see this as a gross abuse of trust on the end of Mcspizzy and a complete lack of grace and dignity on their part. I have not personally witnessed a more undignified, inexcusable abuse of power and trust of other participants in a community in a very long time. Because of the removal of 3 out of 4 ISD leadership and the apparent lack of communication at all on the end of the current-ISD-owner, I am disavowing the ISD discord and the direction it seems to be taking for the worst. I would ask (read: not demanding) the Aurora administration revoke their affiliated group support for NT-ISD and remove the link for the aforementioned discord server. Mcspizzy betrayed the trust of several loyal community members (and a fucking server mod who volunteered to help out, even!) who stuck to it and kept the server alive and civil, only for him to repay those individuals by completely removing them from the equation without so much as a explanation as to why. If a person is willing to do this once and not even give a simple explanation as to why, they'll do it again. If you have any interest in a discord server that wishes to establish closer comms and tighter knit discussion between individuals that play security avidly, stay far away from the NT-ISD discord. The NT-ISD server host has not chosen to stand for the values of more than themselves and has selfishly taken a direction of the server without any consideration of pre-existing discord staff members. I'm really sorry I had to make this post but this is supposed to serve as a warning so that nobody else gets unreasonably fucked over for nothing as a few other community members did for their efforts. At this point, don't bother waiting for mcspizzy's excuses. He has nothing to say that will make up for this totally unfair display of power abuse to individuals who did not even deserve it. Expect him to damage control. [mention]Doc[/mention][mention]AmoryBlaine[/mention][mention]Icuris[/mention] Thanks for your contribution to the NT-ISD discord for as long as it lasted. Edit: I have seen the explanation currently as was confided to me. I am not going into detail with it (unless either would like to explain for themselves) but the fact remains that mcspizzy still removed three individuals that kept the server alive for the longest time, and removed two of them without warning, and only gave a speech to Doc who had to pass it on after icuris and amory were already removed. Doc chose to leave shortly after, Doc wasn't explicitly removed. The excuse that was given by Mcspizzy does not improve the situation whatsoever, it is still pathetic and a damning statement of the character of the person that caused this amazingly stupid and unnecessary radical coup to occur. And to think this all happened because of a vote with good intentions.
Mcspizzy Posted March 10, 2018 Posted March 10, 2018 Thank you for the wonderful slander. here's a direct quote of what was posted as a explanation on why i did what i did. ----------------------- Hello, the former staff team had previously stated that during their time here, both with and without my presence that they had little interest in maintaining this place any further than banning those who had broken rules. stated before i left i was working on several projects that would see completion in the following year, that completion is looming over. the reason i removed amory and beach, is because i want new faces in to aid in the goals i have laid out for the isd, more specifically, i want motivated staff that can pull together as a team, rather than a web to bring about these changes. Amory and Icurius do not meet this criteria, and thus i removed them so that people who do, can. You probably have some questions as to why I removed them in the manner that i did, among other things. "Why did you remove them in this way? Is this some sick game? a coup?" The reason that i removed Amory and icarus was for, obviously the reasons above. I felt that in the event of them learning that I would be removing them (yes, either way i was going to do it.) would ultimately lead to me not regaining ownership of the ISD discord. This might have been okay, i certainly would not have hampered my goals too much. Even so, i went through with it so that i could continue from where i started, yes, this server was made by me, the former three were put in place by me to help. I guess that had to be said, seeing as there were plenty of new faces in here during the time i had left. So, no this isn't a coup, this is just me taking it back. Its not a sick game where im just stirring the foul smelling pot of drama, im moving this place forward as originally intended, which i will briefly explain in this post.(edited) "Will this place still be a place where people can learn to be better as security, to get feedback, discuss the status, and create new ideas and content for the ISD?" Yes. This place will forever and always be a place for new players to learn to play security, and to improve their skills, ultimately creating a better environment for everyone on the server. As we all know, security is, if not the department to ruin a round due to a lack of experienced players. But now that im back, i want to shift the atmosphere of this place slightly to incorporate more of the latter of the question.(edited) Content. When i left, it was so that i could focus more of my time to learning how to sprite, code, and create more content for players wishing to develop their characters beyond the mundane 'sol alliance vet' that seems to permeate security to no end. To do this, i've been working on expanding the lore for the FSF, or the Nanotrasen navy. this, i hope, and if accepted will give security players a new avenue to create a story for their characters, among the other written pieces i hope to work on afterwards. "I heard talk of you making 'radical' changes to security? what are these?" To put it simply, I would hate to tell or show you about an unfinished product, only for it to flop and never see the light. I may change my stance on this as i grow closer to completing them, but you must understand that this is simply a choice by me, and in no way will this impact whether it is implemented or not. to put it short: everyone will be able to see any and all projects made by me, or anyone else in here that so chooses to help me in completing them, or asking to make these projects official under the ISD discord community. you will be able to express yourself here however you want (as long as it doesnt break aurora rules) on the project. And, perhaps the the word 'radical' was a bit too much for the projects im working on. Ill give you a hint as to what it might be, 'all-in-one'. "Did you REALLY have to remove them in the way that you did?" Perhaps not, but I did not want to take a chance. I am sorry to the three if they feel i have so wronged them. I only hope that, at some point they can forgive me, and see that i did this not out of spite, but to achieve what i had always hoped for this place to be, whether they knew of it, or even wanted it. Thank you for reading, and being a apart of this effort. I only hope now that you still wish to be. And if you do not, Xander has made their own ISD server to counter against my actions, you can find it here https://discord.gg/g9Kfu26 Either server you wish to be apart of, or even both, i hope that you can help to improve the ISD, and Aurora in any way you see fit, Thank you @everyone . @everyone some people needed this to be said. no, i did not ban any of the former admins, they all left on their own after i removed their admin tags. ----------------------------------- https://imgur.com/a/l8mYK
Scheveningen Posted March 10, 2018 Author Posted March 10, 2018 Hello, the former staff team had previously stated that during their time here, both with and without my presence that they had little interest in maintaining this place any further than banning those who had broken rules. stated before i left i was working on several projects that would see completion in the following year, that completion is looming over. the reason i removed amory and beach, is because i want new faces in to aid in the goals i have laid out for the isd, more specifically, i want motivated staff that can pull together as a team, rather than a web to bring about these changes. Amory and Icurius do not meet this criteria, and thus i removed them so that people who do, can. You probably have some questions as to why I removed them in the manner that i did, among other things. So basically while you were completely out of touch and on hiatus for several months you give thanks to both Amory and Icuris for their contributions to the discord server by removing them, because of your own selfishness and desire to push your agenda with the discord server. You proved just how disposable you saw those staff members were by removing them without a prior discussion on your goals with them. Your grand set of plans did not include Amory or Icuris, and so you removed them so that you would not need to make concessions for keeping them around. This is selfishness and narrow-mindedness. You outright did not consider attempting to have individual discussions with them before making a decision, your mind was already set. "Why did you remove them in this way? Is this some sick game? a coup?"The reason that i removed Amory and icarus was for, obviously the reasons above. I felt that in the event of them learning that I would be removing them (yes, either way i was going to do it.) would ultimately lead to me not regaining ownership of the ISD discord. This might have been okay, i certainly would not have hampered my goals too much. Even so, i went through with it so that i could continue from where i started, yes, this server was made by me, the former three were put in place by me to help. I guess that had to be said, seeing as there were plenty of new faces in here during the time i had left. Allow me to simplify; "If I didn't deceive them and withhold the truth that I was going to remove them anyway, I would never have been reinstated as the owner of the discord channel. This might've been okay anyway but I chose the seemingly easier route for me so I could have direct control to do whatever I wanted and continue where I started. I started this server and thus I am owed the responsibility as the original owner to return and do whatever the fuck I please regardless of what the people I instated did to keep my server alive for the longest time." Those three individuals kept that server on life support for you only for you to turn around and give them the backhand as you returned. This is disgusting. So, no this isn't a coup, this is just me taking it back. Its not a sick game where im just stirring the foul smelling pot of drama, im moving this place forward as originally intended, which i will briefly explain in this post.(edited)"Will this place still be a place where people can learn to be better as security, to get feedback, discuss the status, and create new ideas and content for the ISD?" Yes. This place will forever and always be a place for new players to learn to play security, and to improve their skills, ultimately creating a better environment for everyone on the server. As we all know, security is, if not the department to ruin a round due to a lack of experienced players. But now that im back, i want to shift the atmosphere of this place slightly to incorporate more of the latter of the question.(edited) You were voted back in, the only right you have to the server is the one that Doc, Amory and Icuris gave you directly. Even Doc will attest to this. You were voted back in and then you ousted 2/3 of the people who volunteered to keep your server alive, active and civil. The third saw how full of shit you were and left. This is the very definition of a hostile takeover, AKA, a coup. You had no intention of keeping anyone other than Doc. This is selfishness, again. This is you attempting to force an outcome you want rather than an outcome that would benefit more than just you. This powerplay didn't benefit anybody but you. You would have kept all three of your fellow staff members if your judgement wasn't so unsound that even Hellen Keller is raising an eyebrow at your fumbling. You are the very last person who should be running that discord based on what you did. You have no shame or consideration for what you did, and a value of security is to be self-reflective and avoid abusing your power for selfish reasons. Your duty is to others, not yourself. Never yourself over others. Content. When i left, it was so that i could focus more of my time to learning how to sprite, code, and create more content for players wishing to develop their characters beyond the mundane 'sol alliance vet' that seems to permeate security to no end. To do this, i've been working on expanding the lore for the FSF, or the Nanotrasen navy. this, i hope, and if accepted will give security players a new avenue to create a story for their characters, among the other written pieces i hope to work on afterwards. This is a nothingburger. This is lore speculation and is not justification for having removed two discord staff members for legitimately no good reason aside from them being in the way of your plans that would've otherwise have gone accordingly if you had just fucking kept them all on-board the team and with your ideas. You never fire someone from staff without good reason. I was damnably close but I left the mod team before that decision was ever made, because I was sure in a position where there was good reason to pinkslip me. "I heard talk of you making 'radical' changes to security? what are these?" To put it simply, I would hate to tell or show you about an unfinished product, only for it to flop and never see the light. I may change my stance on this as i grow closer to completing them, but you must understand that this is simply a choice by me, and in no way will this impact whether it is implemented or not. to put it short: everyone will be able to see any and all projects made by me, or anyone else in here that so chooses to help me in completing them, or asking to make these projects official under the ISD discord community. you will be able to express yourself here however you want (as long as it doesnt break aurora rules) on the project. And, perhaps the the word 'radical' was a bit too much for the projects im working on. Ill give you a hint as to what it might be, 'all-in-one'. It's pretty clear: He plans on turning security into militarized cops by merging the FSF and ISD into a single entity. That is all you need to know. And somehow this ties into his Developer's Genius Vision of removing loyal people that just got in the way of his dream. "Did you REALLY have to remove them in the way that you did?" Perhaps not, but I did not want to take a chance. I am sorry to the three if they feel i have so wronged them. I only hope that, at some point they can forgive me, and see that i did this not out of spite, but to achieve what i had always hoped for this place to be, whether they knew of it, or even wanted it. This is perhaps the part that makes me the most furious above all. They apologize because it's bad PR on their plate, not because they have a sudden epiphany on what they did wrong and what ways they will change from now on. It is one thing to make mistakes in the heat of the moment or bad judgements in the heat of the moment. This was planned far in advance by mcspizzy to have those two individuals who worked very hard to keep his server alive and still ripe with participants who chat and discuss things, just removed without any consideration or discussion of their contributions. This is a mark of a manipulator and you would do really good for yourself and your friends if you expressed yourself by boycotting that server and petitioning the administration to have that server removed as an Aurora-affiliate. This kind of behavior is not something the Aurora staff would condone themselves and they would do well if they removed NT-ISD from the Aurora affiliates listing in our main discord. This kind of decision making is not something any one person should ever endorse.
Mcspizzy Posted March 10, 2018 Posted March 10, 2018 the only thing i removed them from is from their admin tags, no more, no less. i do not plan on making security 'MP's', and even if i did it would be shot down in suggestions before the day was over. I am in no way bashing either of the three for how they maintained the server, because there was little to be maintained. i can only put this bluntly, and say this with absolute zero spite against the two. i had only left the admin team for a total of three months, and in that time there was zero work being put into isd. This, is perfectly fine, i knew this well into leaving and did not expect or ask any of them to do such. though to say that maintaining a server full off individuals that would only be there to better themselves is hard, is simply not true. in the entire amount of time that the discord has been up, there has only been one troll. lastly, the discord server was always like this, ALWAYS. you only act like the current path i set for the discord is bad, because you have only been in it for less than a month, and have been banned already from it once.
Scheveningen Posted March 10, 2018 Author Posted March 10, 2018 Still failed to explain how you weren't able to plan in advance some sort of proper discussion with the three of them on deciding how to move forward if you were somehow still capable of concocting a plan that involved removing two out of three of them as soon as you came back. And also how you kept it from the other three staff members what you intended to do with them until the very last second when you had the power to remove them. That's kinda dishonest. But it was cute. you only act like the current path i set for the discord is bad No, actually, I would've totally been onboard with your plans had you not basically fired two of your staff for no fucking reason, which then led to your third man deciding 'well fuck this shit sucks I'm out'. I liked when the people running the discord server ran a reasonable tight ship and were upfront about it rather than having one person running the show also stab multiple of their fellow staff members right in the back for keeping their own ship afloat for absolutely no reason that could be beneficial to you whatsoever. I do not see how losing 2 staff members and hoping to keep only Doc onboard would've been of any remote benefit to you. You don't remove people who have done nothing wrong. It is unethical and uncalled for. You have a complete lack of a moral compass and this just shocks me.
Mcspizzy Posted March 10, 2018 Posted March 10, 2018 You do bring up a good point, in that this does not seem at all beneficial to myself in removing them both. i've said my piece, and now it is time to act upon what i have said and bring the contributions i am working on to aurora. whether this will cause ISD to be removed, and its decline, or that my projects do not get accepted due to the community voting on them not fitting into the server, or due to the fact of my actions today, so be it. I will not stop working on them, and i will not give up on aurora until i am either removed due to my own stupid actions, either these or hopefully never in the future, or when the day comes where aurora hosts its last round. My actions are my own, and i stick by them as i feel they were done with honest intentions, even if they may seem strange.
TishinaStalker Posted March 10, 2018 Posted March 10, 2018 Thank you for the wonderful slander. ACKTCHUALLY. It's libel.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted March 10, 2018 Posted March 10, 2018 There's not a lot staff can do about anything regarding this since it isn't a staff run discord. Why not make your own server?
Faris Posted March 10, 2018 Posted March 10, 2018 So uh, I have host on the server now. I'll get around to sorting this issue by tomorrow.
Scheveningen Posted March 10, 2018 Author Posted March 10, 2018 Nothing I have said was untrue or inaccurate and any inaccuracies I made was clarified in the original edit of the OP. There's not a lot staff can do about anything regarding this since it isn't a staff run discord. Why not make your own server? This is the problem. . But apparently he left at this point.
Faris Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 This is more or less over and resolved. I'll just lock this now.
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