Cassie

Can you guys stop derailing this topic with salt that happened from other cultists. The shit that happened with the cult, just make another topic. I have issues with the ganking too, but please stop shitting on my topic. If you had an issue with a specific cultist, make a complaint topic. I do not really care, what is complaining to me going to do? Tainavaa. Can you please demanding how to feel about a situation where players deliberately chose to bypass their job descriptions as non-antags and play with law charges and get people in a permanent cell to excercise a power trip. I don't know about how much you're desensitized to shitcurity, but I find being put in perma falsely on purpose a big deal. I have given definite descriptions of the mutiny and sedition charges and why we could not have fit under that under any circumstances. That is job complaint material. It is not roleplay. It was one-sided enjoyment - it was an example of something were people were powertripping and actually had to lie to get there OOC'ly. Do not tell me it was roleplay. I assert that you are not allowed to do what security just did on that round. I know you clearly like the people involved with the incident, but you are defending this way too far. Do not derail my thread with "What some other shitty cultist did on the other side of the station" to distract what happened in the permabrig prior to then. As for sec putting on false charges (keep in mind, false impossible charges to teach engineering a lesson, not strict ones), this is mutiny/rev/antag sec behaviour. It'd be different if we all had different charges and kept into holding until yada yada, but apparently this is not what went down - at least from our point of view. They claim we'd be processed, what is the proof of that? Anyone can say that post round. They are not the antags. This was not "good RP", it was a nuisance and an abomination that impeded antag activity and caused players (some being those that have behaviour issues as seen in other threads) to become more paranoid and desperate than they were already, and you really, really cannot control the fuck out of other people once they get "jailbreak" in their blood. Believe me, the cult was sporadic and chaotic to be in, none of the plans or RP I wanted to do ever got fufilled, and my first antag round in months was practically ruined. People are trying to wet-coward and backpeddle and say "We were trying to RP!" when the treatment of the players in the round prior to the jailbreak implied the goal was to get us in a permacell. I would like to remind everyone we had little to no interaction during the engineering "crackdown", and the arrests and cell-tossing was literally almost non-verbal lolflash business. We did not even have our charges read to us, I had to demand them. No sign whatsoever that anything but permabrig was going to happen. Anyone can claim "WE HAD RP COMING!" but you really spent a good round showing us your "RP skills", so that's what anyone would say to save their skin. Unless you want to pull out logs of officers having plans of having us in questioning I can't be bothered to trust anyone's excuses.

No Tainavaa, there was no legitimate reason why a mutiny and/or sedition charges were made. I don't care how we should have "made light of it", the security members who ascribed that to us did so to get us in the permabrig, even though it was not a valid charge and they probably knew that. We could not have possibly been mutinists or seditionists because we have no authority to rebel against (we did not defy any head/command/ert/centcom order, which are the only roles that count), it was literally impossible. What do you not understand? We should be looking at sec bans, not antag bans if you're so happy to look into bans Tainavaa. But I'm more concerned on targetting the mentality here, I don't have to entertain a bunch of RP'ers who have not even had the courtesy to try to be honest security. The "unexpected, unwanted" thing would have been an normal arrest, not a false charge to "HAHA GOT YOU IN PERMA SUCKER. RESPECT MA AUTHORITY" mutiny charge with no heads. Believe it or not, we had higher expectations. Also Skull. Well, just a correction. My character at the point of saying "But noawh, it's cool. We'll set it up." had this on her mind. - Okay, I saw the engine get set up by that engineer in the hardsuit earlier. I'm sure -he- set it up, did he finish? - Guess I'll double check it. Then I got to the singularity engine room. - SMES units seem fine. Everything's set up well. Then I assume after that Lauren perhaps sabotaged it shortly after. Just for clarification, I didn't actually do anything with the engine.

I have had experiences in the perma on this server as antag. I have seen other people in perma on this server. I rarely, if ever see things materialize from that - with the exception of people breaking you out. When you have security that is arresting people in your department for minor things, using the AI as a secpet, spying you furiously (even before the engine fiddling), lolflashing you without a word without asking you to turn yourself in (for arrest), instantly removing your headset, only telling you your charges after you demand a lot of times, putting on stupid irrelevent changes to get you in perma, and not even putting you through processing (nevermind the excuses on this thread), would you seriously have high expections of roleplay and sportmanship in the permabrig? Would you? I was probably expecting a regular arrest/detention at most for our lipping, not perma. In fact, that was the worst breaking of trust of the round - who does that? Are you allowed to do that as sec? I wish I didn't OOC'ly let my guard down thinking that security would actually apply normal charges instead of invalid ones meant to knock people out of the round. When the officer came along to arrest Bennit (who has cult items on them), I could have gotten a stun tailsman and ganked them right there; I did not, because that is not how I antag and that would be wrong. I tried to convince the officer that Bennit was harmless and what they did was beneficial, many other station members did the same. I do RP along and try to make fair situations. After the perma incident and the stuff surrounding it, I began losing hope in the round. I did not enjoy it. We're antags with tomes and tailsmans and godknows what else in our rucksacks. If the amount of disregard and respect considering the amount of hounding we had in the beginning, imagine our fear when we're being illegally dragged off to the permabrig when they don't even know we have cult items in our rucksack. This is a cult round, not mutiny. OOC'ly, we could not think of roleplay after perma. It was just guns, tasers, and the soltary room. Aurora has a habit of not accomodating antag RP after capture, so pardon me if I don't feel easy after everything they did and doing a trust-excercise by falling back into their arms RP wise. The "ridiculous charges" were holding until transfer, there is no guarantee of escape (especially when you have a secpet AI), and it's a very demoralizing thing to happen 20 minutes into the game. Also, nothing I did was worthy of an antag ban IC. My complaints are valid.

No keinto. When we were arrested, we were charged with mutiny/sedition; regardless if the power came back or not we would be in perma. The charge of mutiny and sedition, where did they come from?

Tainavaa you are completely missing the point. Security should not ever slap unsuitable charges on people because they don't like them, or because they're "suspicious". It does not matter, it's very irrelevant at this stage. It doesn't matter, what the cultists did to protect their image is their own stuff; I am talking about the responsibility of the sec players here. They were in the wrong to use mutiny and sedition charges to apprehend a group of people instead of applying the correct charges to them - in fact, not only is it a form of playing security wrong, it is powergaming. Even if we were all actual engine sabotagers the arrest + charges are grotesque and improper and I want you to actually have a good look at what is wrong here. There is no corporate regulation that they could have punished us with correctly (even if they were right) that was justified a perma. They had to pull out an irrelevant regulation to try to get us in perma. That is the point.

I think I need to turn this topic back onto what I made it for. If people have complaints on the acts of people acting like shitlords who played cultist that round, please make a separate topic. Believe it or not, I cannot represent the dozens of people who played cultist that round because I don't even know all of them. If Josh or any others have an issue with how I talked to them after the drama, we can discuss that via byond pager or a separate complaint topic. To clear things off, the engineers panicked (and Bennit) when Bennit was arrested because if he was searched (keep in mind this is ten minutes into the game) his tome and tailsman would be discovered, but thankfully he didn't. This explains the engineers strong (except Lauren, who was non-antag's) IC reaction. But that is not important here, I only put that in for the setting. I need to let everyone know this once more: Not all engineers, including myself knew about the engine actually being sabotaged while they were lipping to sec. Doesn't matter what sec thinks at the stage who is justified in what, I'm only clarifying this from an OOC angle for people who think we actually did that. It is hard to disprove metagaming as all it takes is two players, one skype client, and one player who is ghosting. No one else in game has to know. I can't prove metagaming - I can definitely point to powergaming however. The actions, rather than "what could be happening", is what is irking me here; I feel that engineering acting suspicious is what pushed sec to the following... Now. Here's the most important point I need to emphasize which is the basis of this complaint topic. We did nothing that is compatible with corporate regulations that would justify a perma. I understand being arrested for a temporary/demotion charge, as much as I don't like being arrested I would not have complained at all as arrests are expected and we were prepared for potential arrests after the first one. BUT. I do not understand why we had "mutiny" and/or "sedition" slapped onto our charges; which are transfer until holding charges. There were no command members on the station, and I welcome anyone to read the definition of these charges on the wiki. I believe the mutiny and sedition charges were slapped onto the engineer's sentences as an abuse of power; it sent the antag round into a spiral of chaos as other cultists who got influenced by this went from the seeds of planning and establishing things to paranoia to "OH LOOK WE'RE IN PERMA! WE'RE FUGITIVES, THEY'LL SHOOT US ON SIGHT. IT'S THEM OR US!", and that is why this topic exists. It was a terrible round, and while many cultists were being shitlords I do blame it on you for this action you took which was the catalyst.

Can you give me a sample of the logs where you ask for engine stuff. You may have said them, doesn't mean I received or noticed them - if you send me them I can perhaps search for them. Or I may have seen them, but due to the IC/OOC issue I've mentioned so many times they may have been reinterpreted. I was ambused you say! I am pretty sure you were ambushed /after/ we were put in the permabrig, unless you're talking about some different ambush I have no idea about then kindly let me know about that. You probably ahelped because you knew that running up to someone randomly and flashing them in the face with serious perma-tier charges that do not actually apply to what happened in the round and no processing on top of that might be a bit dodgy. You can't have a "mutiny" without heads, you were not authority, and any of the engineers throwing a "tantrum" to you is not perma-brig material. I can only comment on what you actually did, not what you said you were going to do. All I know is that you tossed an entire department of people in the brig with charges that were wrong. Even without processing the charges were ridiculous. Even with going off suspicions of what engineers said; none of it was permabriggable And quit arguing about the reaction to the first arrest. I am talking about the erroneous charges and the overvigilant behaviour at round start. I not complaining about the first arrest, though I do no note it is dodgy but not the worst thing that happened that round - I am talking about how the arrests and "investigation" was handled and the effect it had on the round. If the consequence was 40 minute brigging and demotion, I'd accept it. This topic would not exist. If it ended with bullshit "mutiny" and sedation charges. I've rebutted why these are erroneous charges and that's part of this complaint, but they're being conveniently avoided now. If this was a one-off thing sec does, i'd allow it. But racking up charges or giving serious ones that don't apply to get people in perma is so common on this server it's actually pitiful. When you say "you", you should mention names because I am not accepting any one elses' dirt. This is dishonest. State who is is doing what, or I will not accept it. For the note, I did not kill or convert anyone the entire round, in fact, apart from "threatening", I don't think my character did an awful lot. The only thing I can say I was complicit in was summoning Nar'Sie, which was requested. What other cultists did; not my issue - the cultist sec officer lead most of it, most of our chances to set things up and RP were ruined by the fact things were set to high risk from the beginning. The chaotic nature may also have been accelerated by the lack of heads and sec, but whatever. Things were a fucking mess and I dreaded everything since the perma. Between a chaotic round, and a prematurely stunted round, I think both are pretty terrible. I am not Bennit. Stop flinging dirt from others onto me. I am making a complaint on my experience of the round. Honestly, you can't actually come out and say you were RP'ing with anyone, and were looking out for RP potential (especially with the AI shit) and by racking up charges and trying to shove everyone into perma as fast as you can (not to mention that very detail RP flash arrest I got), I am not sure if any of you can judge anyone else on that.

Tainavaa. In fact, have some LOOC quotes of my ignorance before I was informed. That's how much I knew Tainavaa. So brig an entire department? Except if you don't know, you won't know and this method combined with perma + a lack of processing is one of security's best powergame methods. I've seen it take down antags, non-antags, innocent people, people who have no idea what is going on; it ruins rounds. It's frustrating, it's pointless. Stop doing it, and I think the complaint is perfectly justified. Why even complain about the cult's spread on station when they can't even facilitate a decent arrest? But that's not even half of the complaint. My complaint was: And lastly, How did the singularity exist at all? That right. Someone set it up. The singularity was a "baby" because when Lauren took out the cell in the engineering APC, the singularity's PA would have stopped working. The singularity would have begin starving and eventually shrunk. A baby singularity (stage one) is enough loss to cause power loss, esp depending on how SMES were set. I don't know about every single power issue, that is something an admin with log access can confirm; because as you know - I have no involvement with the sabotage whatsoever. I have to actually walk away from this topic for a while before I have a go. I am really done.

Tainavaa, I am actually getting very tired of repeating myself. I only talked in LOOC after we were put in the perma. We were only notified the engine was sabotaged after we were put in perma. I said the power was being put on already. I also said that I did not sabotage it. Do you need any more information?

Tainavaa, I clearly remember the singularity engine being set up. An engineer in a hardsuit was setting it up, and I asked him if he is setting it up and he said yes, and I came back to the engine with the singularity set up, blast doors down and the plasma tanks filled (the singularity was set up, NOT the supermatter). So no, OOC'ly, the engine business was set, in my eyes. Also, the respect I was given was returned, if it was not a lot; maybe try seeing how we were treated because give what they get. I have not played engineering or antag on this server in ages, and this is the first time in forever I've had to deal with this. It really should be in the logs. I'm not sure if you have Particle Accelator changes being logged here, but that too should show up. I'm honestly looking through my logs, I can see where security is like, "Turn the engine on!", but obviously the problem with security this round is because they assumed everyone was in on it, they basically made everyone in on it. My engineer was IC'ly like, "Whatever, engine's on. Whatever." and has not been too involved (or aware the engine has been sabotaged) so none of this makes sense to her. "They don't deserve power. Let's protest", Lauren says, and my character is like "True." But my character did make it clear where she stands, I posted the logs for gods' sake. Not matter where you stand on Lauren, Bennit, Anya, or any of the individual engineers - none of them warranted permabrig or the sudden rush-in arrests and aggravating from sec. In fact, let's go over it shall we? Lauren - Possible charges that can be applied: Neglect of Duty? (max 40 mins brig and demotion), Sabotage? (max 40 mins brig and demotion), Vandalism? (max 10 mins and demotion) Bennit and Anya- Possible charges that can be applied: Neglect of Duty? (max 40 mins brig and demotion), Sabotage? (max 40 mins brig and demotion), Vandalism? (max 10 mins and demotion) I am not certain if Bennit actually participated in those crimes - that's something the player or an admin would have the clear on, but this is all based on suspicion any way. Keep in mind that Anya was kept out of this and never touched the engine or was informed at any point, and told the people on the comms that the engine was being set up (to her knowledge, it was). I'm not sure how your fart of an excuse of "I was ambushed" justifies skipping processing, let us know a bit more about that. Dmytro - Possible charges that can be applied: Assault (max 40 minutes and demotion) Also you don't selectively question during incidents like this. If you want to slap on extra charges like "mutiny" instead of assault, ask yourself; hey should we investigate and see what's going on RP wise? Otherwise just arrest for the crime in front of you. That's why the sec department is a mess on this server, not the first time this has happened. Permabrigging on impulse, AI-hawking, is not something to be lightly used on this server; and that is what this topic is for. The fact is, because you weren't RP'ing properly and in your usual mode of desperating hunting arrests and having the AI work as a classroom snitch (at round start!); we could not do anything. We don't even have the privilege of questioning, especially when people are trying to slap on incompatible perma-tier charges on you when even the worst thing you actually did (or projected to do) doesn't warrant it. Then people have a nerve to expect the cult to be graceful when it breaks out (to be honest, it was not even that bad) It's ridiculous and I really do not understand the psychology behind it. Why? That's what the complaint is for. edit: Also, josh. You too were acting like a dick in LOOC and OOC, so let's battle that after. The beef between you and I is for another complaint; this was for the round. Provide logs, or just don't.

Define blackmail. What crimes would actually be applicable for the engineers excluding Lauren, because I honestly would like to know. This is a bit pointless to mention because this is simply a point of luck; if things went your way we would have stayed in there an entire round perhaps. After all, our headsets were taken, clothes removed and tossed in there; not much we could have done if we did not get broken out. You may say that, but this quote is actually undeniable. In fact, let's go back to my original post quotes because you /clearly/ missed it. Anya Galebe [145.9] says, "But noawh, it's cool. We'll set it up." Antony Bennit [145.9] says, "Anya...lauren its cool. Setup the engine I will man the outpost" Secondly even if we did get put in the same boat, you could not slap mutiny OR sedition on me. You might have possibly thrown a "Neglect of Duty", and maybe this thread would probably not exist. Let me requote: But no, you aimed for the perma, on false interpretations too. Most of engineering were not actually breaking laws - even they vocalized support, I can't say a lot of them touched the engine. Even if you had suspicion you can't just permabrig everyone like that, especially when they all said different things. Yet all of them were permabrigged, not just arrested - perma'ed, I am asking your excuse on that. Do I even have to do this? Rebelling is an act of defiance towards authority. You can not rebel without authority. You can't have a mutiny without heads, you can't have a revolutionary act without heads. No one mentioned hostility towards centcom. You can possibly slap on other charges (and I even scoff at that), but not that. Security are not in the chain of command, you cannot make a mutiny charge because some engineers threatened to not serve you. If you wanted to deal with one engineer who threatened to cut power; deal with her - even her charges don't go into mutiny; it's neglect of duty. Sigh. Look, if you had plenty of time to arrest an engineer for going into atmos to take a harmless pipe dispenser, piss off the engineers, and use the AI and security cameras as spycams; you have time. Names and evidence please. Because the way you guys generalize and twist the truth to justify things, I honestly have to be careful with the info you give out. And no, being in the engineer bed room trying to figure out my cult words while default cyborg roams in and out of the rooms for weird reasons - I was not informed of any "hostile" activity, and knowing this there was a change other engineers had the same issue. The only hostile activity I actually saw was two engies beating said cyborg while we were being arrested. We were instantly put into perma. We could have been held and put into questioning - we really could. But this is honestly a very common trope where people are instantly put into perma and having their charges generalized (slapped on), and maximized/exaggerated to the highest degree. Have you ever successfully played antag with security breathing down your back, having a grandma AI watching you, with a rambo warden, ready to arrest you for sneezing? And if you sneeze, they find the best excuse to put you in perma even if it's a bogus one that makes no sense. Like, honestly, you want RP cult? Don't do that shit.

Okay first off, stop using the word "advised". Someone in deadchat told me it was simply "turned off", but the fact I am even so out of the loop (and many other engineers were) just proves how much of a great idea arresting everyone in engineering was. We're not a hivemind, we don't know the split second an engineer tries to poop in the supermatter or something. We're going to have to stumble across, discover, or be alerted to this. My character, along with PoZe's character who had just arrived had no knowledge of this. This is an easy misunderstanding but I have no sympathy because if you guys were doing your job correctly and summoning questioning and investigation like you should you could have easily prevented the stuffing of random people into perma like a chicken coup. Even non-antags and uninvolved engies got the brunt of this too, rememeber? As the topic states, the majority of the engineering staff had knowledge the engine was set up intially. I myself, knew the engine was set up. But little had knowledge of the sabotage, I am not sure about what engineers knew about it beyond Lauren at this point. Think about this - our engineers did not even know the engine was sabotaged (both IC and OOC); we actually only found out after we were arrested. Which explains how fucked up this situation was in the first place While being arrested, we shouted "We have not done anything!", "The engine has been set up!", and our characters were telling the truth in that regard, because to their knowledge that was true. Correction: Anthony Bennit said that. If you wanted to pursue that charge, you should have sent him into questioning as a suspect. By engineering is against you; that only counts as mutiny when said towards command and overthrowing command (WHICH WAS NONEXISTANT IN THAT ROUND) - and here's the thing, there was no command. Nations only count if it is revoking command access and actually declares war on the chain of command. If medbay and cargo decide to have a petty fight with each other one round; that's not a mutiny or a sedition; that's just a petty mess that their heads have to fix. But if these departments try to throw out their commanding officers and turn against the chain of command; that's where you can place those labels. Any department, like Engineering is obliged to do power and to fix breaches and life-threatening things (this goes under neglect of duty); but unless they've been ordered by the Captain or CE, they are not obliged to do anything else. They are not obliged to listen to other departments either (though that -is- preferred), like medbay or security. Security does not have authority, so it is not a "rebellion". The whole reason for the projected "anarchy" you mention is the fact there were no compatible heads around. So there. First of all, you could not pull mutiny in the first place as there was no command. There was no official authority on station for them. There was no authority to rebel against because there was none. Security is a department, it is in no way governing over engineering. The warden is not a head. Secondly, those two engineers attacking the borgs do not classify as mutiny - that is assault. That is assault of an officer, not mutiny. It could have been a completely isolated incident (and in a way, it was), what basis did you have to stand on other than hypothesis gathered by existing prejudices? The best part of this is one of the engineers had no idea what was going on (between sec and engineering), and they were actually attacking the borg for a completely different reason. You had reason to suspect Lauren, but you used the fallacy of guilt by associated on Dmytro, which was soon applied to the entire engineering team. Correction. Lauren blackmailed withholding power, and to my knowledge was the only one to blatantly do so. All the other engineers would have had different charges, if not at all. My engineer Anya; the only thing you could possibly nab her with is being disrespectful on comms; yet she was slapped on with all the charges.

BYOND Key: cassy_jenelle Player Byond Key: (unknown) Edmund Wade, James Chun, Valery Compton and others Staff involved: Josh1133 Reason for complaint: Overzealous security, potential powergaming/metagaming, incompetence Approximate Date/Time: 27th May 2015, 7:23am (GMT time) So here's some facts I need to lay down. Notes: The entire round was code green. There was not a Captain, CE, HoS, atmos tech or HOP on the station at this time (beginning of the round). The engine was set up. The engine was not damaged. The station did not fully lose power until people were put into the brig. Cult round started on secret. We had just had a cult round previously. Two engineering people (one of them being me) were cultists. I, Anya Galebe (Station Engineer), and Anthony Bennit (Station Engineer). There were other cultists on station. Anya and Anthony talked to each other privately. They decided they would try making a base. This base would be a shelter for cultists, and for us to draw our runes and have a fortress and safehut and whatnot. We'd just get some existing stuff from engineering (which was fine and all, because it's within our job). It starts when Anthony goes into atmos to try take a pipe dispenser. Suddenly, the AI (you know, security AIs) catches Anthony taking a pipe dispenser from their own department, not their own sector of their department, but atmos. Which is like chemistry to a medical doctor. Suddenly the AI launches BUDDYCOP SUSPICIOUS BEHAVIOUR HUNTER MODE 9000, bolting the doors down and reporting this to sec. Suddenly, we hear the following on the radio: Antony Bennit [Engineering] says, "I took the pipe dispensor from atmos to work on the outpost." Okay cool, sweet, dude got caught. Whoops. Pretty petty, but we should expect this sort of treatment if we dare don yellow clothing. Well, we listen to hear Anthony's charges: Anya Galebe asks, "Can you explain why you are arresting our colleague?" Antony Bennit says, "The fucking AI wouldn't respond to us Val." Anya Galebe sighs. Antony Bennit says, "So we went in anyways" Valery Compton says, "They are being charged with tresspass and theft." Anya Galebe says, "He is an engineer." Valery Compton says, "They are /not/ an atmospherics technician." Edmund Wade [145.9] says, "Except break into a secure area and take a pipe dispenser without notifying anyone beforehand." Lauren Blade [145.9] says, "..we always do that with the CE's office to get into secure storage for singularity." Right-O. So he's put in a cell. Cool. At this point the singularity engine is set up by an engineer and the SMES units were turned on. Thankfully, Anthony was not searched, or our cult antics would be busted early on. But, security start patrolling engineering hallways like every 5 minutes, even the non-antags were getting annoyed at the fact the one of the officers was there standing in our lobby. They start getting a bit peeved, reasonably. I've seen several officers do this to engineering the past, one of them stood in our lobby for some time, it was really silly. David Collins [145.9] says, "THERE ARE NO ATMOS TECHS. WHO ELSE IS GOING TO WORK ON ATMOS? ASSISTANTS? I would rather have engineers work on atmos." Antony Bennit [145.9] says, "You know what. fine. You wanna do this? Engineering is now fucking against you. Fuck your power." Antony Bennit [145.9] asks, "You want to be able to BREATHE if somthing goes wrong?" Lauren Blade [145.9] says, "Because you twats are disrespecting us." IAM [145.9] says, "Very well. It is well-established that absent a Chief Engineer, secure storage must... in fact... be opened for the operation of the station." Anya Galebe [145.9] says, "Excuse me if we don't have a CE, and an engineer volunteers to help out with atmos." Anya Galebe [145.9] shouts, "Just get off our backs!" After this tiff, this happens. Different engineers actually start making threats of two kinds, one of cooperating or just withholding extra-supplementary work unless ordered by authority (which is totally optional for any engineer to do unless commanded by a CE or Captain, which is totally their choice) and actually turning off the power. I will them by colour: Sslazhir Yinzr [145.9] says, "Do it and it isss neglect of duty." Lauren Blade [145.9] says, "We are /working/." Edmund Wade [145.9] says, "That's fucking stupid, you're just working on your damn pet projects." Edmund Wade [145.9] says, "The station needs power." Lauren Blade [145.9] says, "This station will be fine, without it." Edmund Wade [145.9] says, "Requires engine setup. Now fix it, please." Ludwick Foreal [145.9] says, "This is hilarious" Edmund Wade [145.9] says, "You've intentionally sabotaged the engine to deprive the station of power." Lauren Blade [145.9] says, "Maybe I don't have knowledge of setting up an engine?.." Anya Galebe [145.9] says, "We'll do what our work requires of us, but unless the CE or Captain commands it; we're not doing specialties." Anya Galebe [145.9] says, "That's what she's saying." Anya Galebe [145.9] shouts, "What if we set up the engine and get arrested for sabotage if we accidently miss and hit a floortile. Oh no!" Anya Galebe [145.9] says, "But noawh, it's cool. We'll set it up." Antony Bennit [145.9] says, "Anya...lauren its cool. Setup the engine I will man the outpost" And another engineer, Lauren who is not an antag at this time, gets annoyed at security. Get this, this maginificent sabotage is "turning the engine off", like, by the SMES. Lauren didn't actually let the other engineers (to my knowledge) know she was actually going to actually turn it off, as you can see by Anya's explaination to what she said. Anyway, Lauren gets converted as our IPC cultist comes in and does a convert rune in engineering before wiping it away after. I have no idea if this was seen or not. Here's where my main issue lies: The officers are still just there, standing in the lobby, drifting in and out like a bunch of zombies. Anyway, suddenly, the first actual "gank" of the game happens: Valery Compton blinds Anya Galebe with the flash! ÿ!Edmund Wade draws the the taser gun, pointing it at the ground. Valery Compton puts the flash into the security belt. ÿValery Compton is trying to put some handcuffs on Anya Galebe Like, we were just having tea in the engineering lobby. No antag shit whatsoever, not armed, not running. Just there at the table. I get run over to, lolflashed and cuffed. Get this, by the warden. The damn warden who should be in the brig and sending out officers if there's no HoS; not being one! Edmund Wade says, "You're under arrest for inciting sedition and neglect of duty." Uuuugh, how lovely. Yeah yeah, whatever. Let me just explain how I and the others actually didn't have anything to do with the "sabotage" and we can call it a day? That's what questioning and investigation and fingerprints are for, right? I consider to myself, if I do get done for neglect of duty, it's just demotion and ten minutes out of the game. No biggie. Also, what? Sedition? Wait, what's sedition again? Uh, security are authority of engineering? The warden left the brig; and he does not qualify as authority to the engineering department. There was no "chain of command" to rebel against - literally. I don't even know about myself if I could have possibly said anything that actually goes towards "nations". Anyway, without any questioning, investigation, or even a quick brief on who did or said what - the entire engineering department, including ones who were not involved got tossed into solitary over a bogus charge - I shit you not. About 2/3rds of the cult (including non-antags) were almost wiped out of the game and put in a small cramped solitary cell for the rest of the game because of incompetent security measures. Anyway, the round turned to our side when someone in security got converted and helped us bust out. Because we were now "fugitives" the cult could not go in an RP way as we were now shoot-on-sight antags in perma, which is not personally my ideal way of being in a round as it's not a "let's RP" environment. But can this be entirely blamed on the cult? Personally, I never actually killed anyone, but the round was quite a riot. Antags literally had to become more aggressive and less stealth because they would have been ended for just sneezing. This is not the first time antag rounds have ended prematurely, blown up, or completely fizzled out by shitcurity. I really don't want to have another round like this.

I think that IPCs and Skrell are the most neglected species. IPCs have been getting a bit more attention recently, and so have skrell but they need more development. I think that IPCs should have their own language, just not a shared channel with AIs and cyborgs. Their own, which is station-wide like the drones channel - that would be pretty cool and act as their own advantage. Like bluetooth/wifi/something? based chat. If drones have their own language, it's not physically implausible don't have their own. As for Skrell, I can't think of anything quite yet, but I'm thinking that Skrell should have resistance to toxin damage if they drink water. Just something that would make pros and cons for each species really. Unathi are quite strong, their advantages aren't bad, they just need disadvantages to counter them - a weakness. Same with any species really.

Okies, digging into this. Because it's a time where chair RP is at its highest. If you don't have chair RP partners, or don't do chair RP; prepare to be bored out of your mind. If you -do- have chair RP partners, you won't have too much of an issue, until you eventually burn out from talking to the same people every day. When I ask people to branch out and dynamically cause things to happen they don't get it, "Whaaaat? Chair RP with five people? But that's haaard!", and don't realize that there's other forms of RP that aren't chair RP and don't include shutting yourself in a secluded part of the station and whispering every single damn shift. If you're new or unrecognized, you will definitely have a hard time with this gamemode as people tend to shut themselves into their departments as if a station tsunami was on its way. Sometimes you might have a stroke of luck and find someone to RP with, then what? Well, time to introduce yourselves and go over the cliches. How exhilarating. Another fun thing about this gamemode is that you OOC'ly know nothing dramatic is likely to happen* (*unless you're sec/command, then you will eventually find some LRP scum griffing somewhere to put to justice), so you will go and do your job. I hear the perfect ratio approved by Aurora command is 8:2 (Work to Social Interaction). Doing your job is the most exciting thing to ever happen. Imagine the thrill of mixing the same pills, putting them in bottles and placing them in the fridge as chemist every shift. Imagine the excitement of doing the same research levels as scientist! Imagine the awe of growing the same plants as botanist. It doesn't end there! Here's the best part! You get to call crew transfer and do it all over again! YES! The same thing! In fact, do you even need 32 other players to rock this amazingly non-repetitive mechanic? NO! We can start our own server and do it on our own, who needs anyone else. That's how amazing doing your job on a HRP server is! You see, the thing that makes the game fresh is having varied rounds, unpredictability (which needed on both LRP and HRP servers to have fun, just in different ways), and some element of how each job will have fun - the reason why sec, medical and engineering get stacked the most on extended is because of the former, they have variation each round whereas many job roles such as science do not (and only often get stacked as a chair RP role). Other job roles often do not become useful until they are needed often (hint: not extended, unless an event is happening), otherwise you are often finding yourself standing for hours until a rare request comes in. IE: Geneticist, xenobiology, virology. In all seriousness, this is coming from someone who actually doesn't mind extended. Just giving some insight of how extended can often be.

I actuallyish agreesh with thisesh. I thinkesh the accentish is a bitush ridiculousish. It wouldesh be very tediousesh to type out very singleish time you want to talkesh and say anythingush important. It also soundsesh pretty stupidesh innitesh doeish? Ahem, so! Yes, I think that Skrell could either have a different (less corny) speech pattern instead of the current. Or if the lore was changed so Skrell only slur slightly, and it is left to the person's imagination instead of typing it out. I imagine Skrell to be super-intelligent cool aliens who sound non-human but not like jabba the hut. But yes, this speech pattern legit ruins the image of Skrell for me. Not intensely, but still.

W-where the hell is that from? XD

Added in a few more details.

Thanks Frances, I loves your drawings too! They're really professional. Lhinton Lovely.

>tfw when erik does not already have a synthetic whitelist. Erik plays detailed and interesting characters. I'd like to see this applied to an IPC. Yes please. +1

Feedback on Elizabeth Hawthorne or Penny Islington?

It is a book. There are a few ripped diary pages that are taken out of a book. It is written on lined paper and is written with black ink. The handwriting is cursive, and would match Camile Crafter's handwriting by 98% certainty. 15th April 2457 20th April 2457 28th April 2457 1st May 2457 5th May 2457 7th May 2457 8th May 2457 9th May 2457 10th May 2457 11th May 2457 12th May 2457 Notes from CSI/Forensics: Camile Crafter's diary, found next to her body in her apartment in her living room in Sol, England on the 12th May 2015. Her time of death is 9:34pm. She was lying at her desk, presumably writing in her diary before she died. Cause of death is speculated to be a malfunction of her mechanical heart, the mechanical pericardium showed signs of damage and was leaking blood - leading to internal bleeding. There are no signs of a homicide.

That's a straw man. It's not being put in the brig that rustles RP'ers jimmies here, it's -how- they're often put into the brig. Over-zealous sec, sec who gank, and so many issues similar to such that is actually causing bad RP incidents. It's a game. You're supposed to have some element of fun otherwise it is not a game, but rather some strange second life filled with self-inserts; which is something we need to avoid because it causes mountains of problems. Our fun isn't goon or tg-tier fun, it's HRP fun. A group of individuals roleplaying with each other, and making a story with each other which is interesting. That's my perception of it anyway. Goes both ways Susan. Why not sacrifice your desire to "eliminate all threats" and actually roleplay situations of conflict? Wanna get over that? >stun bolts I've always had the opinion that people who use lasers in non-ad-hoc situations are bad security, and it still stands even to this day. *Unnecessarily turning to lethals in unnecessary situations. Playing to win mentality. Ruining experiences of antags who are there to actually make an antag round interesting. *A player channelling rudeness through their character, and by doing so blurs the distinction between IC and OOC. I can like rude/dysfunctional characters. It's easy to tell the difference.

Actually, some of these conflicts did originate with OOC chatter and civil discussion you know? Obviously it doesn't always work out when people are unwilling to compromise or admit they were wrong, and here we are.

This whole "witch hunt" labeling sounds a lot more like "Don't you dare criticize or get angry at my friends" than "Wow, I actually care about the state of the community and everyone getting along". Because if it was the latter people would not only just try to calm down the "mob" (or so called) but rather see if they could convince the "target" from causing shit with so many people. My two cents on that.