Make Mining Mediocre.

[DronzTheWolf]

As of now, the best KA mining can get is a Class D. Now, given the update just dropped, not everyone has experienced the new KA system, but one thing that does irk me, just as a concept, is that mining can't even reach mediocrity without the help of Science. It's one thing to make all the high-teir upgrades a Science only thing, but to make it so that you can't reach an average is a bit much. This is less of making mining want inter-departmental relations for maximum efficiency and more of making mining become dependent on Science to do anything but be below average.

[Kaed]

Haven't you heard? Mining is science's bitch. If you take away their dependency on science, then they might start thinking things about independence!

In all seriousness, they should be encouraged to bring back some materials to science before they get anything particularly good.

[DronzTheWolf]

particularly good.

 

I'm not even asking for good, I'm asking for average. So mining can still be worth playing when there's no Science on.

[Pratepresidenten]

You can just yank out the upgrade chip in the class D KA and you're fine. Its not like a whole lot has changed. This change was for the better if you ask me, more versatility and all that. Just get gud materials for science, and you get something that could destroy a ton in return. The new mods are ridiculously good.

If there is no science, well, you're still pretty good with whats given in the points dispenser!

[BurgerBB]

I'm ashamed to admit that I'm doing a bit of an experiment with this PR. People wanted mining to rely on science. I thought this was a shitty idea since science is unreliable, but a lot of people are claiming everything will go fine.

If by the end of the week I am seeing science not giving a shit about mining,, I will move most kinetic accelerator upgrades back to the machine and remove the reliance on mining.

[Guest Menown]

If there is no science, well, you're still pretty good with whats given in the points dispenser!

 

This shouldn't be the "at the very least" as the items in the vendor aren't nowhere near what there was in the past. Literally a nerf to something that didn't actually need nerfing. Mining is the Blackbeard of Aurora.

[Kaed]

I'm ashamed to admit that I'm doing a bit of an experiment with this PR. People wanted mining to rely on science. I thought this was a shitty idea since science is unreliable, but a lot of people are claiming everything will go fine.

If by the end of the week I am seeing science not giving a shit about mining,, I will move most kinetic accelerator upgrades back to the machine and remove the reliance on mining.

 

if there is a problem like this there are better ways to encourage them to work together than silently doing this and expecting the interdepartmental animosity to evaporate without warning over a week.

[Coalf]

"Just because one miner is incompetent or doesn't want to provide materials, doesn't mean you have to hate the whole department."

"Man science is shit, this dude didn't give me upgrades!"

Co-dependance, science can't make upgrades or progress properly until they get materials, mining can't progress properly without science making upgrades. Provide half the materials, demand an upgrade, deliver rest of materials after an upgrade is provided.

This is called, interaction.

In essence, firing pins for mining and as developers agree firings pins weren't a bad idea, no?

Jokes aside I do agree with Dronz, the KA needs to be a TAD bit stronger or atleast enough not to make mining a death march but more of an inconvenience without the upgrades. Something you don't NEED but would be great help to have.

Removing the whole thing would be idiotic, it IS on the correct way however it still needs to be fine-tuned as with every PR that hits live.

[Guest Menown]

I was originally in favor of a redesign for this, but Burger's fix has changed my mind.

The Basic KA, in its current state has been changed to have four shots, and better range with a shit fire rate. That's perfectly okay because it's a good basis for mining. Then you slap some upgrades on from the D-Class and just move from there.

Once you get to Research Levels of equipment, things get going exponentially, as in the minerals flow like water. It'd be nice to have them accessible without research, but from a balance standpoint it's probably better if they're not, and kept within research to be designed and distributed.

[Saudus]

If by the end of the week I am seeing science not giving a shit about mining,, I will move most kinetic accelerator upgrades back to the machine and remove the reliance on mining.

 

A week really seems quite fast, please consider doing moving the upgrades back in waves (corresponding to their item tier or sth) or taking a bit longer than that.

[Pacmandevil]

I still insist that mining has no need to hand deliver materials to scientists who are perfectly capable of walking down to cargo.

Regardless, Kinetic accelerators are low tier mining. real professionals use the mining charges, pickaxes, about 9 ore bags, and a jetpack.