BurgerB's Permaban Unappeal

[BurgerBB]

54 minutes ago, Sharp said:

Neither a verbal warning or a discord warning. First because I tend to not do verbal warnings, I prefer something is written down as proof. Second because you can't give discord warnings to staff.

I previously maintained my own database for staff members, imagine a note system for players but this one included activity, productivity, issues they had and so on for the majority of staff. Coalf had actual warnings, which became less of an issue as time went as Coalf showed improvement, could also call them strikes as they could have gotten him punished/demoted/kicked like other previous members of staff who have even been banned and removed from the team. So yes, I said Coalf is fiesty, is was a con amidst a lot of pros to his character, though I have never used that an excuse for anything, nor anything close in regards to anyone else.

 

I've never accepted my own so called immunity to the rules, even forcing a trial mod to apply a note they mentioned might be warranted for me because. I don't really accept the notion you've presented in how I've handled things.

I still think that coalf was too feisty for his own good. I mean he's just a loredev now so it doesn't matter much but if you actually gave him warnings for it then I guess that's fine?

[BurgerBB]

But yeah if Coalf is the line for improvement then I'm pretty sure I meet that criteria as well. Everyone and their dog admitted that I became dev that my behavior improved. I still think it's improved, and a single argument on discord ruined that however because I was dealing with some stressful shit.

So I'm still going to complain, comparatively, I am definitely not the person I once was and that the ban request was created in a knee jerk reaction spite and the ban itself wasn't thought out. If Coalf and others can insult users directly on discord and I get a permaban for calling bad antags shit atangs, regardless of who they are, then there is something wrong there.

I think it all makes sense when you realise how inactive Trish is because I think they're basing all their evidence and shit on what I used to be instead of what I currently am.

[Scheveningen]

Whenever you get close to recognizing a problem, you always repeat this same pattern of throwing the blame onto others as an excuse for your own behavior. This isn't something a rational, well-adjusted adult does. If you're content to behave like a child, then you shouldn't be terribly surprised when you get treated like one.

3 hours ago, BurgerBB said:

Enough with your fucking stupid psychoanalysis you absolutely insufferable human being. Stop pretending to be a mod, seriously. I'm going to keep saying this every time you assume something about me, regardless of its truth (hint, it's usually always false).

This is an instance where you're helping in proving the exact same points of the individuals who have arguments for allowing the ban to stick. And yeah, actually, I am right in this instance, you are wrong. The truth stings and you can try to bury it as much as you like but it's not gonna happen. I'm also not going to stop commenting just because you say so, because I have plenty relevant reason to comment especially when you continue to name-drop me. You don't have to be a moderator to post here, btw. I'm not going to go away just because you insist I should. For as long as you persist to behave the way you do and continue trying to change how history actually went down with you, I'm going to call you on it. Specifically because of your insistence that this be the standard of treatment between other community members:

 

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Like I don't know how to actually express this with being a dick, but I'm pretty fucking sick of kids treating me like a child or some object to be analyzed or whatever and giving me a 12 step plan that no one asked for. I thought I've made it very clear in the past that I'm not interested in listening to people who do this sort of thing. I mean for christ sakes, the ban request was made in the first place because I said "No, I disagree." when 3 people dogpiled me about how I'm a terrible person.

And the irony isn't lost on me. I'm giving advice on how people need to improve as an antag and people are getting annoyed. People are giving me advice on how to improve as a person and I'm getting annoyed. However, just ask yourself which one of those is the most detrimental to one's sanity.

 

So here is a good deal: I will tell people to fuck straight off if they attempt to psychoanalyze me or give their ten cents that no one asked for or needed as to why I'm hated by people. I expect people to do the exact same if I give antag advice that they do not ask for.

How about you go away? Have you ever considered that, perhaps, going away? This community is obviously not the right one for you. Go finish off that project you had and market it as SS13 with blackjack and hookers and go make your own community with its own standards and see how it goes for you. I genuinely think you'd be better off doing your own thing.

No, seriously, how about you ask Tishina/Drago in DMs the two following questions, and then bring the logs forward;

3 hours ago, BurgerBB said:

• Was Shev's history every considered at any point at all when they made the complaint?
• Which information in Shev's complaint was a factor in my ban?

Because I'd love to see how they compare me to you. 

You have pathetically weak arguments if you have to resort to, "WHAT ABOUT SCHEV, WHAT ABOUT HIS HISTORY?!" and "sToP pSyChOaNaLyZiNg mE" as the best possible defense for yourself. 

Edited April 15, 2019 by Scheveningen

[BurgerBB]

I don't blame others. That is literally in one of the points I made that you are currently conveniently ignoring.

When we're talking about punishments I'm going to point out that when people have misbehaved in the past, and nothing was done to curb their behavior other than a simple verbal warning or none at all, then I'm going to point that out. The reason why I'm talking about the behavior of others is because this is a permanent ban. When people are doing something extremely similar to what I'm doing, like you're currently doing, and they don't get a permaban or a ban, then I'm going to point that out to justify that I should not get a permanent ban.

You're ignoring everything I said, even if it's in point forum except for the part about you. Your history is super important considering how out of nowhere your ban request was and how malicious you act out on a whim if it suits you. You were all flowers and roses up until the argument. Even when I allegedly acted malicious towards garn about lying about something, you privately messaged me on discord saying that I should probably lay of on garn because you don't want to see me banned. Not because I lied.

So honestly just stop. Go away. I've told you I don't want to hear what you have to say. It's clear at this point that you're only saying these things for an audience that isn't the admins.

[Scheveningen]

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Explain exactly how I'm the one that's the malicious person.

Don't forget this nonsense either when you made this comparison directed to me, since we're discussing things that happened a year ago. How's your attitude changed since then, if we're gonna talk about how super important our histories are?

Edited April 15, 2019 by Scheveningen

[BurgerBB]

Hard yikes.

[Lady Fowl]

This isnt really going anywhere besides both of you arguing at this point. I am going to lock this for the time being. If you have actual further relevent information, pm me or tish it on discord

[TishinaStalker]

After discussing the matter, Drago and I have decided to deny this appeal. This is primarily because with the attitude displayed in this appeal, nothing has changed since the ban, and that's the main reason for the ban in the first place. When your behavior has changed and you feel you're ready to appeal, you can go ahead and do that once more after a month.

[Yonnimer]

Locking and archiving this