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BYOND Key: XanderDox
Staff BYOND Key: NursieKitty
Game ID: b3C-cH6D
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So. I was the Captain. It was midround. Suddenly, my Head of Personnel began shooting me in the bridge with no pre-"I'm gonna shoot you" roleplay, whatever. I sprint away and open fire myself. I end up collapsing but being able to call Security. The HOP is now friendly and not under the vampire's mind control, but I am still trying to get away from her, I take a few steps and then immediately get tasered by a Cadet, who tries to drag me into maintenance after that. I get away and call Security again. Security arrives.

Now, a gardener grabs me and bites into my neck and begins drinking my blood in front of everyone, at the same time, a medical doctor's eyes flash and blinds everyone on the scene. The gardener screams, damaging all of the glass nearby and our ears. I escape after Security successfully spooks the  hostiles off.

This ALL happened outside the Consular Office, within the span of literally three minutes. I declared it a mutiny as it seemed to be a purposeful and coordinated attempt by bio-modified indvidiuals to kidnap/kill me. After being treated, I heard that the HOS was arming security, of which there were about two active and effective officers. I decided to go and get a better gun and armour, because the target of the hostiles was clearly me.

None of the riot armour had been touched or asked for, and since a majority of the attacks on me were stunning and then physical attacks like punching and biting, I decided riot armour would probably be the best bet for my safety. After I got that on, and grabbed a carbine, I headed to Aux Security to supervise the detainment of a hostile and the rescue of an officer. I did not fire my gun or partake in the arrest at all, and after it was handled I left and headed immediately to the bridge to announce the situation.

Cue Nursie's PMing me, enforcing her very narrow and shallow view that riot gear can ONLY ever be used by people that are front lining, and as a Captain cannot front line, I should return it. She does this by explaining what a Captain should think, and I respond by explaining what my Captain thinks. NOTE: In an RP-based game, if every role was REQUIRED to be a carbon copy of one another and have no individual personality or actions, it would be boring as feck.

Now, she 'recommends' that I return the armour, and I tell her I will not be doing that and explain why, but do add that if she orders me to return it I will - because listening to staff is important. She then rudely enforces her view and says 'I'll repeat myself', and tells me I have to return the armour.

I returned it and the gun, and then cryo'd and came to make this complaint. Why did I cryo? Because 100% of the enjoyment of a round is sucked dry by a staff member purposefully and specifically enforcing their own view and opinion as the ultimate and sole way to roleplay and make decisions, something I think Nursie does a lot to people - but this complaint is only about this incident. I was basically barred by Nursie from wearing any armour aside from my captain provided stab-vest, despite an active mutiny going on by super modified biological fuckers, and thus I was being handicapped by an OOC matter and could no longer enjoy the game because I was basically a walking duck to be murdered.

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I'm inserting this screenshot for the first sentence that Garn utters in it, specifically: Administrative action is only ever reactive.

I do not think that Nursie's treatment of me in this bwoink as reactive, but rather she assigned the idea of 'front-lining' to a set of armour, and because of that personal opinion, blanket-banned an entire role from wearing it outside of any context at any time, which is seriously ridiculous.


Also, @nursiekitty I don't know if you have seen this yet.

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1 hour ago, Azande said:

I'm inserting this screenshot for the first sentence that Garn utters in it, specifically: Administrative action is only ever reactive.

I do not think that Nursie's treatment of me in this bwoink as reactive, but rather she assigned the idea of 'front-lining' to a set of armour, and because of that personal opinion, blanket-banned an entire role from wearing it outside of any context at any time, which is seriously ridiculous.

Stop mining quotes of me to suit your agenda. Its really fucking annoying. 

I will clarify that statement. What i meant to say was staff action is almost always reactive in the sense that an ahelp comes in and then staff investigate it. This is because most of us tab out and play other games or are otherwise indisposed while we are on server. Proactive administration requires a supreme amount of effort that we are both unable and unwilling to pursue. I have spoken on this relationship a number of times over the years and it is usually in answer of a specific argument. An argument along the lines of "well its ok if this thing makes X behavior more likely because X behavior is against the rules!". Yes that is true but by the time we bwoink someone and dole out punishment the damage is already done and the round has already been shaped by it. We must develop and mold the server around this.

 

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1 minute ago, Garnascus said:

Stop mining quotes of me to suit your agenda. Its really fucking annoying. 

I will clarify that statement. What i meant to say was staff action is almost always reactive in the sense that an ahelp comes in and then staff investigate it. This is because most of us tab out and play other games or are otherwise indisposed while we are on server. Proactive administration requires a supreme amount of effort that we are both unable and unwilling to pursue. I have spoken on this relationship a number of times over the years and it is usually in answer of a specific argument. An argument along the lines of "well its ok if this thing makes X behavior more likely because X behavior is against the rules!". Yes that is true but by the time we bwoink someone and dole out punishment the damage is already done and the round has already been shaped by it. We must develop and mold the server around this.

 

There was no mining, I was reading a thread and found it. Don't make statements in response to things as the HEAD ADMIN if you do not want to be quoted in admin complaints, fair? 

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There is absolutely no public staff policy available to players for us to cite when reporting staff - the best thing we can do is go off the utterances of their immediate superiors, the Head Staff - that includes you, Alb, Arrow, Skull, and to a lesser extent the CCIA Lead and Lore Lead over their respective areas. This is a separate issue entirely, but perhaps if staff policy was actually posted somewhere - players wouldn't have to divine what, if any, standards that staff are held to.

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8 minutes ago, Azande said:

There was no mining, I was reading a thread and found it. Don't make statements in response to things as the HEAD ADMIN if you do not want to be quoted in admin complaints, fair? 

 

If you think about the statement i made for like two minutes you might think "oh well... its kinda weird if staff is only ever reactive... that doesnt make a whole lot of sense.... surely its possible to be proactive?". I am not always going to make perfect statements. I will correct you when you inappropriately try to use what i say.

6 minutes ago, Azande said:

There is absolutely no public staff policy available to players for us to cite when reporting staff

This is not about policy or conduct. Its just a phenomenon of how the system works.

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My stance has not changed.

Riot armor is for people on the front line, and the only people who should be on the front line are security officers, and on occasion, the head of security, and never the captain. You would have been perfectly safe with the bridge locked down, and should not have been hoarding a set of riot gear for your own use when there could have very well been an officer who needed it more, regardless of what had been claimed or not claimed by that point.

 

I understand that your character was frightened, but captains are loyalty implanted and would still hold policy in higher regard.

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9 minutes ago, nursiekitty said:

My stance has not changed.

Riot armor is for people on the front line, and the only people who should be on the front line are security officers, and on occasion, the head of security, and never the captain. You would have been perfectly safe with the bridge locked down, and should not have been hoarding a set of riot gear for your own use when there could have very well been an officer who needed it more, regardless of what had been claimed or not claimed by that point.

 

I understand that your character was frightened, but captains are loyalty implanted and would still hold policy in higher regard.

IC Policy also says the Captain has ultimate operational authority - and that includes deciding if he gets to wear armour or not.

There was not an officer that wanted or needed it more, I was in game - interacting and playing. When the officers were armed, none of them asked the HOS for riot gear. One vaguely asked him for ballistic gear by pointing at the ballistic gear closet. I was not depriving any Officer of riot gear, and was never asked ICly for it by the HOS or an Officer.

I was attacked by a member of science, a member of medical, a member of command and a member of security - at the same time. I still believe I was fully warranted to be heavily geared. I watched a human being scream so loud that they shattered windows and deafened everyone in sight. It was not simply a 'oh no I was assaulted' situation.

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23 minutes ago, Azande said:

IC Policy also says the Captain has ultimate operational authority - and that includes deciding if he gets to wear armour or not.

That is irrelevant. This thread is not about IC policy.

 

1 hour ago, Azande said:

There was not an officer that wanted or needed it more, I was in game - interacting and playing. When the officers were armed, none of them asked the HOS for riot gear. One vaguely asked him for ballistic gear by pointing at the ballistic gear closet. I was not depriving any Officer of riot gear, and was never asked ICly for it by the HOS or an Officer.

I was attacked by a member of science, a member of medical, a member of command and a member of security - at the same time. I still believe I was fully warranted to be heavily geared. I watched a human being scream so loud that they shattered windows and deafened everyone in sight. It was not simply a 'oh no I was assaulted' situation.

I recall you telling me just as much in the ahelp. I hold regardless that the riot armor should be reserved for characters who would be on the front line of assault, which is, again, not the captain. I was in the round and I am aware of what happened to your character, but my stance remains the same.

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This absolutely is about IC policy as you are the one that brought it up and also attempted to tell me my character wasn't acting as my character would be acting as a Captain.

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14 hours ago, nursiekitty said:

I understand that your character was frightened, but captains are loyalty implanted and would still hold policy in higher regard.

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That is irrelevant. This thread is not about IC policy.


And to be clear, your brought up policy first.

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I questioned whether I should weigh in here. I was the HoP that was antag verb spammed that round, and wound up getting a dominate that just said "Attack the Captain. Do it now!"

Xanders Captain got beat by me, shot by me, stunned by an officer, fed on by a vampire (which he wouldn't remember, but I was screaming she had bit him.), and had another vampire flash his eyes. The Captain was, rightfully, thinking the crew was trying to over-throw him and take over with some kind of biological, mechanical advantage.

I never saw the riot gear as a problem. Honestly, the Loyalty Implant keeps you loyal to the company, and replacing a Captain would cost them so much money. That's years of dedication lost. Years of training gone. Crew morale out the window. Bad PR for the company if the mutiny succeeded. The LI'd have triggered him into protecting himself.

Locking the Bridge down doesn't work. There's a back entrance, from the bunker, that my HoP knows very well. It doesn't lock down when the Bridge's lockdown goes down. He wasn't safe anywhere with a HoP that could easily gain all access.

He had to protect himself, and there was nowhere to run.

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I find myself agreeing with the premise here. I feel like if you have a reason to wear armor you can wear whatever armor you want. That should be an IC issue. Help me out if i am missing stuff because xander griefed my minecraft server so i do not want to agree with them. 

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If Garnascus believes that your captain did nothing wrong in this scenario, I will respect his decision and have no further issue.

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As a note - the goal of this complaint is to make it clear that this is alright conduct for a captain, and to have any note related to this incident expunged.

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