Remove the clause that prohibits Sec employees from also being TCFL volunteers

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Ert is a private armed force for hire. Its a mercenary army. Thats objectively what it is. Calling itself asset protection is a PR move. What you think about its commmand structure is wrong. https://academipmc.weebly.com/ranking.html

A simple google search reinforced what i already know. The majority of PMCs larp being military with all the same ranks. Theyre just sell outs with no loyalties. 

Please review this re:ert.

For regular sec i still say no. You already have an alphabet soup of armies to come from.  Leave the TCFL to the rest of us. 

Edited November 21, 2019 by Marlon Phoenix

[Nantei]

7 hours ago, Marlon Phoenix said:

No it doesnt. A big chunk of bartenders and chefs leaving to deploy with their unit isnt the same kind of security issue as if chunks of your security call out, leaving your security staff undermanned.

I would say Engineering, Medical, and Science are all dramatically worse for leaving en-masse to deploy. Security is probably the most replaceable department overall, excluding Cargo. 

"Leave the TCFL to the rest of us."

This seems like the real motive TBH. You can apply the same alphabet soup logic to literally every department. How is this at all a convincing argument for why Security should be excluded? Seems like bad tribalism.

Edited November 21, 2019 by Nantei

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

I provided more than that argument. It was one of several.

[canon35]

I think I gotta agree with KOTP and Carver here. TCFL characters should exist largely by themselves with no overlap with station personnel. It's the same stuff we used to have with ex-ERT characters or people signing on as ERT as their non station characters. I fail to see why we should allow this criss crossing when it's just another excuse for having some training you could handwave in your records.

That being said, I do think people should be allowed to make old characters members of the TCFL if they wish: Just don't ever play them on station again. 

 

[Scheveningen]

That's not what the wiki says, Marlon...

I think there's a stronger argument for not having TCFL vols. among crew, it makes more consistent sense that way.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Good catch on that oversight. Well fix it.

[AmoryBlaine]

That works too. Ex-TCFL only, no active volunteer characters that aren't visitors.

[GreenBoi]

On 19/11/2019 at 17:08, Brutishcrab51 said:

Why would it be publicly acceptable for NanoTrasen to say that its security employees can't work with the Tau Ceti Foreign Legion because it would split their support. On the one hand, you have the Federal Republic of Biesel, a stellar nation. On the other hand, you have a private corporate entity.

If we're going to passively say that NT can dictate the rights or activities of people, it should be reflected in lore articles and talks that they are dystopic and corporatocratic. If Biesel kowtows to NT, then it should be known that they bend over for a corporate entity. Not "yeah it happens sometimes but really guys we're an anti-corruption republic"

Literally everything you said is exactly what NT does.

 

Biesel's government is heavily influenced by NT and they technically would have never become independent from Sol if not for the megacorp to begin with. As Marlon said, TCFL is meant to be a different unit from NT's forces because Biesel relies too much on NT and the government is trying to make themselves at least somewhat capable in certain aspects. They saw firsthand what happens when NT-ERT does not want to help, like in the Sol Invasion where the fleet took over the capital in just an hour or so.

 

For TCFL to mingle in NTSec and have such split loyalties is something Biesel would not need to deal with. If they can't have TCFL engineers respond, who cares? They're going to reconstruct eventually- people will always come for engineering eventually. If they can't have TCFL medics respond, who cares? There's always hospitals and medical ships around. If they can't have TCFL Fighters respond? Now that's a problem because they have no alternatives.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

21 hours ago, GreenBoi said:

Biesel's government is heavily influenced by NT and they technically would have never become independent from Sol if not for the megacorp to begin with. As Marlon said, TCFL is meant to be a different unit from NT's forces because Biesel relies too much on NT and the government is trying to make themselves at least somewhat capable in certain aspects. They saw firsthand what happens when NT-ERT does not want to help, like in the Sol Invasion where the fleet took over the capital in just an hour or so.

This