Guest BoxWulf Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 Hello! We have a problem in Medical with the Emergency Physicians being identified as emergency responders. Too many times I’ve seen regular doctors and even CMOs expecting EPs to go out into space to fetch miners when it’s really not in their title. I’m not saying that if there’s a lack of paramedics no one should step up, but it shouldn’t be expected. My suggestion is simple: Rename the title to Trauma Physician, signifying their role to maintain the GTR to handle severe patients being admitted. Also, if possible, rename or change the color, or BOTH, of their jacket. People see paramedic jacket and automatically assume “paramedic” which really isn’t their fault.
The lancer Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 I agree, this will make it easier to distinguish between the two.
furrycactus Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 I can't agree more for this, I'll even work on it myself if needed. Emergency Physicians are too often confused with Paramedics or EMTs, and thus expected to do their job, when their job is to be the one that first responders hand their patient off to as soon as they reach the medical bay, as well as managing the ICU and critical cases for either patient care or for surgery if proper staff are lacking or occupied. Huge +1, I'll even start the damn PR myself when I get the chance tomorrow.
SierraKomodo Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 https://github.com/Aurorastation/Aurora.3/pull/7947
JMJ_99 Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 Can you not just change the Jacket to a lab coat instead? For starters I see people mistaking "Trauma Physician" as Trauma Surgeon
Guest BoxWulf Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, JMJ_99 said: Can you not just change the Jacket to a lab coat instead? For starters I see people mistaking "Trauma Physician" as Trauma Surgeon I would rather them be mistaken for a proper doctor than a paramedic, yes. Also, not everyone utilizes the custom load out screen but I’m more than fine with them starting out with a lab coat or none at all and just the basic scrubs as a normal emergency room physician would wear. Edited January 7, 2020 by BoxWulf
Guest BoxWulf Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, SierraKomodo said: https://github.com/Aurorastation/Aurora.3/pull/7947 I see you made the title: Trauma Surgeon, I standby Trauma Physician to be a better title.
JMJ_99 Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, BoxWulf said: I would rather them be mistaken for a proper doctor than a paramedic, yes. Also, not everyone utilizes the custom load out screen but I’m more than fine with them starting out with a lab coat or none at all and just the basic scrubs as a normal emergency room physician would wear. They are proper doctors. EPs are trained in Emergency Medicine, and they are capable of first response
furrycactus Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, SierraKomodo said: https://github.com/Aurorastation/Aurora.3/pull/7947 Trauma Physician would be preferable to Trauma Surgeon, as that somewhat implies a higher qualification than Surgeons, though they're qualified for less.
Guest BoxWulf Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JMJ_99 said: They are proper doctors. EPs are trained in Emergency Medicine, and they are capable of first response I maintain that it doesn’t make much sense for a doctor to be expected to provide first response because they specialize in stabilization. Most Emergency Physicians have nurses to set up IVs, ~perform tracheotomies~, and order complex medication for stabilization. Actually, I’m unsure if Nurses are qualified to do such, I know that paramedics can. Anyone in Medical can provide first response if needed, but it shouldn’t be expected as a proper role. Edited January 7, 2020 by BoxWulf Actually, I’m unsure if nurses can perform Trachs. Edit: yes they can, I’m thinking intubation.
furrycactus Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, JMJ_99 said: They are proper doctors. EPs are trained in Emergency Medicine, and they are capable of first response Their designation as a "first responder" is due to them supposed to be being the ones that first receive a patient immediately from a Paramedic or EMT, they're not meant to be running out and doing first response and EVA retireval.
JMJ_99 Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BoxWulf said: I maintain that it doesn’t make much sense for a doctor to be expected to provide first response because they specialize in stabilization. Most Emergency Physicians have nurses to set up IVs, perform tracheotomies, and order complex medication for stabilization. Anyone in Medical can provide first response if needed, but it shouldn’t be expected as a proper role. I'm not saying they should be doing I'm saying they can do it. Nurses Hang and start IVs, but it's the doctor that does Crics, intubation, central lines and gives orders to the Nurses. Edited January 7, 2020 by JMJ_99
Guest BoxWulf Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, JMJ_99 said: I'm not saying they should be doing I'm saying they can do it. Nurses Hang and start IVs, but it's the doctor that does Crics, intubation, central lines and give orders to the Nurses. Again, anyone in Medical can and should provide emergency response if there’s no active paramedic but it shouldn’t be EXPECTED of a trauma physician.
JMJ_99 Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, BoxWulf said: Again, anyone in Medical can and should provide emergency response if there’s no active paramedic but it shouldn’t be EXPECTED of a trauma physician. I agree with you, but trauma physician is going to be mistaken for trauma surgeon(As it already has in the PR that was just made). People see them as Paramedics because they have the jacket, thats what should be changed. I've had this happen to me with my Emergency Med resident, I was called EMT and paramedic but when I started using a labcoat instead that stopped
Guest BoxWulf Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JMJ_99 said: I agree with you, but trauma physician is going to be mistaken for trauma surgeon(As it already has in the PR that was just made). People see them as Paramedics because they have the jacket, thats what should be changed. I've had this happen to me with my Emergency Med resident, I was called EMT and paramedic but when I started using a labcoat instead that stopped I agree about the coat but respectfully disagree about the title. People see “emergency” and automatically assume “response.” I personally think this will be one of the minute, subtle changes that improve RP-quality. Edited January 7, 2020 by BoxWulf
furrycactus Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 It happens because of the similarities between Emergency Physician and Emergency Medical Technician. At an initial glance, a lot of people just jump on the word "Emergency". I always ditch the paramedic jacket on my own EP as well, but it does little to stem the tide of "Paramedic go do this" from other people or "You're on response" from CMOs. If people don't confuse Emergency Physician with Emergency Surgeon, they're not going to confuse Trauma Physician with Trauma Surgeon, unless we name them that, which we shouldn't. But, even so, they ARE surgically qualified for bones, AB, and foreign object removal.
JMJ_99 Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 1 minute ago, furrycactus said: It happens because of the similarities between Emergency Physician and Emergency Medical Technician. At an initial glance, a lot of people just jump on the word "Emergency". I always ditch the paramedic jacket on my own EP as well, but it does little to stem the tide of "Paramedic go do this" from other people or "You're on response" from CMOs. If people don't confuse Emergency Physician with Emergency Surgeon, they're not going to confuse Trauma Physician with Trauma Surgeon, unless we name them that, which we shouldn't. But, even so, they ARE surgically qualified for bones, AB, and foreign object removal. Emergency Surgeon doesn't exist, Trauma Physician doesn't, Trauma Surgeon does. It's explained in the wiki that you shouldn't be doing the EMT or Paramedics job and really CMO's should know better
Guest BoxWulf Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, JMJ_99 said: Emergency Surgeon doesn't exist, Trauma Physician doesn't, Trauma Surgeon does. It's explained in the wiki that you shouldn't be doing the EMT or Paramedics job and really CMO's should know better I think furrycactus is making a point that if no one mistakes the already existing role of emergency physician as emergency surgeon, no one will make the inference that trauma physician will be trauma surgeon. Removing the word “emergency” is paramount to get people to stop associating EPs as default first responders. also, a quote from the wiki since you mentioned it: “The Emergency Medical Physician as a role is an extremely important one. You are in charge of medbay's ICU and ensuring any critical patients are quickly stabilized so they can be handed off to surgeons or the other doctors.” It literally says to stay in the ICU unless there is no paramedic, which is fine, but again, it shouldn’t be *assumed* also, why does the wiki’s first line for staying in their lane call them EMTs? That must be an error.
SierraKomodo Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 Changed to Trauma Physician since that seems to be the current consensus on what to name it. It's easy to name back if people change their minds.
Guest BoxWulf Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 1 minute ago, SierraKomodo said: Changed to Trauma Physician since that seems to be the current consensus on what to name it. It's easy to name back if people change their minds. You are wonderful.
Doxxmedearly Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 Yeah, pretty good, makes sense. Less confusion, for sure. which makes it friendlier for people newer to medical or the server.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 Good idea. As an EP player in medical the department comes off like my nagging wife Karen texting on her twitter device when they tell me to run out and save people No Karen i stay here in the icu
JMJ_99 Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 Try telling them you don't want to do first response? EPs are still the most qualified to do it after Parameds and EMTs
Guest BoxWulf Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Marlon Phoenix said: Good idea. As an EP player in medical the department comes off like my nagging wife Karen texting on her twitter device when they tell me to run out and save people No Karen i stay here in the icu Sorry, Karen is the CMO and just suspended/IR’d you for not responding to the cadet who just ate a k’ois bar. GG.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, JMJ_99 said: Try telling them you don't want to do first response? EPs are still the most qualified to do it after Parameds and EMTs No im not. Im a regular doctor that focuses on trauma. MPs might as well run out there. You sound like my wife!
Recommended Posts