Estoytrucha Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 Hello, I am a long time player of the Aurora at this point, having played since February. One of my main characters is a miner named Tabor Janssens (AKA The Mountain), but unfortunately, I might have to retire him completely for a simple reason. MESONS were the only thing that made a lot of the map/events actually playable for me. You see, I have Retinitis Pigmentosa. It's a genetic eye disease that ultimately ends in my vision looking like the image I am going to attach. Before this purge went through, I was actually going to submit a special request for all of my characters to have access to mesons. If that meant I could never antag again, I was willing to consider it. It's an accessibility issue for me. In many ways, it was the only way I could play certain game modes, and I find it heartbreaking that this solution was tried first instead of instance disabling, or forcing MESONS to adapt to a vision cone. Neither would have been a problem for me. Failing that, at least having something in place to replace the item and the light/ability to see it afforded would have been less.. well, a proverbial slap to the face. Please, I love this game. It's one of the few that I can still play pretty well that has any multiplayer aspect at all. If you need more information on the disease, as it is real, please see: https://www.nei.nih.gov/learn-about-eye-health/eye-conditions-and-diseases/retinitis-pigmentosa#:~:text=Retinitis pigmentosa (RP) is a,of side (peripheral) vision.
Myazaki Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 I'll have a think about solutions. I've read through the link you provided, can you help me be clear on exactly why mesons helped you? - Is it mainly the screen brightening effect? Why is the meson vision effect preferable versus changing monitor brightness or similar?
DatSamTho Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 This is really a problem. People with disabilities often aren't considered (Or, due to the size of this community, never; which of course, is understandable) but that really doesn't mean that those people shouldn't be excluded out of a large part of the game due to the disability, if it is able to be overcome (Mesons, in this case) obviously this wasn't meant to have this effect. As I said, probably wasn't thought through. But (and again, thanks to the size of this community) change is possible. So I would be all for a mesons rework, and even if not that; it being too much work for appeasing just one person, then simply keeping it in the game files, and as Estoy suggested granting their characters mesons, which I'm sure they'd be more than happy to do, even if it meant closer oversight by the admins or even as they said removing their ability to antag.
Myazaki Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, tomkiel said: removing their ability to antag. Antagonists can still acquire mesons from their uplinks, the issues the removal PR wanted to address are more to do with people using them as non-antagonists or using them against antagonists.
DatSamTho Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 Oh psh, I'm writing this really late, so sorry for any mistakes I might've made
Doc Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 I have trouble understanding what exactly it is about the mesons that help you cope with this. Could you elaborate some more? To clarify, mesons weren't removed because they don't comply with vision cones- I don't think that was an aspect that was even considered, honestly. They were removed because engineers and to a lesser extent other roles were using them to look for changes in the station's structure- walls being deconstructed, girder bridges being built, windows being broken- in order to spot antags, or to hunt down and cheese through derelicts and dungeons to gain all of the loot with none of the risk. It's very difficult to change mesons in any way that keeps them 'useful' while not allowing that kind of abuse to happen, as seeing those changes is literally exactly what mesons are intended to do, just not for validhunting or powergaming purposes.
Estoytrucha Posted August 25, 2020 Author Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) The contrast and screen brightening was marked with mesons, but it wasn't so bad that it gave me headaches. Mostly it made outlines stand out and helped me identify sprites without confusing them. If it was as simple as switching my accessibility settings in my computer, I would have done it already. Further brightening my screen would make it hurt too much to use my machine without sunglasses, Also, Mesons cut out midshades and shadows that I literally cannot detect some days and helped me filter out noise/unecessary lines. I'm also going to say this, my eyes will often use partial details in things like shadows and input actual hallucinations into my brain of what it assumes /should/ be there, so they are very unhelpful for me in game. It's very easy for me to confuse one object for another without enough unambiguous lit space around it. I still find it ironic that I'm photosenstitive and can't see in the dark, ngl. Edited August 25, 2020 by Estoytrucha Addendum
Myazaki Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Estoytrucha said: Was that clear? I think so. I'll have a tinker with things and see if I can come up with a solution. Thanks.
HouseOfSynth Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 Just now, Myazaki said: I think so. I'll have a tinker with things and see if I can come up with a solution. Thanks. If the nightvision effect and seeing through walls isn't needed you could just use the colour overlay mesons use and apply them to another set of specs right? Run it through as a custom item. From what @Estoytrucha has said, it's primarily the colouring that helps them play with their condition. I don't think that'd cause any OOC issue in terms of balance. Just muh 2 cents
Estoytrucha Posted August 25, 2020 Author Posted August 25, 2020 No, thank you. It's an immense relief to get a response that isn't more or less "go get another hobby". :3 I really do appreciate it.
Myazaki Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 Just now, HouseOfSynth said: If the nightvision effect and seeing through walls isn't needed you could just use the colour overlay mesons use and apply them to another set of specs right? Run it through as a custom item. From what @Estoytrucha has said, it's primarily the colouring that helps them play with their condition. I don't think that'd cause any OOC issue in terms of balance. Just muh 2 cents Yup. Checking that out as we type.
Myazaki Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Estoytrucha said: No, thank you. It's an immense relief to get a response that isn't more or less "go get another hobby". :3 I really do appreciate it. Check this out for me in fullscreen please. Does the meson tint alone help as you expected, especially in low-light areas? EDIT - Looks like there's another visual effect added on that I'll need to figure out, it's a BYOND Internal thing I think.. so not something I can just grab easily. Not obvious to me right now. Will work on it. Edited August 25, 2020 by Myazaki
Estoytrucha Posted August 25, 2020 Author Posted August 25, 2020 It's way better than nothing. It's not as nice as the consistent shadow deletion, but I would have to check how it performs outside to really tell you. Things in EVA are a different animal than on the station with predictable structures.
Estoytrucha Posted August 25, 2020 Author Posted August 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, Myazaki said: Check this out for me in fullscreen please. Does the meson tint alone help as you expected, especially in low-light areas? EDIT - Looks like there's another visual effect added on that I'll need to figure out, it's a BYOND Internal thing I think.. so not something I can just grab easily. Not obvious to me right now. Will work on it. Thank you. Again, this would be enough of a measure for me to try to use and adapt to if you could get it to work.
Myazaki Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Estoytrucha said: Thank you. Again, this would be enough of a measure for me to try to use and adapt to if you could get it to work. We could potentially do some shadow removal. But that's more of a question for maintainers / custom item approvers as to what they'd be happy with you having as a custom item. If they're happy then I'm willing to code & tweak those custom glasses for you. So see if you can get in touch with them and let me know.
Pratepresidenten Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 I have no objections about this being a custom item. If it can help you out, by all means, lets make it happen!
Peppermint Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 Just want to point out that this is something Esto has spoken about a number of times in OOC, before the topic of meson removal even came up due to the event shenanigans. So, is totes a thing and not just an excuse to have an advantage (Not that I imagine many people think that, but juustt in case.)
Myazaki Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 @EstoytruchaHere is a branch that adds some low-power meson goggles that will function as shown in the video above. You may want a custom icon or something -- if so get that and I can help you add it, and you'll have to go through the custom item application process. I tried to make it remove partially covering shadows, but this is difficult to do for just one player at once. If this doesn't work well enough for you as written I will try and think of alternatives. If you think the tint would work better as a different colour (brighter green or something?) that is easily done so just say so.
Life Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 I don't understand one thing, if it was mostly engineers abusing it then why not just remove them from engineering and maint?
Myazaki Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Life said: I don't understand one thing, if it was mostly engineers abusing it then why not just remove them from engineering and maint? It was for more than just engineering and maint, check the PR. Edited August 25, 2020 by Myazaki
Estoytrucha Posted August 25, 2020 Author Posted August 25, 2020 15 hours ago, Pratepresidenten said: I have no objections about this being a custom item. If it can help you out, by all means, lets make it happen! Do I need to apply separately, or is thread sufficient?
Myazaki Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 Gotta make an application thread and give them info like your ckey and whatever. There is a template. You can link this thread there though.
Pratepresidenten Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 57 minutes ago, Myazaki said: Gotta make an application thread and give them info like your ckey and whatever. There is a template. You can link this thread there though. This is probs the best way to do this, yes.
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