Carpe Ranas - Ven's Skrell Deputy Application

[Carpe Venenum]

Ckey/BYOND Username: Carpe Venenum
Position Being Applied For: (Wiki Maintainer, Lore Developer, Deputy Lore developer): Skrell Deputy Lore developer
Have you read the Lore Team Rules and Regulations wiki page? Yeah
Past Experiences/Knowledge: I was a Skrell loredev previously, as well as a Human deputy.
Examples of Past Work: Link to my wiki contribs
Additional Comments: I've chosen to apply with a PR. It's not finished yet, but lore-wise it's done and there will probably be no new sprites. https://github.com/Aurorastation/Aurora.3/pull/11322
If a newspaper arc is required for it, I'd be happy to write it!

Edited February 26, 2021 by Carpe Venenum

[niennab]

What was a conversation regarding Silversun synthetics in the lore discord yielded quite a bit of unwarranted abrasiveness on your part. One has to be diplomatic both between players as well as the team and as such at this time I do not believe you'd be suitable for staff.

[Carpe Venenum]

2 hours ago, niennab said:

What was a conversation regarding Silversun synthetics in the lore discord yielded quite a bit of unwarranted abrasiveness on your part. One has to be diplomatic both between players as well as the team and as such at this time I do not believe you'd be suitable for staff.

I apologize for my behavior. However, I am not applying to be a main lore developer, so I do not really have to interact with you or your team, if that'd be more preferable to you.

[Camellia]

I can personally vouch for Carpe here because after my remark on McRibs deputy application, Carpe themselves, went into my dms and tried explaining the whole thing, with why x and y was done, allowing me to appreciate the concept of a Skrell much more than before and it's because of that, that I'm making a Skrell character now.

 

Carpe didn't have to dm me but they did. Often or not, I expect hostile responses and doubling down and, instead, they communicated with me about their issues with my post and we reached an agreement and honestly, I never see that anymore. In fact, I recently had an issue about a lack of communication and instead of ahelping or pming me on discord about a character, they shot first and answered questions later, wasting the time of me and the other involved who asked me about it, after I explained everything in the most peaceful way I could.

 

 I will be honest and say that, regarding the interaction about Silversun synthetics, I can certainly understand the frustration coming from Carpe. I was watching that very conversation and they had been trying to explain their point of view for quite sometime. I can understand why, a baseline would be given a Silversun accent, the same way the droids in Fallout have an English accent, it's simply just an accent.

[niennab]

10 minutes ago, Carpe Venenum said:

I apologize for my behavior. However, I am not applying to be a main lore developer, so I do not really have to interact with you or your team, if that'd be more preferable to you.

While I accept your apology, that's not quite the purpose of my comment. I'm not too concerned about your interactions with me or my team, but rather your interactions with the playerbase. I believe elevated positions should be held to a higher standard, and previous incidents where that standard was not met should be noted. 

[Carpe Venenum]

The PR that I applied with was closed, but there is still spritework there and I intend to use it in a future PR with ~ cosmetic additions ~.

[DeadLantern]

I am going to echo Nienna's point in that you express your opinions with an abrasive tone. We have had only a few, minor conversations, but I was present when a discussion emerged between you and mostly Omicega. The contents of the discussion does not matter. You argued as if it were a hostile environment, making sweeping statements followed by a "lol"--being generally combative.

You later apologized, and that should be noted; you also apologized for the argument you had about Silversuni accents, which should also be acknowledged. You tend to be headstrong with your opinions, I've noticed, and are sympathetic to those who agree and lethal to those who do not. It is good that you recognize your snappy-ness, but one has to see results.

Your ability to write lore is not in contest, as you've contributed cool things to Aurora. I, however, am wary of your conduct when engaging in discussions and debates. I've recently been elevated to lore deputy, and I've seen a lot of discussions and arguments involving everyone in the lore team, not exclusive to certain alien teams. Your point of "However, I am not applying to be a main lore developer, so I do not really have to interact with you or your team, if that'd be more preferable to you." is a bit nonsensical, as all sections of the lore team are encouraged to lend their advice to their colleagues. Being forced to not speak to certain people because you simply can not talk to them without arguing is not conducive to a pleasant lore team experience. You should be able to talk to everyone diplomatically, and be able to engage in most discussions without devolving into anger and impulsiveness when your thoughts are challenged.

Again, I have respect to what you've previously contributed to Aurora. From my observations, I think I am just a little hesitant. I do not usually comment on these lore team applications even if I'm supportive of the person applying, as I usually keep my opinion to myself. I am only speaking up because I fear that your acceptance may lead to arguments without a clear purpose in the lore chat.

This is not an outright dismissal of your application. It's something for you to respond to. I've noticed that you've argued in Aurora Lore Central, and I would like to see some justification as to why you have changed or why you will not engage like that on the lore team or why you were justified in arguing like that.

[Carpe Venenum]

36 minutes ago, DeadLantern said:

Your point of "However, I am not applying to be a main lore developer, so I do not really have to interact with you or your team, if that'd be more preferable to you." is a bit nonsensical, as all sections of the lore team are encouraged to lend their advice to their colleagues. Being forced to not speak to certain people because you simply can not talk to them without arguing is not conducive to a pleasant lore team experience. You should be able to talk to everyone diplomatically, and be able to engage in most discussions without devolving into anger and impulsiveness when your thoughts are challenged.

My offer to Nienna was just that, an offer. I do not want to imply that I will plain not talk to them if I am accepted, I just wanted to make sure that I will not make them pointlessly uncomfortable if they don't want to speak to me, not vice versa.

36 minutes ago, DeadLantern said:

making sweeping statements followed by a "lol"

I do not treat the public lore server as a formal environment, I don't see an issue with using "lol" in what I say there. It's not indicative of tone, lately I'm just using it all the time. I do understand what you're saying with this though and I acknowledge that it's a valid point.

36 minutes ago, DeadLantern said:

I am only speaking up because I fear that your acceptance may lead to arguments without a clear purpose in the lore chat.

It is up to Mofo to judge my previous behavior in that regard. I was a loredev for many months before and while abrasiveness is a consistent, and very valid, issue that has been brought up about me, "pointless arguments" are something I hear about for the first time. The public lore server is a place for casual discussion, chatting, and memes, I don't think having arguments there, even pointless ones, is anything bad - rather, the issue is my attitude and tone, which I acknowledge and lately have been trying to reflect on. I understand that the staff lore server is more serious. 

Edited February 27, 2021 by Carpe Venenum

[DeadLantern]

I understand your statement about Nienna. The public lore server is a server with many colors--there are memes, light-hearted discussions, unserious discussions, and semi-formal discussions that may easily become arguments. You were engaged in the latter such conversation, and using lol in that context is pretty disrespectful. It sounds stupid, but it's as if you are mocking them or laughing humorously at their opinions. With text, it is hard to gauge how exactly words will impact the other side. Using lol may not seem significant, but it takes on a mocking tone in the face of someone trying to have a real discussion. As long as you acknowledge that, I'm fine.

By pointless, I don't necessarily mean an argument that doesn't have a topic--I consider a pointless argument an argument that ends with both sides dissatisfied, angry, and without increased knowledge. That is a pointless argument, and being abrasive is the best way to make sure both sides end up mad at each other for little reason. And yes, the problem is not arguing in the lore server, it's the fact that you might bring that attitude to the staff lore server, where it is not necessarily more serious, but where its inhabitants are expected to be able to have a nice discussion without devolving into a "pointless argument".

I recognize you've acknowledged that abrasive side of yourself. Managing it is the only key here, really. That is my only concern. Anyway, that is it. My reservations about you have been voiced, and I don't really know whether to support it or negate it. I am sure Cael will be a better judge as you'll be working under them.

[Carpe Venenum]

6 hours ago, DeadLantern said:

It sounds stupid, but it's as if you are mocking them or laughing humorously at their opinions. With text, it is hard to gauge how exactly words will impact the other side. Using lol may not seem significant, but it takes on a mocking tone in the face of someone trying to have a real discussion. As long as you acknowledge that, I'm fine.

I'll note this for the future.

[Carpe Venenum]

Since the PR was closed, Caelphon has allowed me to accompany my application with a written work. I present the rewrite of Qeblak. There are some areas that may very well be added to, of which I am aware, but the core of it, I think, won't change significantly.

Qeblak

Edited March 2, 2021 by Carpe Venenum

[Caelphon]

Due to behind the scenes stuff, Skrell Deputy applications have been closed. Feel free to apply when I open slots.