Nikolai The Beast - Forced Round End, Faked Sing Release

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Over 2/3 of the server wanted it go on. Three people decided it shouldn't.

I'm going to refrain from posting further until admins give a statement.

[VoltageHero]

Over 2/3 of the server wanted it go on. Three people decided it shouldn't.

I'm going to refrain from posting further until admins give a statement.

 

The round ending ICly is different from it being ended OOCly. Again, as it has been stated numerous times, the round wasn't ended because "the vote didn't get passed, call the shuttle!", which you're deciding to say 'no, that's not true'.

[Skull132]

Here's my question to Nikolai. What were the considerations made that led to the shuttle call? I don't really care about what happened afterwards, but the thought process and assessment that led to it.

[Nik]

Here's my question to Nikolai. What were the considerations made that led to the shuttle call? I don't really care about what happened afterwards, but the thought process and assessment that led to it.

 

Rai obviously has her oaths, as I've said, and was well aware that they had a nuke and multiple weapons. She had no interest in leading some sort of coup against all of these armed individuals as the only head, and wanted a reason to get everyone off station before something foul happened, but was paranoid about sending for a shuttle if they were aware that we were fleeing them, hoping that a singularity being about would keep them away while moving anyone off board.

Rai had originally just meant to arm security and leave it be until it got worse, but then a nuke occurred and she had no festive to leave an entire crew near a nuke (excluding the one that is supposed to be disarmed)

Simply, she just wanted to keep people safe. The safest place was off station.

Edit: oh, she also spoke to Enpress about what was best for the crew for some time, attempting to think about some way besides just attacking, and spoke to Jade on the matter if she could arrange to defend the station.

Further, she was being pushed by several other players asking her what she was going to do on the situation, due to her being the only head about, and may have been slightly panicking.

[Rusty Shackleford]

I actually don't think Nikolai or anyone else involved did anything wrong here, at least from what I know about the situation. I'm more than certain the plan to fake the singularity release came before my call for a transfer. Even that was just made as a joke because someone else ICly noticed the length of the shift.

This seems like a case of misunderstanding or just annoyance about RP getting cut short through IC means.

[GlamourChariot]

I actually don't think Nikolai or anyone else involved did anything wrong here, at least from what I know about the situation. I'm more than certain the plan to fake the singularity release came before my call for a transfer. Even that was just made as a joke because someone else ICly noticed the length of the shift.

This seems like a case of misunderstanding or just annoyance about RP getting cut short through IC means.

 

Nailed it.

Other than that, it's more just an issue of Rai's IC incapability to act in a suitable manner for one in a command position, which has already been dealt with.

[Guest]

...Why is it still okay to fake a singularity breach as a HEAD and lie to the entire crew, risking the lives of pretty much everybody because they incited a panic, even if it wasn't to immediately end the round?

Needless to say, Nik got everyone killed over it. Nuke ops detonated the nuke on-station as a reaction to this. Nik made a command decision in extremely poor judgement and made everyone pay the price for it.

There should still be absolutely no justifiable reason to do it, whether it was backed with IC reasons or not.

[Susan]

Except the nuke went off after the shuttle left, so no one died.

[TishinaStalker]

Actually, two scientists (myself included there), two miners, and at least two or three engineers that stayed to repair the station died. Like, out of nowhere, tick tick tick boom. Nuke.

[Susan]

Well, the nuke ops aren't exactly faultless here. They last-minute rushed for the nuke, and I really don't buy 'destroying the singularity' was the actual reason for doing so. They were purposely trying to set the timer to blow up before the shuttle left, but they failed to account for BYOND's awful timekeeping.

IMO if anyone needs the complaint it's the ops. That round was a cavalcade of stuff I'd expect from a light RP server, what with 'hail astroidia 666' being shouted every two seconds.

[Jamini]

I personally find it a huge stretch to imagine that CC would legitimize a "nation" on one of their stations, even the asteroid.

In fact, it is explicitly against regulations (see "Sedition" and "Mutiny") to attempt to do so.

The fact that CC supported this, outside of an official event, kind of bothers me greatly. If it was supposed to be an event, why wasn't there a custom event text?

Personally I feel Rai was acting completely within her character and right. She had very legitimate reason to suspect that the station could/would be nuked, and there were no safe places for the crew to evacuate except Odin. The standard evacuation location, the research outpost, was compromised and highly dangerous. While faking a singularity release may be a bit excessive, in the light of A confirmed and armed nuclear warhead in the hands of non-station personal is more than enough validation to evacuate.

[Rusty Shackleford]

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Well, the nuke ops aren't exactly faultless here. They last-minute rushed for the nuke, and I really don't buy 'destroying the singularity' was the actual reason for doing so. They were purposely trying to set the timer to blow up before the shuttle left, but they failed to account for BYOND's awful timekeeping.

IMO if anyone needs the complaint it's the ops. That round was a cavalcade of stuff I'd expect from a light RP server, what with 'hail astroidia 666' being shouted every two seconds.

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I personally find it a huge stretch to imagine that CC would legitimize a "nation" on one of their stations, even the asteroid.

In fact, it is explicitly against regulations (see "Sedition" and "Mutiny") to attempt to do so.

The fact that CC supported this, outside of an official event, kind of bothers me greatly. If it was supposed to be an event, why wasn't there a custom event text?

Personally I feel Rai was acting completely within her character and right. She had very legitimate reason to suspect that the station could/would be nuked, and there were no safe places for the crew to evacuate except Odin. The standard evacuation location, the research outpost, was compromised and highly dangerous. While faking a singularity release may be a bit excessive, in the light of A confirmed and armed nuclear warhead in the hands of non-station personal is more than enough validation to evacuate.

 

I was an engineer that round, and was on my way to escape bay after being told about the plan to fake the singularity escaping. On my way there, bombs started detonating, including one that took out the bar just as soon as I got into the hallway.

I also think the operatives should have a complaint against them rather than Nikolai. Bombs going off in the bar and places like it in response to an escaped singularity is the kind of shit you'd expect on a grief server.

[VoltageHero]

I also think the operatives should have a complaint against them rather than Nikolai. Bombs going off in the bar and places like it in response to an escaped singularity is the kind of shit you'd expect on a grief server.

 

This is also after Rai told everybody to head to the bar or medical, if I recall correctly. People were being crowded into the bar, when the bar got hit with an explosion.

[Guest]

Okay, so some OOC concerns were cleared up and they have shown Nik didn't have any intent to force end the round because the vote didn't go through.

However. Crying 'lord singulo' in an extremely tense situation which can be compared to yelling "gun! he has a gun!" or "bomb!" in a public work setting when there is no such threat is not okay.

You should never ever ever ever have a reason, as a nonantag, much less as command staff, to fake a singularity breach. That is inciting panic and terror, even if you have good intentions for it, it's still really bad. But... then, this is a gross case of an IC issue. But the round's not canon either because it was antag round that affected the decisions of literally everyone.

There are six ways off on the back of my hand that could've been executed in a fashion that would not have led to the station getting BTFO'd. But I'm not going to list them because that's not the point.

You cannot justify borderline terrorism to counter terrorism.

[VoltageHero]

Okay, so some OOC concerns were cleared up and they have shown Nik didn't have any intent to force end the round because the vote didn't go through.

However. Crying 'lord singulo' in an extremely tense situation which can be compared to yelling "gun! he has a gun!" or "bomb!" in a public work setting when there is no such threat is not okay.

You should never ever ever ever have a reason, as a nonantag, much less as command staff, to fake a singularity breach. That is inciting panic and terror, even if you have good intentions for it, it's still really bad. But... then, this is a gross case of an IC issue. But the round's not canon either because it was antag round that affected the decisions of literally everyone.

There are six ways off on the back of my hand that could've been executed in a fashion that would not have led to the station getting BTFO'd. But I'm not going to list them because that's not the point.

You cannot justify borderline terrorism to counter terrorism.

 

As said previously, the reason the fact that the knowledge of bombs weren't used over the comms, was to keep the Nuke Ops in the dark. They weren't supposed to know that the crew was leaving because of them, which they were. If anybody had mentioned that they knew the Nuke Ops had bombs, and that was the reason they were leaving, it was ICly uncertain what would happen. The false Singulo release was used to get the crew out, without Nuke Ops knowing. For the most part, people weren't even panicking that badly in relation to it, from what I saw.

[Jamini]

Half the crew station-side knew it was a faked release. People were more panicked that the operatives bombed escape and the bar.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

I'm going to say again that my intentions were not the bomb the station. Unless the operatives were plotting to blow up the station to eliminate the threat of them being completely batty without my knowledge. Shortly after the shuttle call silly atmos mechanics destroyed my lung when I walked into a low pressure area for 2 seconds, so I was unconscious nearly the entire time. I would have said to not bomb the station like that. The original panicked plan I had before falling into a crit coma was for us to secure the disk just so we'd not have an inert, useless bomb.

Maybe the ops were bombing in retaliation to a huge act of terrorism from a station member. Maybe Kathleen wanted green text, I don't know. But you can't use "the nuke blew up" as an excuse justifying it because it's begging the question.

"Why did you evacuate to a fake sing release?"

"They blew up a nuke."

"Why did they blow up a nuke?"

"Because we evacuated to a fake sing release."

Even if the plan was concocted before the shuttle was called, I still have qualms with it. Rai committed an act of terrorism. As a non-antag Head of Staff, along with the AI and whatever engineers were involved.

 

I personally find it a huge stretch to imagine that CC would legitimize a "nation" on one of their stations,

 

Corporations sell assets and owned lands all the time omg. It's not a stretch it's a business deal lmao

[Chaznoodles]

I don't see this as an issue. There was IC reasoning for evacuating. I'm more concerned about the nukeops who took the evac as an excuse to bomb the station.

[VoltageHero]

Even if the plan was concocted before the shuttle was called, I still have qualms with it. Rai committed an act of terrorism. As a non-antag Head of Staff, along with the AI and whatever engineers were involved.

 

Haha, what? How on Earth was that terrorism? Rai and the Engineering team not once did anything to actually damage the station. The station was never under any attacks related to the singulo, until the Nuke Ops became bombing the station. They were leaving. Stating that there was a "released" singulo is not an act of terrorism. The fake singulo announcement wasn't the thing that ended up getting people killed.

 

"Why did you evacuate to a fake sing release?"

"They blew up a nuke."

"Why did they blow up a nuke?"

"Because we evacuated to a fake sing release."

 

And to this part, only the last two lines actually work here.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Terrorism

2. gen. A policy intended to strike with terror those against whom it is adopted; the employment of methods of intimidation; the fact of terrorizing or condition of being terrorized.

b. Any one who attempts to further his views by a system of coercive intimidation

https://www.nytimes.com/books/first/h/hoffman-terrorism.html

Emphasis added.

Lying about bombing a building convincingly enough to force it to be evacuated is an act of terrorism.

Yelling "FIRE!" in a movie theatre and sparking a panicked evacuation could be argued to be an act of terrorism.

You don't have to kill people for it to be terrorism, you have to use terror to achieve your goals.

[Guest]

So, here's how it's going to go down once the crew return to Central Command after CC finds out the fucking aurora was nuked.

The officer handling the report is going to go to the command staff to give a situation report. In this case, it's going to be Rai.

Rai is going to explain this, this and this about the terrorists... and then is going to be bound by oath to tell about how half the crew knew about the faked singularity release.

At this point, the officer is going to say "fucking wat, you did fucking wat?" and shake their head in disbelief, and then go out of their way to reprimand Rai for not giving CC the heads-up ahead of time that the people running the Asterodia nation were actually suspected terrorists, and for letting the failsafe disk get into their hands and allowing for the nuke ops to actually blow up the entire station in a catastrophic nuclear fission blast.

The guy handling this isn't gonna go "Oh okay that was totally justified and you get off even without a warning", just because half of the crew knew it was a ruse.

You don't do that as command staff. You have SOP and regulations to uphold, and have standards you must set for your subordinates. If you're not following any of these, why should anyone else follow SOP or corp reg either?

[Aqy]

This may be slightly off topic. But, you know, I keep seeing in this thread, "This isn't realistic, they wouldn't do that." "This isn't heavy RP." And yeah, maybe it wasn't as hyper-realistic, as I'm sure the people who play a game where clowns are a palpable threat, and have been such want it to be. And I honestly thought this idea was going to end in terror, with ganking and ramboing, all of it. But, it actually turned out to be fun, Jackboot tried to incorporate the rest of the station, forcing them to trade, so that people weren't secluded. I mean, for the amount of times that I see people commenting that nuke is boring, and want something different to happen, they aren't original enough, all they do is gank, how horrible they all are. Then, the ops do something different and they get this, people defending what was ICly a bad call, by saying it wasn't serious enough, which is completely irrelevant. Especially considering there was a legitimate report from the DOs saying they had purchased it. Is it so horribly awful that not everything on this game is taken super fucking seriously? I mean, I honestly cannot say what you people want. You want something, but you want it a specific way, but not that way, because that's conflicting with the way you want to do something, but you're always right. ALWAYS. No one here can ever admit that they might be wrong. Maybe you're not entirely wrong, but no one can even say that they've done wrong, or made a mistake, without lashing out in some way, or just flat out going back to what the hell they were doing wrong.

And yeah, whatever, "FUN'S A BUZZWORD." Hop off the dick of the word "BuzzWord." That's all I have to say about that.

[VoltageHero]

This may be slightly off topic. But, you know, I keep seeing in this thread, "This isn't realistic, they wouldn't do that." "This isn't heavy RP." And yeah, maybe it wasn't as hyper-realistic, as I'm sure the people who play a game where clowns are a palpable threat, and have been such want it to be. And I honestly thought this idea was going to end in terror, with ganking and ramboing, all of it. But, it actually turned out to be fun, Jackboot tried to incorporate the rest of the station, forcing them to trade, so that people weren't secluded. I mean, for the amount of times that I see people commenting that nuke is boring, and want something different to happen, they aren't original enough, all they do is gank, how horrible they all are. Then, the ops do something different and they get this, people defending what was ICly a bad call, by saying it wasn't serious enough, which is completely irrelevant. Especially considering there was a legitimate report from the DOs saying they had purchased it. Is it so horribly awful that not everything on this game is taken super fucking seriously? I mean, I honestly cannot say what you people want. You want something, but you want it a specific way, but not that way, because that's conflicting with the way you want to do something, but you're always right. ALWAYS. No one here can ever admit that they might be wrong. Maybe you're not entirely wrong, but no one can even say that they've done wrong, or made a mistake, without lashing out in some way, or just flat out going back to what the hell they were doing wrong.

And yeah, whatever, "FUN'S A BUZZWORD." Hop off the dick of the word "BuzzWord." That's all I have to say about that.

 

Both sides have made mistakes. You're acting as if Nuke Ops was completely fine, which it wasn't.

[Tainavaa]

Additionally if the suspected terrorists are taking slaves and bombing the station and making all these acts of aggression they clearly won't let you leave the station as-is.

[Susan]

Corporations sell assets and owned lands all the time omg. It's not a stretch it's a business deal lmao

 

Selling land =/= becoming an autonomous state. Asteroidia? Really?

You people literally said at the start of the round in the nuke op base you weren't even going to bother to take the round seriously.