Staff Compaint - Unknown

[Playbahnosh]

BYOND Key: Playbahnosh
Staff BYOND Key: unknown
Game ID: the one before ci7-agbZ
 

Reason for complaint: 

Towards the end of said - particularly hectic - round, I suddenly noticed the Chef (Anya Orlova) shooting at me. I was scrambling to defend myself, but I was no match for her energy carbine, and died almost immediately. Upon ahelping, questioning why the Chef killed me, the CMO, I was given the answer by Arrow, that it was approved by another staff member and my only recourse is to "suck it up" or submit a staff complaint. So here we are.

Apparently, the one who approved this course of action was Kyres1 is unknown at this time, but I was told I "deserved it" because I "killed 4 people", which I honestly cannot see how. When the fighting started and critical patients started flooding in, I spent most of the round in the chem lab trying to create life-saving medication because I was the only one who could (we had no pharmacist as usual). It was going slow because I haven't done any chemist work in a long time and regularly had to check the wiki, but I was scrambling to try and save as many people as I can, along with the entire medbay staff. Since medical and chem is a really mechanic-heavy thing, all the scans and fluff, text was pretty much flying, I couldn't pay attention to everything everyone said, obviously. And with brainmed, we naturally can't save everyone, even with the best intentions, with a fully staffed and equipped medical bay, which this clearly wasn't at the time. Aside from me, we had two first responders and a psychologist, that's it. (A surgeon showed up at the tail end of it, but it was neither here nor there at that point.) Let's say it, it was a frantic shitshow as it usually is in rounds like this, with 3-4 people actively dying at the same time. It's extremely stressful and hard, and we at medical did everything we could with what little we had.

So after all that happened, yes, I was more than surprised being shot and killed by the Chef of all people, without any prior engagement on their part, and with the blessing of the staff nonetheless. So, no, I do not agree with that one bit.

Evidence/logs/etc: Logs attached.
Additional remarks:

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Edited July 26, 2022 by Playbahnosh
As it turns out, the staff member in question wasn't Kyres1, so it's unknown at this time.

[kyres1]

I'm not staff, at least, I'm not moderation or admin staff. As such, this part -

is, well, completely satire. I'm not who this complaint should be directed towards.

Furthermore, I don't even know if I said the above. If I did, that was satire too, because I frankly have no idea what happened this round when it did occur. All I saw was the end of the confrontation and climax of the round where Orlova shot you, and again, even then I don't have full context to this.

Sorry for the confusion.

[Playbahnosh]

11 minutes ago, kyres1 said:

I'm not staff, at least, I'm not moderation or admin staff. As such, this part -

is, well, completely satire. I'm not who this complaint should be directed towards.

Edited the post to reflect this.

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Furthermore, I don't even know if I said the above. If I did, that was satire too, because I frankly have no idea what happened this round when it did occur. All I saw was the end of the confrontation and climax of the round where Orlova shot you, and again, even then I don't have full context to this.

The problem is, me neither. I was caught completely off-guard being shot at, and I couldn't fathom why. Even reading back the logs I couldn't find a part where the Chef would've even tried to confront me about any real or imagined wrongs. It was medical at it's worst, if anyone knows, text was flying and I was scrambling trying to make meds and save people. I'm glad some people had time to just stand around and RP while this was going down, but I certainly didn't, so no, I also don't have the context for this.

Edited July 26, 2022 by Playbahnosh

[Roostercat]

Hi. I am the unknown that okayed Anya being made traitor. It was a hectic crossfire round with a lot of injured people in the medbay, so I will go over my reasoning for why I okayed it. 

 

From what I was told (from multiple people, mind), a lot of the deaths were very avoidable. Engineers who fought the intruders were completely overstepped in favor of saving the antags, one of which even shot their savior right before, and when the engineers finally DID get to medical, they were not saved or anywhere close. From what I saw personally, there were multiple people in asystole in GTR, and you were nowhere to be found. That compounding with the obvious anger that would arise from this much crew death, is why I okayed this action. I still see it as justifiable. 

22 hours ago, Playbahnosh said:

 

 

Towards the end of said - particularly hectic - round, I suddenly noticed the Chef (Anya Orlova) shooting at me. I was scrambling to defend myself, but I was no match for her energy carbine, and died almost immediately. 

 

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This is not entirely true. You DID get away at first, running into maintenance as security stopped Orlova from shooting further. You then unholstered your disruptor, ran back in blasting, and died from the returning fire.

[Playbahnosh]

1 hour ago, Roostercat said:

From what I saw personally, there were multiple people in asystole in GTR, and you were nowhere to be found.

That's not true. If I wasn't in GTR trying to treat people, I was right there in the chem lab scrambling to make life-saving meds, I spent basically the entire round there. I did that, like I said, because I was the only one that could. Alkysine, Pneumaline, Adrenaline, DexPlus, Butazoline, Clonex, just to name a few, and most of these are _very_ complex medications to make, even for a chemist main, which I admittedly am not. Especially the Pneumalin, which has 12 ingredients that has to be mixed in 5 separate batches and then loaded into inhalers one by one and to refill said inhalers because apparently no one else knew how to do that. And we desperately needed Pneumalin because a lot of places were vented and we were inundated with popped lungs which can kill very fast if left untreated. I only had two First Responders and a Psychologist, so we weren't exactly overstaffed for the hordes of casualties flooding in. I left them to try and stabilize as many as they could, and I had to decide between doing surgery or making drugs, and that's a hard choice I had to make on the spot. Ultimately the meds saved a lot more people than not, and given the choice I would do the same thing.

As for what happened out there, I had no clue, I wasn't there, and like I said, text was friggin flying from all the medical and mechanical fluff and I couldn't read everything even if I wanted to, It was an extremely stressful clusterfuck and I was a lot more focused on actually doing things. I was one person, I couldn't be everywhere at once. People were treated as they came in, nobody was playing favorites, and no, I did not micromanage my staff, I trusted them to do their best in the situation. We all did.

Saying such and such "deaths would've been preventable" is bullshit. Of course they were, all the deaths would've been preventable if people didn't start shooting for example. Or half the ship wasn't vented. Or if the medbay had actual staff, gear and meds, or if I had eight arms like an octopus and could propagate by mitosis, etc. It's easy to stand on the sidelines and pass judgment on people in the trenches actually doing the work. At the end of the day, a lot of people were saved thanks to the medbay and it's staff, and those who did not make it were either too injured or we just couldn't save them despite our best collective efforts. Like I said, I'm glad some people got to just stand around and RP, because I sure didn't.

So, no, giving staff blessing to a racist lunatic to EORG murder a commanding officer because their friend died, is just wrong. I did not shot, exploded or vented any of those people, I did the exact opposite, tried to save their lives, many of which I did. And no, I did not expect any thanks for that, but I certainly didn't friggin expect to be murdered for it...

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This is not entirely true. You DID get away at first, running into maintenance as security stopped Orlova from shooting further. You then unholstered your disruptor, ran back in blasting, and died from the returning fire.

Also not true. Yes, I did try to defend myself, because once she started shooting me, of all the security standing around absolutely no one moved even a finger to stop her, and they probably even gave her the weapon to begin with. Yes, I was extremely tired, confused, panicked and basically all alone, so the only recourse I saw was to try and defend myself. I was a completely unarmored Zeng-hu frame, all I had was a mini taser pistol, I couldn't have done any real damage to her even if I wanted to. And no, I did not "ran back in blasting", I only took a few potshots when she grabbed the weapon again, wanted to taze her before she started shooting at me or anyone else in the medbay got hurt, because seemingly security were just standing around, apparently they all collectively decided (with your blessing mind) to just let the unhinged friggin chef go on a rampage with an energy carbine. What the hell was I supposed to do? Just stand there and let her murder me? Or just keep running while she chases me around the station Benny Hill style? No. That's one death that could've been prevented, but instead you caused it. None of this is justified or even acceptable in any shape or form.

Edited July 27, 2022 by Playbahnosh

[Roostercat]

2 hours ago, Playbahnosh said:

That's not true. If I wasn't in GTR trying to treat people, I was right there in the chem lab scrambling to make life-saving meds, I spent basically the entire round there. I did that, like I said, because I was the only one that could. Alkysine, Pneumaline, Adrenaline, DexPlus, Butazoline, Clonex, just to name a few, and most of these are _very_ complex medications to make, even for a chemist main, which I admittedly am not. Especially the Pneumalin, which has 12 ingredients that has to be mixed in 5 separate batches and then loaded into inhalers one by one and to refill said inhalers because apparently no one else knew how to do that. And we desperately needed Pneumalin because a lot of places were vented and we were inundated with popped lungs which can kill very fast if left untreated. I only had two First Responders and a Psychologist, so we weren't exactly overstaffed for the hordes of casualties flooding in. I left them to try and stabilize as many as they could, and I had to decide between doing surgery or making drugs, and that's a hard choice I had to make on the spot. Ultimately the meds saved a lot more people than not, and given the choice I would do the same thing.

As for what happened out there, I had no clue, I wasn't there, and like I said, text was friggin flying from all the medical and mechanical fluff and I couldn't read everything even if I wanted to, It was an extremely stressful clusterfuck and I was a lot more focused on actually doing things. I was one person, I couldn't be everywhere at once. People were treated as they came in, nobody was playing favorites, and no, I did not micromanage my staff, I trusted them to do their best in the situation. We all did.

 

The people in GTR needed surgery, not additional chems that overall would not make them more likely to survive alone. On the management side, there was also next to no communication over the radio, either. So I am sticking to my guns about lacklustre medical play here. 

 

2 hours ago, Playbahnosh said:

 

Saying such and such "deaths would've been preventable" is bullshit. Of course they were, all the deaths would've been preventable if people didn't start shooting for example. Or half the ship wasn't vented. Or if the medbay had actual staff, gear and meds, or if I had eight arms like an octopus and could propagate by mitosis, etc. It's easy to stand on the sidelines and pass judgment on people in the trenches actually doing the work. At the end of the day, a lot of people were saved thanks to the medbay and it's staff, and those who did not make it were either too injured or we just couldn't save them despite our best collective efforts. Like I said, I'm glad some people got to just stand around and RP, because I sure didn't.

 

I have mained medical for the past three years. I am not just some bystander that doesn't know what is going on. The play was bad and many of the deaths could have been avoided with surgery or even just oxygen/blood (multiple patients of which had neither going for them). 

 

2 hours ago, Playbahnosh said:

 

So, no, giving staff blessing to a racist lunatic to EORG murder a commanding officer because their friend died, is just wrong. I did not shot, exploded or vented any of those people, I did the exact opposite, tried to save their lives, many of which I did. And no, I did not expect any thanks for that, but I certainly didn't friggin expect to be murdered for it...

 

Trying to call someone a "racist lunatic" purely because they shot you is extremely rude and, quite frankly, abhorrent. Anya had plenty of IC reasoning to shoot your CMO, since this is still a roleplay server where things happen based on IC happenings, so it was justified. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Playbahnosh said:

 

Also not true. Yes, I did try to defend myself, because once she started shooting me, of all the security standing around absolutely no one moved even a finger to stop her, and they probably even gave her the weapon to begin with. Yes, I was extremely tired, confused, panicked and basically all alone, so the only recourse I saw was to try and defend myself. I was a completely unarmored Zeng-hu frame, all I had was a mini taser pistol, I couldn't have done any real damage to her even if I wanted to. And no, I did not "ran back in blasting", I only took a few potshots when she grabbed the weapon again, wanted to taze her before she started shooting at me or anyone else in the medbay got hurt, because seemingly security were just standing around, apparently they all collectively decided (with your blessing mind) to just let the unhinged friggin chef go on a rampage with an energy carbine. What the hell was I supposed to do? Just stand there and let her murder me? Or just keep running while she chases me around the station Benny Hill style? No. That's one death that could've been prevented, but instead you caused it. None of this is justified or even acceptable in any shape or form.

This is a blatant lie. She begans shooting at you, you run offscreen, safe, Anya is IMMEDIATELY disarmed after, and then you run back in, stare at her with your disruptor out for a few seconds, and then open fire whilst they are typing. Anya did not even have a weapon in her hands when you began firing.

 

[Playbahnosh]

1 hour ago, Roostercat said:

The people in GTR needed surgery, not additional chems that overall would not make them more likely to survive alone. On the management side, there was also next to no communication over the radio, either. So I am sticking to my guns about lacklustre medical play here. 
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The play was bad and many of the deaths could have been avoided with surgery or even just oxygen/blood (multiple patients of which had neither going for them). 

For someone who "mained medical for the past three years" to not know (or care) that surgery is not the only way to treat popped lungs and brain/organ damage is pretty bad form, especially when I brought up Pneumalin. Like I said (but you obviously you just ignored that too) I had to make a choice to either do surgery and save maybe one or two of them, or make the drugs (Pneu, Alky, Adrenalin etc) and have the option to try and save a lot more at once. It was either this or that, I couldn't be in two places at once. And yes, I'm admittedly not the best chemist ever, but I worked as fast as I could. Or do you suggest that everyone could've been just fine without me making meds, with simple inaprov a few pills of perconol and a roll of gauze? Right.

As for management, I essentially had no staff to manage, the EMTs were busy trying to stabilize or bring casualties to medical and there was only so much a shrink could do. We had 5-6 people actively dying at any given time, we simply didn't have the means to save everyone, and that's the long and short of it. I never said I was the best medical player there is, or that every action or decision I made was the absolute best, I only said me - and the others in medical - did the best we could under the circumstances. Saying "well, I would've done better" and putting the weight of the lives or deaths of dozens of hurt crewmembers on one person is just blatantly unfair and distasteful, and it disregards all the work we as a team did in that round.

1 hour ago, Roostercat said:

Trying to call someone a "racist lunatic" purely because they shot you is extremely rude and, quite frankly, abhorrent. Anya had plenty of IC reasoning to shoot your CMO, since this is still a roleplay server where things happen based on IC happenings, so it was justified. 

I didn't call her that because she killed me, but because that's who she apparently is, with multiple open anti-synth outbursts and the fact this wasn't nearly the first time she flew off the handle and the fact she openly wanted to murder a commanding officer, if that wasn't enough red flags for you, then nothing is. Or, sure, let's talk "IC happenings" how the chef ran around the medbay, barking orders at us, playing doctor both IC and with LOOC comments, and then effortlessly use a military weapon with perfect aim, all as a chef, etc. It's funny how your story keeps changing as I poke holes in your lies. Now I didn't just "ran back in blasting", now she somehow just "didn't have a weapon". Sure, she was so totally disarmed that not even a few seconds later she friggin killed me with the weapon she didn't allegedly have instead of the cuffs she should have had. Right. 

But even if we disregard that shitshow, you openly okayed the breaking of several server rules. It was blatantly EORG, the jump was already underway. It was a gank, because she said TWO short lines ("This is your fucking fault!" and "Fuck you, you bastard!") before she immediately started firing, before I could even read them, let alone respond in any meaningful way. The power/metagaming, the skill mismatch, etc. And here I naively thought the rules equally apply to everyone. I guess some are just more equal than others...

Just as I thought, this is pointless. A completely bad faith proceedings arbitrated by the very person it was raised against. I clearly can't expect anything here, but more flexing and various empty justifications for handing a blank cheque to someone to commit IC and OOC rulebreaking most others would've been banned for, and not even a single insincere "sorry" left your keyboard for completely ruining my round with that at minimum highly questionable staff decision.

I withdraw my complaint. Please close this.

[Arrow768]

Complaint closed without further action as requested by the OP