Player Complaint - Omicega

[niennab]

BYOND Key: niennab

Game ID: Forum thread, Event: Dreary Futures: All Aboard!, and Relay

Player Byond Key/Character name: Omicega

Staff involved: Peppermint (?)

Reason for complaint: From the start of the thread, Omi consistently engaged in bad faith, rude and aggressive arguments that derailed the suggestion, leading to it eventually being locked.

Omi’s arguments did not refer at all back to the suggestion, which was arguing to reduce the blob spawning during lowpop when no one in engineering, medical, or the manifest is filled. Instead, they focused on criticizing and demeaning players who they deem are not ‘capable enough’ despite accidents happening or players who engage in ‘chairRP’.

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No-one's saying you have to undo the damage. You can leave the hole in the ship patched with inflatables if you want, especially on lowpop -- nobody is really going to care if you just go back to your previous chairRP.

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If two characters nearly died to it then they just weren't capable to begin with -- I don't know how else to put the obvious blob-killing strategy beyond 'shoot the core with an emitter' and 'don't stand next to any of the green stuff'.

Then, they ended off with a comment trying to claim conspiracy against them, as though we were trying to construe their choice of words as a slur. This is grossly undermining what a slur is.

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I actually don't appreciate that you're taking the term 'chairRP' as some sort of slur. You're presuming me to be acting in bad faith here -- I enjoy my own chairRP with other players on extended or otherwise low-intensity rounds all the time. You're the two choosing to construe it as a barbed comment; you're either doing something of substance on Aurora, or you're AFK, or you're chairRPing. If you want to take that as some kind of veiled attack on your playing preferences -- I don't care, that's your prerogative, but please keep it to your own thoughts or somewhere more private where you aren't using it to slander me.

The topic was never about removing blob but rather making it more reasonable for a roughly 6 person manifest.

This is not the first time that I have seen this type of behavior from them and I would like to include it here as well. One recent incident was when following an event, Omi implied that a group of people roleplaying in the library were a ‘zavodskoi clique’ furthering their Arc(tm), despite these players consistently welcoming and engaging with anyone who stopped by. This was from the Relay:

Leading to them being particularly aggressive to one player inquiring about what they meant:

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This incident also led to them meta-ing over the Engineering radio during the event about something they’d have no knowledge of. Which as I understand it, a Zavodskoi cadet entered storage shortly after not getting any response over the security radio channel.

The comment from the relay is mean spirited and encourages a toxic atmosphere that I do not think is appropriate for the server at large.

Reaching out post staff looking over the thread, Peppermint advised that I write this player complaint.

Approximate Date/Time: August 12th (Thread), July 23rd (Relay, Event Round)

[MattAtlas]

Due to the nature of this kind of complaint, I would like to remind everyone reading to not post unless directly involved.

 

[Omicega]

21 minutes ago, niennab said:

BYOND Key: niennab

Game ID: Forum thread, Event: Dreary Futures: All Aboard!, and Relay

Player Byond Key/Character name: Omicega

Staff involved: Peppermint (?)

Reason for complaint: From the start of the thread, Omi consistently engaged in bad faith, rude and aggressive arguments that derailed the suggestion, leading to it eventually being locked.

Omi’s arguments did not refer at all back to the suggestion, which was arguing to reduce the blob spawning during lowpop when no one in engineering, medical, or the manifest is filled. Instead, they focused on criticizing and demeaning players who they deem are not ‘capable enough’ despite accidents happening or players who engage in ‘chairRP’.

Then, they ended off with a comment trying to claim conspiracy against them, as though we were trying to construe their choice of words as a slur. This is grossly undermining what a slur is.

The topic was never about removing blob but rather making it more reasonable for a roughly 6 person manifest.

This is not the first time that I have seen this type of behavior from them and I would like to include it here as well. One recent incident was when following an event, Omi implied that a group of people roleplaying in the library were a ‘zavodskoi clique’ furthering their Arc(tm), despite these players consistently welcoming and engaging with anyone who stopped by. This was from the Relay:

Leading to them being particularly aggressive to one player inquiring about what they meant:

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This incident also led to them meta-ing over the Engineering radio during the event about something they’d have no knowledge of. Which as I understand it, a Zavodskoi cadet entered storage shortly after not getting any response over the security radio channel.

The comment from the relay is mean spirited and encourages a toxic atmosphere that I do not think is appropriate for the server at large.

Reaching out post staff looking over the thread, Peppermint advised that I write this player complaint.

Approximate Date/Time: August 12th (Thread), July 23rd (Relay, Event Round)

I'll keep this pretty brief.

I've already been spoken to about my Relay conversation on the 23rd -- you can ask Faris for more details, if he's willing to give them, since to my knowledge he handled the whole thing. I asked him at the time if he was approaching me in an administrative capacity, just so I was certain, and he confirmed as much, so as far as I'm concerned that's already been addressed? Again, you can go to him for the details.

I'm not sure why you're coming kicking my door down, either, after your comments earlier. Calling me mean-spirited and toxic when you are slurring me (and yes, that's what a slur is: an insinuation or allegation about me intended to insult and damage my reputation) with a comment like this:

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If you aren't interested in a high roleplay setting and would instead choose to downplay genuine, earnest and interesting writing between multiple parties, and want to focus on mechanics, then another server might be better for your play style.

is entirely hypocritical. I would also point out to staff reading this that the thread appeared to basically be in the process of being brigaded, and I'm glad the thread got locked when it did considering where it was leading.

I stand by what I said in the thread regarding the blob event and how it's generally handled. I've already explained what I meant by chairRP, too. If you want to construe it as derogatory and submit that as something for staff to adjudicate over -- fine, be my guest. I don't think I've used it in a derogatory context before and I'm not aware of any connotation attached to the term, so as far as I'm concerned it's just something you've cherry-picked to manufacture offense over.

In short: yes, my conduct in the Relay was over the line, and I was spoken to about it already. I'm not the one coming out and essentially telling someone else to get off the server because they don't roleplay enough.

[niennab]

I am not a moderator or an admin so the results of player conflicts are not going to be disclosed to me. Nonetheless, in both instances one can view repeated behavior of saying mean spirited things, only to try and construe a differing narrative after the fact. Whether this be pretending ChairRP isn’t a contentious word, claiming I am cherry-picking/brigading you, that someone asking you to clarify means they are being facetious, so on and so forth as detailed above

I stand by the comment made regarding you downplaying the experience of others. However pointing to my abrasive comment does not undo the above abuses.

Unless staff have questions, I have nothing further to add.

[Omicega]

26 minutes ago, niennab said:

pretending ChairRP isn’t a contentious word

You're still using language like this in the very same breath as accusing me of attributing different connotations to things I've said. If you have any actual evidence to back up the usage of the term as a derogatory one, by all means offer it. Otherwise, I'm going to ask you again to stop putting negative meaning into my mouth where I have repeatedly told you none exists.

I have no desire to get into a back-and-forth public argument with you either, so if you don't have anything more to add then neither do I, and I'm happy to wait for staff to weigh in.

[Garnascus]

@Omicega @niennab So Myself and @WickedCybs are handling this. Just one quick question for Omicega. It seems Niennab is accusing you of metagaming and that your character did not know the cadet cryoed after "not getting a response on security comms". Can you go into some detail on this situation? How did you character know about this? I do not know anything about that particular event since i was not around. 

[Omicega]

13 minutes ago, Garnascus said:

It seems Niennab is accusing you of metagaming and that your character did not know the cadet cryoed after "not getting a response on security comms". Can you go into some detail on this situation? How did you character know about this? I do not know anything about that particular event since i was not around. 

There was no metagaming involved, I can tell you that categorically. You can call it a meta-commentary or something if you like; it isn't uncommon that cadets find themselves ignored by security as a whole and head into cryo. I'm not sure what there is to have metagamed here, anyway -- the cadet cryoing is on the common frequency and available for anyone to hear, like you can see in the image. I don't truthfully know whether the cadet was ignored or not; I didn't see security comms since I wasn't in security, so it was a guess at best. I think what I said ICly reflects that lack of knowledge, and my character would have known about as much as I did OOCly -- which is essentially nothing.

Edited August 13, 2022 by Omicega
repeated myself

[Garnascus]

Alrighty that makes sense to me omicega. Like I said I was not present during this event so i am not interrogating you or anything. @niennab So if i understand the dates correctly here this event took place almost three weeks ago. Did you report the incident in the screenshot to staff with an ahelp?

[niennab]

@Omicega Your demeanor and the weight behind the words can be viewed in the blob thread. This was not something that only I picked up on either. However it is neither mine nor anyone elses’ job to education you on the meaning of words. It is a contentuous word. You said yourself that ChairRP isn’t of substance. Nonetheless, please stay on topic.

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you're either doing something of substance on Aurora, or you're AFK, or you're chairRPing

 

There was nothing on the common channel denoting that the cadet had been ignored. If we believe this to be the case that the cadet was ignored, then there’s very little basis for where Omi got their information from. Furthered by the fact that WickedCybs, who as I understand was the cadet, admitted that nobody was talking on the security channel in the Relay after the event, sparking Omi’s library clique comment as well as the later conversation with biplane (in the above spoilers tab). One such note being:

If it isn’t an incident of metagaming and pure chance, then it’s another repeated incident of Omi making wild claims about a situation they were not involved with nor had no information on. Since, the cadet cryoing was the incident that sparked the Relay comment.

@Garnascus I did not ahelp it during the round, finding it odd but innocuous but in retrospect I wish I had. However, thankfully having kept my client open, I was able to go in after the fact and acquire the screenshot from game after being sent a screenshot of Omi’s comment from the relay, as someone who is apart of the presumed 'clique'.

Edited August 13, 2022 by niennab
Added a few sentences and a screenshot.

[Omicega]

I'm not here to comment on the part of your reply directed at Garnascus, but:

22 minutes ago, niennab said:

@Omicega Your demeanor and the weight behind the words can be viewed in the blob thread. This was not something that only I picked up on either. However it is neither mine nor anyone elses’ job to education you on the meaning of words. It is a contentuous word. You said yourself that ChairRP isn’t of substance. Nonetheless, please stay on topic.

You can search up 'chairRP' in any of the Aurora Discords you care to: maincord, Relay cord, whichever one you want. I'm still going to contend that I don't see it being used in a derogatory fashion. I keep asking you to stop ascribing whatever meaning you think is most defamatory to my choice of words and you keep ignoring me to repeat your baseless claims in a passive-aggressive and provocative tone -- it isn't contentious, you just chose it to be. It think it is in fact on-topic because you are coming after my overall conduct and alleged contribution to a 'toxic atmosphere' here, but if server staff decide it isn't relevant then I'm happy for them to say so and discount it as they please.

If you want me to clarify my language in that quote of mine you've lifted, then you can replace 'of substance' with 'gameplay-related', and I'm sorry for not having proof-read the post better. I'm not here to defend my roleplay credentials to you, but I would hope that it is obvious to more or less anyone on Aurora at this point that I value chairRP just as much as I do left clicking someone until they go horizontal.

 

[WickedCybs]

For clarity, I was Officer Szilvia Lestyan during that round. Apologies for any confusion if there was any.

 

Edited August 13, 2022 by WickedCybs

[Garnascus]

@Omicega@niennab Alright so here is what myself and Cybs have arrived at. You both broke the rules in that thread and you both where punished for it. Omicega was already spoken to about the conversation he had in discord and regarding the metagaming we just dont think a strong enough case can be made they where metagaming. Even if they where its not relevant to the complaint and a report should have been made three weeks ago. 

[niennab]

I'm fine with this outcome. Thank you for looking into the matter.

[Omicega]

Fantastic. Thanks for the quick resolution!