Guest Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 It's been about four-five days since another post by staff was made on the issue. Pla hasn't really answered for any of the questions prompted by some community members to a satisfactory extent, if at all. I'd like to ask both parties how you would both like to proceed here, just to prompt a bit of discussion.
Frances Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 It's been about four-five days since another post by staff was made on the issue. Pla hasn't really answered for any of the questions prompted by some community members to a satisfactory extent, if at all. I'd like to ask both parties how you would both like to proceed here, just to prompt a bit of discussion. I would assume people are waiting on Skull as it technically seems to be "his" case (wrote the original unban conditions, and engaged Plahunter here). I understand that Skull is busy, but as he has come on the forums to ban someone else today (I'm not mad about that btw, simply stating), I'm not sure what exactly he's doing. Of course, it is possible he has simply forgotten about this.
Tainavaa Posted May 11, 2015 Author Posted May 11, 2015 If any of this was waiting on me, I completely support a re-ban on principle of failing to keep your end of the bargain, on your word. That's a big personal no-no. If it's waiting on Skull, then I understand completely as well. He's extremely busy for the last, and for the next few weeks. So I'm willing to wait.
Skull132 Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 I think calling somebody Tainvaa a cunt when she made the snide remark of "I thought you would have improve by now." when I was already upset was provoking to me. That doesn't exactly clear you. You literally jumped at someone's throat over a reasonable, objectively, course of action ICly (if a security officer is not permitted to bypass the reading of rights in a situation where there is active combat, then I have no clue where I've ended up at). And while yes, Tainavaa's comment can be potentially be perceived as snide, it was the first such retort provided after you had already called them out and effectively insulted them. Which. Is pretty much an indication of the childish attitude that got you banned in the first place. Attitude which violates the agreement you made with me. So, bleh. While banning over a first case incident is arse, it's basically continuation of your attitude from the past (which we tolerated for a good few months before actually banning you). And at this point, I'm in favour of reapplying the ban.
Flamingo Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 After some reading up on all this forum drama, I've formulated my opinion. While I PERSONALLY don't think a re-applied permanent ban is necessary... an agreement was made, and violated. To reiterate, although I can't say I support the decision to ban from a personal standpoint, it is warranted, as Plahunter was banned before, agreed to terms for an unban, and then violated them. Overall, my objective opinion is that I'm in favor of reapplying the ban. As a side question, what is the policy on creating a new account to circumvent bans? I'm sure the punishment is, increased ban time (if permanent, reapplied). To be more specific, what if someone is permabanned, but comes back with a new ckey and acts as a respectable member of the community without ever revealing that they were banned? I know these sort of things can be detected by the host computer (to an extent, ip bans, which can be changed), but I don't see how this hasn't happened before. Would the ban be reapplied even if they were able to prove they had changed? I'll likely be logging off until later today, if this sort of question is unacceptable on the public forum, feel free to remove it and get back to me in a PM.
Dea Tacita Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 what if someone is permabanned, but comes back with a new ckey and acts as a respectable member of the community without ever revealing that they were banned? If that occurs, and we discover it. Then a perm ban is issued to that account for circumventing a ban. If someone truly has changed, in a real way. They should apply for an unban and display that they have changed.
Guest Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 As a side question, what is the policy on creating a new account to circumvent bans? I'm sure the punishment is, increased ban time (if permanent, reapplied). To be more specific, what if someone is permabanned, but comes back with a new ckey and acts as a respectable member of the community without ever revealing that they were banned? I know these sort of things can be detected by the host computer (to an extent, ip bans, which can be changed), but I don't see how this hasn't happened before. Would the ban be reapplied even if they were able to prove they had changed? I'll likely be logging off until later today, if this sort of question is unacceptable on the public forum, feel free to remove it and get back to me in a PM. All attempts to evade a temporary ban (e.g. by multikeying) will result in the ban being made permanent. Playing another ckey (if they manage to change 3 other things too) is ban evading and will result in another permanent ban being made. We have never stopped people making unban requests for these bans(Provided the original ban isn't something really bad) In order to get a whole new set of ID's to login is a lot of work rather than writing up a request and working to better yourself.
Frances Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 The thing that sort of bothers me is that this isn't an issue that should take terribly long to process, and Plahunter broke probation and has been allowed to carry on for what has now been longer than the duration of the probation itself. I really am not trying to sound like a bitch. But it feels unfair for everyone.
Tainavaa Posted May 21, 2015 Author Posted May 21, 2015 That's because it is unfair to everyone. I can only hope another admin will take over. Especially since Skull asked a question and Plahunter has not responded. I'm leaning more and more towards wanting this ban reapplied.
Guest Posted May 22, 2015 Posted May 22, 2015 I haven't actually seen PLahunter on lately, the last time he was on the forums was May 8th
Frances Posted May 22, 2015 Posted May 22, 2015 I have seen him play (even yesterday). I think it's kinda shitty for everyone involved that you'd break a rule, get to keep on playing, and then end up being punished some 2-3 weeks afterwards. At the same time, I really think his behavior was unacceptable and deserves appropriate punishment.
Skull132 Posted May 22, 2015 Posted May 22, 2015 Well, he's banned now. Considering that he didn't wish to reply nor otherwise maintain contact with us on his probation and a possible violation.
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